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Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:12 pm
by Puja
Okay, what the fuck, how is the Premiership starting on Friday? Bizarre that they're launching a season inside of the Rugby World Cup and easy to forget is even happening, which explains why we've only got 2 days to make the annual predictions thread tradition of demonstrating that we don't know anything about anything.

As always, you are expected to go big and bold with predictions - if you select "Ollie Chessum for breakthrough player" then we will mock you.

I mean, you'll get mocked whatever you pick - that's how this game works - but for gods' sake don't take after Strong Ballkicking and just play it safe.


Categories are as follows:

Premiership Winner:

Table order:

European predictions - how will the English teams do?

Top try scorer:

Top points scorer:

How many teams will fold by the end of the season:

Surprise of the season:

Biggest disappointment:

Player having a breakthrough season:
I would say anyone with an international cap (WJoseph, Martin, etc) or would've been considered a 20+ game Prem starter (SAtkinson, FSmith, etc) isn't eligible here. Pick an actual newbie!

Best signing:
I find this useful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_2 ... _transfers

Best unheralded signing:

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing:

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing:


Puja

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 11:43 pm
by Puja
Premiership Winner: I have to pick Leicester. Everyone's going to pick Saracens, but a) that's boring, b) I'm genuinely hopeful about the future under McKellar, and c) Pure, one-eyed loyalty.

Table order:
Leicester
Saracens
Northampton
Bristol
Bath
Sale
Quins
Gloucester
Exeter
Newcastle

Really hard to pick anyone above Newcastle - the mid-table is so full of teams who have strengthened really well with the demise of LIrish, Wasps, Wuss. It's going to be a very competitive and high-quality league this year.

European predictions - how will the English teams do?
Slightly more sane pool structure this year (Here, if people have forgotten) and thus I'm marginally more invested in it. I'd expect 5 English qualifiers to the round of 16, but only 2 to get through to the quarter finals and 1 to the semis - let's say Saracens.

Top try scorer: Malins

Top points scorer: FSmith

How many teams will fold by the end of the season: I'm going to be optimistic and say none.

Surprise of the season: The new RFU/PRL/Marketing Bros rebrand plans are actually good and generally welcomed by fans.

Biggest disappointment: Alfie Barbeary lasts less than 5 games before another big injury.

Player having a breakthrough season: Either Olly Hartley at Wasps Saracens or Chandler Cunningham-South at Irish Harlequins.

Best signing: Tom Pearson

Best unheralded signing: Curtis Langdon

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing: Thomas du Toit

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing: Hard one this, as there's very few pointless signings this season - most sides are cutting fat rather than adding it. I was tempted to say Hatherell, because I don't get the attraction there, but a few coaches seem to rate him, so instead I'm gonna say Veainu on the basis that he's injury-prone and Sale have a lot of good back three players already.


Puja

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 9:31 am
by Gloskarlos
Premiership Winner: Tediously Saracens. Still the best squad around and no idea how they manage to pay them and keep them when every other team struggles. It is boring, yes very tedious. but it's the only prediction I have a hope of getting correct.

Table order:

Saracens
Northampton
Leicester
Sale
Bath
Gloucester
Bristol
Quins
Exeter
Newcastle

Any team 4 to 9 could end up in any position. Think most teams bar Exeter have recruited shrewdly.

European predictions - how will the English teams do?
4 English qualifiers to the round of 16, maybe 2 to get through to the quarter finals but very draw dependent (probably Tigers and Sarries) maybe one of these to the semi's but again very draw dependent. As Glos are in the tin pot cup I couldn't really care less.

Top try scorer: LRZ

Top points scorer: G Ford

How many teams will fold by the end of the season: none but Falcons rumours abound

Surprise of the season: Stinky Bellend goes 100% youth, flair and form for the entirety of the 6N and ends up keeping his job.

Biggest disappointment: Disparity in money between those that have and those that have not means Newcastle get very close to folding and there's a black cloud over a large part of the season.

