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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-no ... e-36983852

No doubt it pushes the agenda into the headlines, but can't help but think they won't get a lot of public support we these sort of stunts.

Why are they protesting in this country?

Numbers wrote:Why are they protesting in this country?

While there's no comparison on the police shooting front, blacks in Britain are actually incarcerated at a higher rate, proportionally, than are their counterparts in the US - around 15% though they only represent 2.2% of the population, compared to 45% for African-Americans though they only represent 12% of the population. So the incarceration rate of blacks in Britain is actually more than twice as high, in proportion to the population. Incidentally, I mentioned the figures for native Australians and New Zealanders the other day, with the former making up 27% of the prison population despite only comprising 2% of the population (if any country was in need of a 'Black Lives Matter movement...) and the latter at just over 50% though only around 12% of the population.

rowan wrote:

Numbers wrote:Why are they protesting in this country?

While there's no comparison on the police shooting front, blacks in Britain are actually incarcerated at a higher rate, proportionally, than are their counterparts in the US - around 15% though they only represent 2.2% of the population, compared to 45% for African-Americans though they only represent 12% of the population. So the incarceration rate of blacks in Britain is actually more than twice as high, in proportion to the population. Incidentally, I mentioned the figures for native Australians and New Zealanders the other day, with the former making up 27% of the prison population despite only comprising 2% of the population (if any country was in need of a 'Black Lives Matter movement...) and the latter at just over 50% though only around 12% of the population.

It could be perhaps that proportionally they commit more crime?

Why do you think that might be, Bruce? Is it because they are rooted to the bottom of the socio-economic scale, oppressed, downtrodden and discriminated against? Or were they just born evil because of the color of their skin?

rowan wrote:Why do you think that might be, Bruce? Is it because they are rooted to the bottom of the socio-economic scale, oppressed, downtrodden and discriminated against? Or were they just born evil because of the color of their skin?

Don't know you tell me. I was simply providing a response to your statement on incarceration rates which seemed to allude to some conspiracy within the justice systems. Which may or may not be the case, but a simpler answer would be that these groups commit more crime (proportionally). If you were highlighting that the increase in rates was an indicator to other discriminatory factors, then you should have made it more clear.

No, I was asking you, Bruce. It was a genuine question with a question mark on the end of it and all. I'm actually interested in your view on that. I know the prevalent view outside of the redneck belt in southern America is that crime statistics relate directly to socio-economics, oppression and discrimination, but I wondered whether you personally agreed with that. If so, these seems fairly damning of the societies concerned, wouldn't you say? Which is the point of the Black Lives Matter movements.

Already stated I don't pretend to know. The argument that there is link between crime rates and socio-economic, oppression, discrimination etc, has merit, but I'm not sure this is the whole reasoning behind it. There are other groups that endure the same issues but don't have the same disproportionate crime/incarceration rates.

bruce wrote:

rowan wrote:Why do you think that might be, Bruce? Is it because they are rooted to the bottom of the socio-economic scale, oppressed, downtrodden and discriminated against? Or were they just born evil because of the color of their skin?

Don't know you tell me. I was simply providing a response to your statement on incarceration rates which seemed to allude to some conspiracy within the justice systems. Which may or may not be the case, but a simpler answer would be that these groups commit more crime (proportionally). If you were highlighting that the increase in rates was an indicator to other discriminatory factors, then you should have made it more clear.

The simple fact is that the world over, the non-white sector of countries get the rough end of the pineapple time and time again. Stop stirring shit.

bruce wrote:Already stated I don't pretend to know. The argument that there is link between crime rates and socio-economic, oppression, discrimination etc, has merit, but I'm not sure this is the whole reasoning behind it. There are other groups that endure the same issues but don't have the same disproportionate crime/incarceration rates.

I expect that you won't find that at all. Happy to be proved wrong but I can't imagine an example that you could make fit.

canta_brian wrote:

bruce wrote:Already stated I don't pretend to know. The argument that there is link between crime rates and socio-economic, oppression, discrimination etc, has merit, but I'm not sure this is the whole reasoning behind it. There are other groups that endure the same issues but don't have the same disproportionate crime/incarceration rates.

I expect that you won't find that at all. Happy to be proved wrong but I can't imagine an example that you could make fit.

British Asians - (approx. figures may be slightly out of date) make up 7% of the country population but only 6% of the prison population.

bruce wrote:

canta_brian wrote:

bruce wrote:Already stated I don't pretend to know. The argument that there is link between crime rates and socio-economic, oppression, discrimination etc, has merit, but I'm not sure this is the whole reasoning behind it. There are other groups that endure the same issues but don't have the same disproportionate crime/incarceration rates.

I expect that you won't find that at all. Happy to be proved wrong but I can't imagine an example that you could make fit.

