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Cell C Sharks: Chamberlain; Kok, Venter, Tapuai, Mapimpi; Bosch, Hendrikse; Nche, Mbonambi, Sadie, Etzebeth, Grobler, Kolisi (c), Tshituka, Buthelezi.

Replacements: Jooste, N Mchunu, K Mcunhu, Andrews, Notshe, Williams, Cronhe, Van Rensburg

Harlequins: David; Murley, Marchant, Esterhuizen, Bassett; Allan, Care; Marler, Walker, Louw, Lamb, Herbst, Kenningham, Evans, Dombrandt (c)

Replacements: Head, Baxter, Kerrod, Hammond, Lawday, Gjaltema, Beard, Edwards

Interesting Quins have gone with the dual opensides for this one. That Sharks pack looks pretty huge, thought they might have opted for a physical work horse at 6 and then added extra tempo later in the game.

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:04 pm Interesting Quins have gone with the dual opensides for this one. That Sharks pack looks pretty huge, thought they might have opted for a physical work horse at 6 and then added extra tempo later in the game.

With the disintegration of baby Chis, we really don't have much choice there. Lawday is fine...but he's nowhere near Kenningham or Evans in any aspect of playing rugby.

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:04 pm Interesting Quins have gone with the dual opensides for this one. That Sharks pack looks pretty huge, thought they might have opted for a physical work horse at 6 and then added extra tempo later in the game.

Kenningham strikes me as your classic 6.75.

That Sharks pack is enormous. The tighthead Sadie is a mammoth.

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:23 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:04 pm Interesting Quins have gone with the dual opensides for this one. That Sharks pack looks pretty huge, thought they might have opted for a physical work horse at 6 and then added extra tempo later in the game.

Kenningham strikes me as your classic 6.75.

Very much like Robshaw 2.0. Kenningham is a good player he's just not the biggest, I suspect he gives away at least a stone in weight to Lawday. Bit more power early in the game then when those massive forwards start to fatigue bring on the 7 or the 6.75 to up the tempo was my thinking.

Timbo's not wrong, Saide looks as wide as he is tall.

I really rate Kenningham but not sure he’s back to where he was pre-injury. I don’t know how much that’s the injury or playing at 6. Lawday is one of those weird players that’s essentially a 6 or 7 out of 10 across the board, seems pretty unremarkable, but just has this way of gluing things together. Actually saying that it’s him that reminds me of Robshaw a bit.

Kenningham had that bit more bite to everything he was doing when he first came through, I think that’s what made me think he could go up another level.

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:55 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:23 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:04 pm Interesting Quins have gone with the dual opensides for this one. That Sharks pack looks pretty huge, thought they might have opted for a physical work horse at 6 and then added extra tempo later in the game.

Kenningham strikes me as your classic 6.75.

Very much like Robshaw 2.0. Kenningham is a good player he's just not the biggest, I suspect he gives away at least a stone in weight to Lawday. Bit more power early in the game then when those massive forwards start to fatigue bring on the 7 or the 6.75 to up the tempo was my thinking.

Timbo's not wrong, Saide looks as wide as he is tall.

Robshaw was a very good old school 6. Kenningham different physically, taller, bout the same weight (bout 17st), different styles too....he's very different to Evans.

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:44 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:55 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:23 pm

Kenningham strikes me as your classic 6.75.

Very much like Robshaw 2.0. Kenningham is a good player he's just not the biggest, I suspect he gives away at least a stone in weight to Lawday. Bit more power early in the game then when those massive forwards start to fatigue bring on the 7 or the 6.75 to up the tempo was my thinking.

Timbo's not wrong, Saide looks as wide as he is tall.

Robshaw was a very good old school 6. Kenningham different physically, taller, bout the same weight (bout 17st), different styles too....he's very different to Evans.

Robshaw played a lot at 7 for Quins and was underrated as a breakdown option. At international level he played more like an old school 6 but at club level more openside. Really was a 6.5, good versatility adapting his style to the tactics and the physicality of international rugby.

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:49 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:44 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:55 pm

Very much like Robshaw 2.0. Kenningham is a good player he's just not the biggest, I suspect he gives away at least a stone in weight to Lawday. Bit more power early in the game then when those massive forwards start to fatigue bring on the 7 or the 6.75 to up the tempo was my thinking.

Timbo's not wrong, Saide looks as wide as he is tall.

Robshaw was a very good old school 6. Kenningham different physically, taller, bout the same weight (bout 17st), different styles too....he's very different to Evans.

Robshaw played a lot at 7 for Quins and was underrated as a breakdown option. At international level he played more like an old school 6 but at club level more openside. Really was a 6.5, good versatility adapting his style to the tactics and the physicality of international rugby.

as i said, a very good 6, but not a great 7 at intl level. He and Kenningham not that similar in style tbh. Robshaw iirc played more at 6 for much of his early/mid career at Quins,,I am aware he occupied the 7 shirt- it was one of the things that came back to bite youg Eddie. I agree he became an ok versatile backrow, just thought at the top level, better suited to 6.

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:49 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:44 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 8:55 pm

Very much like Robshaw 2.0. Kenningham is a good player he's just not the biggest, I suspect he gives away at least a stone in weight to Lawday. Bit more power early in the game then when those massive forwards start to fatigue bring on the 7 or the 6.75 to up the tempo was my thinking.

Timbo's not wrong, Saide looks as wide as he is tall.

Robshaw was a very good old school 6. Kenningham different physically, taller, bout the same weight (bout 17st), different styles too....he's very different to Evans.