Player having a breakthrough season: Jack Reeves

Best signing: Tom Pearson easily

Best unheralded signing: Afolabi Fasogbon

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing: Ravouvou, will barely feature

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing: Too hard this - will go for Postlethwaite, but that might seem harsh

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:05 am
by Epaminondas Pules
Premiership Winner: Tigers

Table order:
Northamtpon
Saracens
Tigers
Gloucester
Sale
Quins
Exeter
Bath
Bristol
Newcastle

European predictions - how will the English teams do?
2 quarter finalists

Top try scorer: OHC

Top points scorer: Fin Smith

How many teams will fold by the end of the season: None (crosses everything)

Surprise of the season: Saints sort their defence! Alfie Barbeary's fitness

Biggest disappointment: Stinky Bumflaps changes nothing post world cup!

Player having a breakthrough season: Archie Macparland / Guy Pepper.

Best signing: Tom Pearson

Best unheralded signing: Josh Bassett

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing: Joe Launchbury

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing: Finn Russell :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:39 pm
by FKAS
Premiership Winner:
I want to say Tigers (obviously) but will go Sale just to be different.

Table order:

Tigers
Sarries
Sale
Quins
Saints
Gloucester
Bristol
Bath
Chiefs
Newcastle

European predictions - how will the English teams do?
Sarries to the semis, three teams to the quarters though probably not Tigers given the pool of death we've got.

Top try scorer:
Cadan Murley

Top points scorer:
Fin Smith

How many teams will fold by the end of the season:
None

Surprise of the season:
Barbeary stays fit long enough to make his England debut

Biggest disappointment:
Owen Farrell doesn't retire, isn't retired post world cup.

Player having a breakthrough season:
Emeka Ilione at Tigers had a great pre season or Ben Redshaw at at Falcons. Haffar at Saints could be a real standout with his ball in hand ability in a Sam Vesty attack.

Best signing:
Tom Pearson

Best unheralded signing:
Will Haydon-Wood, Chiefs will go with Skinner initially and it will go terribly then the reigns will be handed over and WHW will have a good second half to the season. Dykes at Glaws could have a great season as well.

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing:
Zach Mercer, an early return to France on the cards?

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing:
Santiago Grondona, bit left field here as the easy money would have been Mike Williams at Tigers.

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:23 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Ben Redshaw is a great shout! Fresh out of school, but they really rate him. Proper talent! Looked really good in the Prem cup. Pepper was seriously good. He was so unlucky with injury last season. And Brantingham seems to be coming through now. Some very good talent at Falcons.

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:05 pm
by jimKRFC
FKAS wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:39 pm The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing:
Santiago Grondona, bit left field here as the easy money would have been Mike Williams at Tigers.
He's out for the season with an injury picked up in the world cup warm ups, so not sure if he'd count (what are the rules on this award?).

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:09 pm
by Puja
jimKRFC wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:05 pm
FKAS wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:39 pm The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing:
Santiago Grondona, bit left field here as the easy money would have been Mike Williams at Tigers.
He's out for the season with an injury picked up in the world cup warm ups, so not sure if he'd count (what are the rules on this award?).
Jerome Schuster is the award where its, "Why did they bother signing him? He barely played and was underwhelming when he did." So not against the rules to pick Grondona, but possibly a bit mean. Williams is a good shout though!

Puja

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 4:40 pm
by FKAS
Puja wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:09 pm
jimKRFC wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:05 pm
FKAS wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:39 pm The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing:
Santiago Grondona, bit left field here as the easy money would have been Mike Williams at Tigers.
He's out for the season with an injury picked up in the world cup warm ups, so not sure if he'd count (what are the rules on this award?).
Jerome Schuster is the award where its, "Why did they bother signing him? He barely played and was underwhelming when he did." So not against the rules to pick Grondona, but possibly a bit mean. Williams is a good shout though!

Puja
Ah ok, didn't realise Grondona was injured. Had completely forgotten about that. Just remembered him being quiet at Chiefs and for Argentina though that might be because he's been injured.

I'll stick with Mike Williams.