British Asians - (approx. figures may be slightly out of date) make up 7% of the country population but only 6% of the prison population.

And the figures that show they live in similar levels of socio-economic deprivation? Maybe you could look at university places for British Asians compared with blacks and reflect on your statement

canta_brian wrote:

bruce wrote:

canta_brian wrote:
I expect that you won't find that at all. Happy to be proved wrong but I can't imagine an example that you could make fit.

British Asians - (approx. figures may be slightly out of date) make up 7% of the country population but only 6% of the prison population.

And the figures that show they live in similar levels of socio-economic deprivation? Maybe you could look at university places for British Asians compared with blacks and reflect on your statement

http://www.poverty.org.uk/06/index.shtml

Again probably a little bit out of date, but proportionally more British Asians live in low income households than British Blacks.

rowan wrote:

Numbers wrote:Why are they protesting in this country?

While there's no comparison on the police shooting front, blacks in Britain are actually incarcerated at a higher rate, proportionally, than are their counterparts in the US - around 15% though they only represent 2.2% of the population, compared to 45% for African-Americans though they only represent 12% of the population. So the incarceration rate of blacks in Britain is actually more than twice as high, in proportion to the population. Incidentally, I mentioned the figures for native Australians and New Zealanders the other day, with the former making up 27% of the prison population despite only comprising 2% of the population (if any country was in need of a 'Black Lives Matter movement...) and the latter at just over 50% though only around 12% of the population.

I wouldn't disagree with that at all, the point I was trying to make is that the Black Lives Matter campaign is an American campaign about black people being killed by cops, this seems like some half @rsed bandwagonning to me.

Numbers wrote:

rowan wrote:

Numbers wrote:Why are they protesting in this country?

While there's no comparison on the police shooting front, blacks in Britain are actually incarcerated at a higher rate, proportionally, than are their counterparts in the US - around 15% though they only represent 2.2% of the population, compared to 45% for African-Americans though they only represent 12% of the population. So the incarceration rate of blacks in Britain is actually more than twice as high, in proportion to the population. Incidentally, I mentioned the figures for native Australians and New Zealanders the other day, with the former making up 27% of the prison population despite only comprising 2% of the population (if any country was in need of a 'Black Lives Matter movement...) and the latter at just over 50% though only around 12% of the population.

I wouldn't disagree with that at all, the point I was trying to make is that the Black Lives Matter campaign is an American campaign about black people being killed by cops, this seems like some half @rsed bandwagonning to me.

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Numbers wrote:

rowan wrote:
While there's no comparison on the police shooting front, blacks in Britain are actually incarcerated at a higher rate, proportionally, than are their counterparts in the US - around 15% though they only represent 2.2% of the population, compared to 45% for African-Americans though they only represent 12% of the population. So the incarceration rate of blacks in Britain is actually more than twice as high, in proportion to the population. Incidentally, I mentioned the figures for native Australians and New Zealanders the other day, with the former making up 27% of the prison population despite only comprising 2% of the population (if any country was in need of a 'Black Lives Matter movement...) and the latter at just over 50% though only around 12% of the population.

I wouldn't disagree with that at all, the point I was trying to make is that the Black Lives Matter campaign is an American campaign about black people being killed by cops, this seems like some half @rsed bandwagonning to me.

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Donny osmond wrote:

Numbers wrote:
I wouldn't disagree with that at all, the point I was trying to make is that the Black Lives Matter campaign is an American campaign about black people being killed by cops, this seems like some half @rsed bandwagonning to me.

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Len wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:

Len wrote:
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Can you get rid of the signature then?

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Fixed that for you.

Numbers wrote:

rowan wrote:

Numbers wrote:Why are they protesting in this country?

While there's no comparison on the police shooting front, blacks in Britain are actually incarcerated at a higher rate, proportionally, than are their counterparts in the US - around 15% though they only represent 2.2% of the population, compared to 45% for African-Americans though they only represent 12% of the population. So the incarceration rate of blacks in Britain is actually more than twice as high, in proportion to the population. Incidentally, I mentioned the figures for native Australians and New Zealanders the other day, with the former making up 27% of the prison population despite only comprising 2% of the population (if any country was in need of a 'Black Lives Matter movement...) and the latter at just over 50% though only around 12% of the population.

I wouldn't disagree with that at all, the point I was trying to make is that the Black Lives Matter campaign is an American campaign about black people being killed by cops, this seems like some half @rsed bandwagonning to me.

This. It actually makes me angry that they belittle people being murdered by police officers by trying to appropriate that pain to make their point.

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Fixed that for you.

Though people had forgotten about that nonsense.

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Numbers wrote:

Len wrote:
Can you get rid of the signature then?

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Fixed that for you.

Though people had forgotten about that nonsense.

You wish Jeremy

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