Robshaw played a lot at 7 for Quins and was underrated as a breakdown option. At international level he played more like an old school 6 but at club level more openside. Really was a 6.5, good versatility adapting his style to the tactics and the physicality of international rugby.

Not when he came through. Back in his scrum cap wearing days he was definitely a destructive blindside, a la Dan Lydiate. He was a lot bulkier, too. After Will Skinner started to fall apart at the seams, that's when he moved across and lost a lot of weight.

Stom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:18 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:49 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:44 pm

Robshaw was a very good old school 6. Kenningham different physically, taller, bout the same weight (bout 17st), different styles too....he's very different to Evans.

Robshaw played a lot at 7 for Quins and was underrated as a breakdown option. At international level he played more like an old school 6 but at club level more openside. Really was a 6.5, good versatility adapting his style to the tactics and the physicality of international rugby.

Not when he came through. Back in his scrum cap wearing days he was definitely a destructive blindside, a la Dan Lydiate. He was a lot bulkier, too. After Will Skinner started to fall apart at the seams, that's when he moved across and lost a lot of weight.

Fair. I'm probably thinking the 2012 sort of era where he was the breakdown threat with Fa'asivalo and Guest as the blindside options and Easter at 8.

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:50 pm

Stom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:18 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 9:49 pm

Robshaw played a lot at 7 for Quins and was underrated as a breakdown option. At international level he played more like an old school 6 but at club level more openside. Really was a 6.5, good versatility adapting his style to the tactics and the physicality of international rugby.

Not when he came through. Back in his scrum cap wearing days he was definitely a destructive blindside, a la Dan Lydiate. He was a lot bulkier, too. After Will Skinner started to fall apart at the seams, that's when he moved across and lost a lot of weight.

Fair. I'm probably thinking the 2012 sort of era where he was the breakdown threat with Fa'asivalo and Guest as the blindside options and Easter at 8.

Luke Wallace was breaking through then too...

Guest was looking very good for a time, though earlier than 2012, rapid iirc

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:57 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:50 pm

Stom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:18 pm

Not when he came through. Back in his scrum cap wearing days he was definitely a destructive blindside, a la Dan Lydiate. He was a lot bulkier, too. After Will Skinner started to fall apart at the seams, that's when he moved across and lost a lot of weight.

Fair. I'm probably thinking the 2012 sort of era where he was the breakdown threat with Fa'asivalo and Guest as the blindside options and Easter at 8.

Luke Wallace was breaking through then too...

Guest was looking very good for a time, though earlier than 2012, rapid iirc

Yeah he was big and rapid. Tipped to be the next England number 8 but injuries and not quite meeting the hype did for him sadly.

I think you're right 2012 would have been about the time of Wallace's breakthrough. Everything seemed to come together for Quins that season.

Banquo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:57 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:50 pm

Stom wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:18 pm

Not when he came through. Back in his scrum cap wearing days he was definitely a destructive blindside, a la Dan Lydiate. He was a lot bulkier, too. After Will Skinner started to fall apart at the seams, that's when he moved across and lost a lot of weight.

Fair. I'm probably thinking the 2012 sort of era where he was the breakdown threat with Fa'asivalo and Guest as the blindside options and Easter at 8.

Luke Wallace was breaking through then too...

Guest was looking very good for a time, though earlier than 2012, rapid iirc

Yeah, we had some really good young players back then. Most just never hit the heights due to injury or something else inexplicable. It was a damn fine team, one of my favourites.

Not enjoying this ref today.

Oof. Nothing kick from Murley for a very impressive SA counter attack try.

Interesting scrum battle in light of the last England game. Marler certainly not having it all his own way.

Dombrandt has become a much more impactful defender, so that’s something.

Sharks seem to be battering Quins at the breakdown. Those two cards could give Quins a way back into this one.

I'm watching leinster schooling racing. Very impressive.

twitchy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:32 pm I'm watching leinster schooling racing. Very impressive.

I was flicking between the two but it became obvious early that Racing were getting battered and weren't going to feature. Talk about laying down a marker by Leinster.

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:42 pm

twitchy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:32 pm I'm watching leinster schooling racing. Very impressive.

I was flicking between the two but it became obvious early that Racing were getting battered and weren't going to feature. Talk about laying down a marker by Leinster.

Bet Burt's feeling happy about his choices

Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:48 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:42 pm

twitchy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:32 pm I'm watching leinster schooling racing. Very impressive.

I was flicking between the two but it became obvious early that Racing were getting battered and weren't going to feature. Talk about laying down a marker by Leinster.

Bet Burt's feeling happy about his choices

Ideal for him. Might even call Racing and ask for a little bit more cash. There's plenty of talent at Racing but it's obviously not fully firing, he must be backing himself to get more out of them.

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:52 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:48 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:42 pm

I was flicking between the two but it became obvious early that Racing were getting battered and weren't going to feature. Talk about laying down a marker by Leinster.

Bet Burt's feeling happy about his choices

Ideal for him. Might even call Racing and ask for a little bit more cash. There's plenty of talent at Racing but it's obviously not fully firing, he must be backing himself to get more out of them.

what cash to spend, or more salary

Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:54 pm

FKAS wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:52 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 2:48 pm

Bet Burt's feeling happy about his choices

Ideal for him. Might even call Racing and ask for a little bit more cash. There's plenty of talent at Racing but it's obviously not fully firing, he must be backing himself to get more out of them.

what cash to spend, or more salary

maybe a bit of both.