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 7:09 pm
by Tigersman
Premiership Winner: Saracens

Table order:
Leicester
Saracens
Sale
Exeter
Quins
Gloucester
Bath
Bristol
Saints
Newcastle

European predictions - how will the English teams do?
Saracens to reach the final, the rest will give a good account of themselves 3 reaching the quarter

Top try scorer: OHC

Top points scorer: F.Smith

How many teams will fold by the end of the season: 0 Prem teams

Surprise of the season: The new competition will actually be sorted and England will have 2 tiers. Also Pat Lam to get the sack mid season

Biggest disappointment: 2 Champ clubs will fold

Player having a breakthrough season:
James Williams at Bristol

Best signing:
Bernard Janse Van Resburg

Best unheralded signing:
Joe Powell - Excellent pick up and can see him taking over from Youngs past this season.

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing:
Finn Russell

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing:
I feel that since Mike WIlliams is only till November and covers two RWC players going I'm not going to pick him
I reckon Vakatawa might go the way of Robbie Fruean

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 5:16 am
by Which Tyler
At this point in time, I actually have some confidence in Bath for this season - I blame sleep-deprivation

Premiership Winner:
Saracens

Table order:
1. Saracens
2. Sale
3. Bath
4. Leicester
5. Gloucester
6. Harlequins
7. Northampton
8. Bristol
9. Exeter
10. Newcastle

EuroAfrican predictions - how will the English teams do?
Don't really care at this point, last few years of terrible format, too many non-European teams for a European competition, and too simply too many teams have killed my interest here.
So, erm... Sarries the only English team to get out of the pools stages.

Top try scorer:
Hassal-Collins

Top points scorer:
George Ford (I'm assuming he won't be missing any international matches :( )

How many teams will fold by the end of the season:
I don't like this question.
None.

Surprise of the season:
Bath

Biggest disappointment:
Newcastle's performance - rightly cutting their cloth, and just not competitive.

Player having a breakthrough season:
Sticking with Bath (really hard not to stick with your own club for this one anyway) - Sam Harris

Best signing:
Lee Blackett

Best unheralded signing:
Does Thomas du Toit count? I feel he should have been heralded, but has largely been under the radar.
ETA: I see he's also mentioned for the [redacted] award - which suggests that he has been heralded, and that I've somehow missed it.
Erm... Kyle Hatherell then

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing:
Finn Russell - I think he'll be good, but take time to bed in. The hype around him is basically impossible to live up to.
Otherwise - Cunningham-South - young but highly hyped, and I think he may struggle to fit in at Quins / suffer Second Season Syndrome. 2023-24 should be his year.

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing:
Joe Launchbury - shadow of his former self, will get a few matches based on reputation, then quietly be dropped.

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:55 am
by Scrumhead
Table order:

1. Saracens :roll:
2. Sale
3. Leicester
4. Harlequins
5. Northampton
6. Bath
7. Gloucester
8. Bristol
9. Exeter
10. Newcastle

European predictions - how will the English teams do?
2 QFs, 1 SF

Top try scorer: Murley

Top points scorer: Fin Smith

How many teams will fold by the end of the season: 1 - I’m still worried about Falcons

Surprise of the season: Barbeary re-emerges at Hooker! (I doubt it but would be nice)

Biggest disappointment: Saracens somehow maintaining their squad of internationals within the cap :|

Player having a breakthrough season: Fin Baxter

Best signing: Tom Willis

Best unheralded signing: Juan Martin Gonzalez

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing: Virimi Vakatawa

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing: Quinn Roux

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:25 am
by Which Tyler
Scrumhead wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:55 amThe [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing: Virimi Vakatawa

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing: Quinn Roux
There's brave, and then there's brave.

Not much hype around Vakatawa, given that he's coming out of retirement, without the hype, I'd question his eligibility for this award.
Quinn Roux, on the other hand, isn't a signing, and there's no question that he's ineligible for this award.

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 am
by SouthFalcon87
Premiership Winner: Saracens, probably pretty comfortably. Dull but their squad is better (paid...) than the rest.

Table order:
Saracens
Saints
Tigers
Quins
Sale
Bristol
Gloucester
Bath
Exeter
Newcastle

European predictions - how will the English teams do?
2-3 reach quarters, none make semis.

Top try scorer: OH-C

Top points scorer: MacGinty

How many teams will fold by the end of the season: 0, and with no rumours.

Surprise of the season: Newcastle being closer to 9th than expected and making Exeter a bit nervous.

