RugbyRebels

Difficult one..
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 90176.html

Christ. Be it the result of abuse or mental illness, that child will grow up a monster

Fecking hell! That is horrific and this daft woman needs to prevented from bringing any more children into this world. The 3 year old would also be much better off somewhere else - even foster care would be an improvement.

You can't blame a 6 year old, he shouldn't have been left unsupervised. It can be difficult going to shops with young kids, but taking them in beats the alternatives.

I don't know how you stop that 6 year old from growing up to be a monster; it will need a lot of love and care and probably good luck.

"The things that he said and his awareness level and how astute that he is, it's amazing really. By hearing him talk you'd never think the kid was six". uh-huh.

Kids that are old beyond their years can be very frightening. I pride myself on being pretty good with kids but this is one of the things in life that sets off my Spidey senses to defcon M'thfker.

Where does Darwin come in to it? Too late, surely? What an horrific story.

What we really need is a psychopathic test we can administer to primary school children.
It cannot be that difficult to create a non invasive, simple test.

kk67 wrote:What we really need is a psychopathic test we can administer to primary school children.
It cannot be that difficult to create a non invasive, simple test.

As ever, I don't really understand what you're getting at. Is that a response to this case? Is that kid psychopathic? Would the idiot mother behave differently if he'd been assessed as such?

Hang fire the mum is 62, and the kids are that young! Even at 6 the little 5hit should know some semblance of right from wrong, and is not blameless.

Sandydragon wrote:Fecking hell! That is horrific and this daft woman needs to prevented from bringing any more children into this world. The 3 year old would also be much better off somewhere else - even foster care would be an improvement.

You can't blame a 6 year old, he shouldn't have been left unsupervised. It can be difficult going to shops with young kids, but taking them in beats the alternatives.

I don't know how you stop that 6 year old from growing up to be a monster; it will need a lot of love and care and probably good luck.

How many 6 year olds do you know that would be likely to bludgeon a baby to death?

Mikey Brown wrote:

kk67 wrote:What we really need is a psychopathic test we can administer to primary school children.
It cannot be that difficult to create a non invasive, simple test.

As ever, I don't really understand what you're getting at. Is that a response to this case? Is that kid psychopathic? Would the idiot mother behave differently if he'd been assessed as such?

I think a psychopathic test might rule out some troublesome idiots.
This is becoming very dangerous...we are overrun by pricks that will pull any stunt to make money.

Mikey Brown wrote:Where does Darwin come in to it? Too late, surely? What an horrific story.

The reference was a mixture of the species evolving to a position of an elderley woman producing offspring from artificial insemination with the intent to raise them alone, not being equipped to do so, resulting in (nature or nurture) a child some might say, not likely to thrive and produce healthy offspring of his own.This appears an extreme but not unique case of social maladjustment.

morepork wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Fecking hell! That is horrific and this daft woman needs to prevented from bringing any more children into this world. The 3 year old would also be much better off somewhere else - even foster care would be an improvement.

You can't blame a 6 year old, he shouldn't have been left unsupervised. It can be difficult going to shops with young kids, but taking them in beats the alternatives.

I don't know how you stop that 6 year old from growing up to be a monster; it will need a lot of love and care and probably good luck.

How many 6 year olds do you know that would be likely to bludgeon a baby to death?

I've yet to meet any. I've also yet to meet a mother so irresponsible that she would leave three small children alone so long.

In fairness, if the child has anger issues, and it sounds from the neighbours testimony that he does, again I largely blame the mother. At six he is still too young to fully appreciate his actions.

Sandydragon wrote:

morepork wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:Fecking hell! That is horrific and this daft woman needs to prevented from bringing any more children into this world. The 3 year old would also be much better off somewhere else - even foster care would be an improvement.

You can't blame a 6 year old, he shouldn't have been left unsupervised. It can be difficult going to shops with young kids, but taking them in beats the alternatives.

I don't know how you stop that 6 year old from growing up to be a monster; it will need a lot of love and care and probably good luck.

How many 6 year olds do you know that would be likely to bludgeon a baby to death?

I've yet to meet any. I've also yet to meet a mother so irresponsible that she would leave three small children alone so long.

In fairness, if the child has anger issues, and it sounds from the neighbours testimony that he does, again I largely blame the mother. At six he is still too young to fully appreciate his actions.

I don't think he is. It's a big, red, text book flag.

morepork wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

morepork wrote:

How many 6 year olds do you know that would be likely to bludgeon a baby to death?

I've yet to meet any. I've also yet to meet a mother so irresponsible that she would leave three small children alone so long.

In fairness, if the child has anger issues, and it sounds from the neighbours testimony that he does, again I largely blame the mother. At six he is still too young to fully appreciate his actions.

I don't think he is. It's a big, red, text book flag.

If by flag you mean he needs to be taken into responsible care then I totally agree. At that age, he can still be taught how to be a normal person.

You can't "teach" away mental illness. It's a medical condition.

Got to love the Internet. From one article a 6 year old bairn has been diagnosed as a mentally ill psychopath.

OptimisticJock wrote:Got to love the Internet. From one article a 6 year old bairn has been diagnosed as a mentally ill psychopath.

Indeed. Condemned for life, which is interesting considering the age of maturity the is normally applied to children for criminal activity.

The same criticism can be leveled at you two. I know you are on the ground with mental illness jock. There is an abundance of precedent for infant and juvenile patterns of this nature being associated with adult bad shit. But hey, give the boy some tough love and hope he doesn't beat and kill his way through life.

Sandydragon wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:Got to love the Internet. From one article a 6 year old bairn has been diagnosed as a mentally ill psychopath.

Indeed. Condemned for life, which is interesting considering the age of maturity the is normally applied to children for criminal activity.

By the way, you don't consider mental illness largely a product of abnormal development? Ever been in the room with a severely autistic kid (diagnosed all authentic like)?

Are you suggesting ASD is a mental illness?

Thank christ even we have a criminal age of responsibility set at 10. The "Oh he must have known what he was doing" brigade love a case like this.

OptimisticJock wrote:Are you suggesting ASD is a mental illness?

No. It's a neurodevelopmental disorder that hits behavioural and cognitive pathways implicated in mental illness. Point being it is a diagnostic index for the classification of abnormal behaviour with patterns of heritability and linkage to specific loci and putative biological markers (eg. abnormal levels of inhibitory neurotransmitters, abnormalities in brain glucose metabolism). i.e. not easy to "teach" out of a child.

morepork wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:Are you suggesting ASD is a mental illness?

No. It's a neurodevelopmental disorder that hits behavioural and cognitive pathways implicated in mental illness. Point being it is a diagnostic index for the classification of abnormal behaviour with patterns of heritability and linkage to specific loci and putative biological markers (eg. abnormal levels of inhibitory neurotransmitters, abnormalities in brain glucose metabolism). i.e. not easy to "teach" out of a child.

I know what it is but your previous post was suggesting (to me at least) you were.

OptimisticJock wrote:

morepork wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:Are you suggesting ASD is a mental illness?

No. It's a neurodevelopmental disorder that hits behavioural and cognitive pathways implicated in mental illness. Point being it is a diagnostic index for the classification of abnormal behaviour with patterns of heritability and linkage to specific loci and putative biological markers (eg. abnormal levels of inhibitory neurotransmitters, abnormalities in brain glucose metabolism). i.e. not easy to "teach" out of a child.

I know what it is but your previous post was suggesting (to me at least) you were.

Fair enough. Let's settle on "biological basis for abnormal behaviour outside the influence of normal control".

Well now, I think that the 3 year old should be sold on the open market in order to generate the costs of euthenising the mother and the 6 year old.