Biggest disappointment: Zero real steps forward in marketing the game and Premiership Final tickets remain stupidly expensive leading to another drop in attendance. That and Farrell remains captain and starting for the 6N.

Player having a breakthrough season:
Guy Pepper. Before he broke his foot last season he was sensational, and I wouldn't be surprised if he's an England call up for the 6N

Best signing:
Tom Pearson

Best unheralded signing: Benhard Janse van Rensburg

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing: Finn Russell (he will have some fun highlights and BTNT will worship him because he plays for Bath, but his actual impact on Bath's results will be minimal).

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing: Will Haydon-Wood. No actual reason but I'm a bitter Falcons fan and we won't be forgiving him quickly.

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:41 am
by Which Tyler
SouthFalcon87 wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 amBest unheralded signing: Benhard Janse van Rensburg


Oooh - good call - wish I'd thought of that one

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:34 pm
by switchskier
Premiership Winner: There's no mileage in picking Sarries or Leicester do I'm going out on a limb and saying that, with some smart recruitment and Smith at the helm, Northampton finally pull it all together.

Table order:
Saracens
Leicester
Bath
Northampton
Bristol
Gloucester
Quins
Sale
Exeter
Newcastle

More confident about Newcastle in last than anything. 3-9 really could be in any order.

European predictions - how will the English teams do?
1 in the semis, probably Sarries, but overall domination by French teams and Lenister.

Top try scorer: Freeman

Top points scorer: FSmith

How many teams will fold by the end of the season: Who knows. Let's say one and it throws the cat amongst the pigeons.

Surprise of the season: I should probably say Saints win it all, given my other predictions

Biggest disappointment: Gloucester start the season on fire but their form collapses around Christmas.

Player having a breakthrough season: Does Carpenter at Sale still count? I can see him in the England shirt by the end of the season.

Best signing: Finn Russell will justify the price tag.

Best unheralded signing: Ben Donnell at Gloucester or Joe Hawkins at Exeter.

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing: Cowan-Dickie at Sale. Think he might be done and if the physicality is even a touch less than he offers very little above their other options.

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing:
Gareth Simpson at Sarries - why did they bother?

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 4:35 pm
by Puja
switchskier wrote: Fri Oct 13, 2023 3:34 pm Player having a breakthrough season: Does Carpenter at Sale still count? I can see him in the England shirt by the end of the season.
It feels like he shouldn't given how quickly he became a quality regular last season, but a quick google says he's only ever played 19 games for Sale (and a chunk of those off the bench), so he is still eligible by my guidelines!

Puja

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Fri Oct 13, 2023 7:10 pm
by Stom
Premiership Winner: Quins

Table order:

Leicester
Saracens
Quins
Bath
Northampton
Glos
Sale
Bristol
Exeter
Newcastle

European predictions - how will the English teams do?
One semi, probably Sarries - my one boring answer

Top try scorer:
Murley

Top points scorer:
MSmith

How many teams will fold by the end of the season:
None, though Newcastle will flirt with disaster

Surprise of the season:
Bath get their act together and are actually really good suddenly.

Biggest disappointment:
Europe, where we're collectively crap.

Player having a breakthrough season:
Finn Baxter comes of age.

Best signing:
TWillis absolutely thrives at Sarries.

Best unheralded signing:
Finding this really hard, as all the LI signings have pretty much become 'heralded'...so I'll go back to Quins again and say Dillon Lewis.

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing:
LCD and/or Creevy at Sale.

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing:
No idea, sorry. I'm so out of touch...

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Mon Oct 16, 2023 11:59 am
by Puja
Locking this post in a few days so no-one gets the temptation to edit any of their posts, so if anyone wants to make a last-minute late prediction, now's your time!

Puja

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:30 am
by Puja
Welp, it's our regular annual visit to see all the things that we now know that we do not know.


Premiership Winner:
Some very iffy predicting skills here. Lots of votes for 4th-placed semi-final losers Saracens (often with complaining that they were the "obvious" choice because they were so much better than the rest), a fair few for 8th-placed Leicester (what idiot would say that?!), one optimistic Quins nomination, but we did get one person head and shoulders above the rest, and that was Switchskier who picked Saints out of nowhere.

Table order:
Everyone had faith in Leicester and everyone was disappointed, so picking Leicester too high was almost a free space in this one for people. However, a special mention goes to Epaminondas Pules, who managed to be the only person to put Northampton top only to ruin it by picking both Leicester and **Gloucester** to make the top 4!

Gloskarlos is the winner here - they may have screwed up the winner by picking Saracens (and saying "It is boring, yes very tedious. but it's the only prediction I have a hope of getting correct"!), but they got the table order closest, by picking the actual top 4 in their top 5. Gloucester was too high for them in 6th, but I'll allow a little bit of club bias.

European predictions - how will the English teams do?
Lots of "Saracens to the semi-finals/finals" predictions - we really did think they were gonna do well this season, huh? Overall we were more pessimistic - only Tigersman and FKAS picked three English teams in the quarters and no-one picked us having two teams in the semis.

Top try scorer:
Dire effort from us all. Which, Tigersman, and EP got closest with OHC scoring 8 tries, but I don't think deserve any praise considering he was 5th and scored just over half as many tries as the actual top scorer - Ollie Sleightholme, who no-one mentioned anywhere in this thread for any category!

Top points scorer:
I GOT ONE RIGHT!!!! Fin Smith top scorer (only beating out the other Finn by 2 points in the end!). The fact that I shared this prediction with 5 other people in no way invalidates that I am a predictions god and you should all worship me.

How many teams will fold by the end of the season:
Thankfully, the majority pick of "Zero" came true, although a few mentions of Newcastle flirting with it I think have merit.

Surprise of the season:
Some good answers here. Switch is cheating by doubling up on Northampton to win, Scrumhead may have been wrong with "Barbeary re-emerges at Hooker" but the board debate about it re-emerged, so that's close. EP picked "Saints sort their defence", but I think the award for this one has to go to Stom and Which, who picked Bath to "get their act together and are actually really good suddenly."

Special mentions to Tigersman and myself who naively had faith that the Prem/Prem2 would actually be sorted like the marketing boys said it would. We should really have learned by now.

Biggest disappointment:
Disproven pessimism for FKAS thinking Farrell wouldn't retire from England duty, EP thinking "Stinky Bumflaps changes nothing post world cup!", and SouthFalcon thinking that the Premiership final marketing would be screwed up and there'd be another drop in attendance. Thankfully none of those came to pass.

Joint award for pessimism to the rhyming duo of Switch: "Gloucester start the season on fire but their form collapses around Christmas" (although "on fire" might be a stretch), and Which: "Newcastle's performance - rightly cutting their cloth, and just not competitive."

Player having a breakthrough season:
No-one even thought about Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, who I'd say was the correct answer here in coming from absolutely nowhere to 2nd top try-scorer and nailing down an England shirt, but that's fair enough considering we'd probably just dismissed him as some Welsh bloke.

Instead, the top prize goes to a joint effort from me (!) for Cunningham-South and Scrumhead and Stom for Fin Baxter, both of whom will be touring with England in the summer.

Best signing:
A lot of picks for Pearson here, but he was nowhere near as impactful for Saints as people had hoped. Overall, I have to say I think Switchskier was right in Finn Russell justifying the price tag - came with a lot of hype, but in terms of individual impact on his club, you'd have to say he lived up to it.

Best unheralded signing:
I'm giving myself marks for picking Curtis Langdon here, but I should probably immediately take them away for picking Thomas du Toit as the [Redacted] :(.
Scrumhead's Juan Martin Gonzalez call was good in terms of impact, but I'm not sure about an experienced international as unheralded?
SouthFalcon picking BJvR is probably the best call here. I think anyone who'd played TRM's fantasy game heralded him, but outside of us nerds, he certainly went under the radar.

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing:
Lots of people went for Russell here, but Which went hard in being wrong by picking both Russell and CCS. I picked TdT here, mostly because I was tickled at him being described as "RWC Winner Thomas du Toit" in press-releases on his signing (given he played a game off the bench against Namibia in 2019, IIRC), and was proven very wrong by him having a storming season.

I don't know there's a clear winner here. Launchbury, Vakatawa, and LCD seem like candidates, but they did play 10+ games for their new teams and did solidly okay. Gloskarlos picked Ravouvou and was right that he barely featured, but I don't remember hype for him.

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing:
SouthFalcon's petty selection of Will Haydon-Wood called to me and I'm going to have to give it to them. Despite competing with Harvey Skinner, whom I think the board considers the worst starting 10 in the league, he achieved no Premiership starts, fifteen times in the 22 shirt, of which five of them he took it back off again with no need for it to go through the wash, and another five were 12 minutes or less.


Overall, it's Switch who walks away with the title - picking Northampton to win, getting generally solid on the table order, and being the only person to have faith in Finn Russell. I would say "Good game" to the rest of you but, let's be honest - it'd be a lie cause we're (as always) a complete shambles at predicting things and should really learn never to do it ever again.

So, see you all back in again for next season's thread, yeah?

Puja

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:36 pm
by Which Tyler
Puja wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:30 am Best signing:
A lot of picks for Pearson here, but he was nowhere near as impactful for Saints as people had hoped. Overall, I have to say I think Switchskier was right in Finn Russell justifying the price tag - came with a lot of hype, but in terms of individual impact on his club, you'd have to say he lived up to it.
I still feel justified in my nomination of Lee Blackett playing a huge part in Bath's transformation.

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:51 pm
by Puja
Which Tyler wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 12:36 pm
Puja wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:30 am Best signing:
A lot of picks for Pearson here, but he was nowhere near as impactful for Saints as people had hoped. Overall, I have to say I think Switchskier was right in Finn Russell justifying the price tag - came with a lot of hype, but in terms of individual impact on his club, you'd have to say he lived up to it.
I still feel justified in my nomination of Lee Blackett playing a huge part in Bath's transformation.
Fair point - I meant to mention you in dispatches, but then forgot all about it! If we're picking coaches though, probably Radford's been the most influential signing.

Puja

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:21 pm
by FKAS
Jeez talk about being nowhere close on this one.

"Best unheralded signing:
Will Haydon-Wood, Chiefs will go with Skinner initially and it will go terribly then the reigns will be handed over and WHW will have a good second half to the season. Dykes at Glaws could have a great season as well."

I did get Fin Smith as top scorer though and some optimism over our Euro abilities did pay off.

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:34 pm
by Puja
FKAS wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:21 pm Jeez talk about being nowhere close on this one.

"Best unheralded signing:
Will Haydon-Wood, Chiefs will go with Skinner initially and it will go terribly then the reigns will be handed over and WHW will have a good second half to the season. Dykes at Glaws could have a great season as well."

I did get Fin Smith as top scorer though and some optimism over our Euro abilities did pay off.
Happens to the best of us! Also happens to me too

Puja

Re: Premiership Predictions Thread: 2023/24 Edition

Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:48 pm
by Scrumhead
Puja wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 11:30 am Welp, it's our regular annual visit to see all the things that we now know that we do not know.


Premiership Winner:
Some very iffy predicting skills here. Lots of votes for 4th-placed semi-final losers Saracens (often with complaining that they were the "obvious" choice because they were so much better than the rest), a fair few for 8th-placed Leicester (what idiot would say that?!), one optimistic Quins nomination, but we did get one person head and shoulders above the rest, and that was Switchskier who picked Saints out of nowhere.

Table order:
Everyone had faith in Leicester and everyone was disappointed, so picking Leicester too high was almost a free space in this one for people. However, a special mention goes to Epaminondas Pules, who managed to be the only person to put Northampton top only to ruin it by picking both Leicester and **Gloucester** to make the top 4!

Gloskarlos is the winner here - they may have screwed up the winner by picking Saracens (and saying "It is boring, yes very tedious. but it's the only prediction I have a hope of getting correct"!), but they got the table order closest, by picking the actual top 4 in their top 5. Gloucester was too high for them in 6th, but I'll allow a little bit of club bias.

European predictions - how will the English teams do?
Lots of "Saracens to the semi-finals/finals" predictions - we really did think they were gonna do well this season, huh? Overall we were more pessimistic - only Tigersman and FKAS picked three English teams in the quarters and no-one picked us having two teams in the semis.

Top try scorer:
Dire effort from us all. Which, Tigersman, and EP got closest with OHC scoring 8 tries, but I don't think deserve any praise considering he was 5th and scored just over half as many tries as the actual top scorer - Ollie Sleightholme, who no-one mentioned anywhere in this thread for any category!

Top points scorer:
I GOT ONE RIGHT!!!! Fin Smith top scorer (only beating out the other Finn by 2 points in the end!). The fact that I shared this prediction with 5 other people in no way invalidates that I am a predictions god and you should all worship me.

How many teams will fold by the end of the season:
Thankfully, the majority pick of "Zero" came true, although a few mentions of Newcastle flirting with it I think have merit.

Surprise of the season:
Some good answers here. Switch is cheating by doubling up on Northampton to win, Scrumhead may have been wrong with "Barbeary re-emerges at Hooker" but the board debate about it re-emerged, so that's close. EP picked "Saints sort their defence", but I think the award for this one has to go to Stom and Which, who picked Bath to "get their act together and are actually really good suddenly."

Special mentions to Tigersman and myself who naively had faith that the Prem/Prem2 would actually be sorted like the marketing boys said it would. We should really have learned by now.

Biggest disappointment:
Disproven pessimism for FKAS thinking Farrell wouldn't retire from England duty, EP thinking "Stinky Bumflaps changes nothing post world cup!", and SouthFalcon thinking that the Premiership final marketing would be screwed up and there'd be another drop in attendance. Thankfully none of those came to pass.

Joint award for pessimism to the rhyming duo of Switch: "Gloucester start the season on fire but their form collapses around Christmas" (although "on fire" might be a stretch), and Which: "Newcastle's performance - rightly cutting their cloth, and just not competitive."

Player having a breakthrough season:
No-one even thought about Immanuel Feyi-Waboso, who I'd say was the correct answer here in coming from absolutely nowhere to 2nd top try-scorer and nailing down an England shirt, but that's fair enough considering we'd probably just dismissed him as some Welsh bloke.

Instead, the top prize goes to a joint effort from me (!) for Cunningham-South and Scrumhead and Stom for Fin Baxter, both of whom will be touring with England in the summer.

Best signing:
A lot of picks for Pearson here, but he was nowhere near as impactful for Saints as people had hoped. Overall, I have to say I think Switchskier was right in Finn Russell justifying the price tag - came with a lot of hype, but in terms of individual impact on his club, you'd have to say he lived up to it.

Best unheralded signing:
I'm giving myself marks for picking Curtis Langdon here, but I should probably immediately take them away for picking Thomas du Toit as the [Redacted] :(.
Scrumhead's Juan Martin Gonzalez call was good in terms of impact, but I'm not sure about an experienced international as unheralded?
SouthFalcon picking BJvR is probably the best call here. I think anyone who'd played TRM's fantasy game heralded him, but outside of us nerds, he certainly went under the radar.

The [Redacted] Award for lowest performance to hype ratio from a new signing:
Lots of people went for Russell here, but Which went hard in being wrong by picking both Russell and CCS. I picked TdT here, mostly because I was tickled at him being described as "RWC Winner Thomas du Toit" in press-releases on his signing (given he played a game off the bench against Namibia in 2019, IIRC), and was proven very wrong by him having a storming season.

I don't know there's a clear winner here. Launchbury, Vakatawa, and LCD seem like candidates, but they did play 10+ games for their new teams and did solidly okay. Gloskarlos picked Ravouvou and was right that he barely featured, but I don't remember hype for him.

The Jerome Schuster Award for most valueless signing:
SouthFalcon's petty selection of Will Haydon-Wood called to me and I'm going to have to give it to them. Despite competing with Harvey Skinner, whom I think the board considers the worst starting 10 in the league, he achieved no Premiership starts, fifteen times in the 22 shirt, of which five of them he took it back off again with no need for it to go through the wash, and another five were 12 minutes or less.


Overall, it's Switch who walks away with the title - picking Northampton to win, getting generally solid on the table order, and being the only person to have faith in Finn Russell. I would say "Good game" to the rest of you but, let's be honest - it'd be a lie cause we're (as always) a complete shambles at predicting things and should really learn never to do it ever again.

So, see you all back in again for next season's thread, yeah?

Puja
Excellent roundup - almost as good as a minute-by-minute.