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Adam_P · Post by **Adam_P** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:28 am

Tigersman wrote:
fivepointer wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/ ... on-saints/

Mike ford on temp basis until end of season maybe?
If Mike Ford goes he will stay IMO.

He will slowly over the season weed himself into the board and then get given it full time.

Exactly my thoughts, not keen on that idea at all. Although it wouldn't surprise me from the Saints board.

Digby · Post by **Digby** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:35 am

I think Mike Ford a pretty decent coach who has shown some significant issues in leadership, whether he's learnt from mistakes I've no idea so he'd be a punt. I'm also a little surprised the board seem surprised at their actions, why haven't they already lined someone up?

Peej · Post by **Peej** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:36 am

But who would Ford undermine and stab in the back to get the full time job if he's appointed straight into it? That pretty much wipes out the first three months of his "How to coach" plan

Post by **Puja** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:46 am

Tigersman wrote:
fivepointer wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/ ... on-saints/

Mike ford on temp basis until end of season maybe?
If Mike Ford goes he will stay IMO.

He will slowly over the season weed himself into the board and then get given it full time.

Ah, but the thing is that Mike Ford's already made a commitment to building Dallas in the MLR for a 2019 entry. There's no way that he'd renege on a contract or stoop to dirty deali... I'm sorry, I really thought I could get through that with a straight face.

Puja

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:50 am

Digby wrote:I think Mike Ford a pretty decent coach who has shown some significant issues in leadership, whether he's learnt from mistakes I've no idea so he'd be a punt. I'm also a little surprised the board seem surprised at their actions, why haven't they already lined someone up?

He was an eminence grise for England, I always thought; the defensive record was actually pretty strong, but it came at some cost.

Digby · Post by **Digby** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 9:59 am

Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:I think Mike Ford a pretty decent coach who has shown some significant issues in leadership, whether he's learnt from mistakes I've no idea so he'd be a punt. I'm also a little surprised the board seem surprised at their actions, why haven't they already lined someone up?
He was an eminence grise for England, I always thought; the defensive record was actually pretty strong, but it came at some cost.

I don't know if he was for England, I never had the impression he wanted to take on Johnno, it's maybe the one time I would say he hasn't been that.

And he is interesting in the way he sets a team up, in defence and in attack. It'd be much easier to make a call on him if we knew what on earth happened with Burgess, though for all the talk he'll knife others in the back he's stayed pretty much as quiet as everyone else involved in the Burgess saga in the hope if they all saying nothing it'll all be forgotten about, or indeed forgot about to keep some people happy.

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:16 am

Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:I think Mike Ford a pretty decent coach who has shown some significant issues in leadership, whether he's learnt from mistakes I've no idea so he'd be a punt. I'm also a little surprised the board seem surprised at their actions, why haven't they already lined someone up?
He was an eminence grise for England, I always thought; the defensive record was actually pretty strong, but it came at some cost.
I don't know if he was for England, I never had the impression he wanted to take on Johnno, it's maybe the one time I would say he hasn't been that.

And he is interesting in the way he sets a team up, in defence and in attack. It'd be much easier to make a call on him if we knew what on earth happened with Burgess, though for all the talk he'll knife others in the back he's stayed pretty much as quiet as everyone else involved in the Burgess saga in the hope if they all saying nothing it'll all be forgotten about, or indeed forgot about to keep some people happy.

He pre-dated Jonno don't forget- was in post for 2 years prior, when our rugby was totally desperate with him and Wells being uber conservative; admittedly they got to the final under Ashton in 2007, but it was leaden stuff. No sure anyone was challenging Jonno, which made his appointment double odd- no experience, and no-one with the cajonas to challenge and develop him.

Digby · Post by **Digby** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:18 am

Banquo wrote: He pre-dated Jonno don't forget- was in post for 2 years prior, when our rugby was totally desperate with him and Wells being uber conservative; admittedly they got to the final under Ashton in 2007, but it was leaden stuff.

Hard not to be conservative with Wells involved, though Deano manages it in patches

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:19 am

Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote: He pre-dated Jonno don't forget- was in post for 2 years prior, when our rugby was totally desperate with him and Wells being uber conservative; admittedly they got to the final under Ashton in 2007, but it was leaden stuff.
Hard not to be conservative with Wells involved, though Deano manages it in patches

ah the old 'he was following orders' defence

Mellsblue · Post by **Mellsblue** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:34 am

Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote: He pre-dated Jonno don't forget- was in post for 2 years prior, when our rugby was totally desperate with him and Wells being uber conservative; admittedly they got to the final under Ashton in 2007, but it was leaden stuff.
Hard not to be conservative with Wells involved, though Deano manages it in patches
ah the old 'he was following orders' defence

How does this differ to both the drift and blitz systems?

Oakboy · Post by **Oakboy** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:35 am

It's simple, IMO, if Saints want to improve they won't appoint Ford.

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 10:36 am

Mellsblue wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Hard not to be conservative with Wells involved, though Deano manages it in patches
ah the old 'he was following orders' defence
How does this differ to both the drift and blitz systems?

Brad Barritt

Digby · Post by **Digby** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:05 am

Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote: He pre-dated Jonno don't forget- was in post for 2 years prior, when our rugby was totally desperate with him and Wells being uber conservative; admittedly they got to the final under Ashton in 2007, but it was leaden stuff.
Hard not to be conservative with Wells involved, though Deano manages it in patches
ah the old 'he was following orders' defence

Part fair, part how are you supposed to do otherwise if you can't get Wells to agree on presenting fast ball when Wells wants safe ball?

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:18 am

Digby wrote:
Banquo wrote:
Digby wrote:
Hard not to be conservative with Wells involved, though Deano manages it in patches
ah the old 'he was following orders' defence
Part fair, part how are you supposed to do otherwise if you can't get Wells to agree on presenting fast ball when Wells wants safe ball?

Complain to the boss? My point being complicity or incompetence or lack of spine...or indeed all of them.

Which Tyler · Post by **Which Tyler** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:56 am

Err... Ford was defence coach, he agreed with Wells that secure ball was the be all and end all, and he didn't give a damn what the backs did with it once it arrives, his job was to stop then other team getting the ball.
Jonno, of course, was ruled by Wells'n'Ford - he didn't get in their way, so they didn't depose. Robinson and Ashton were both victims of the famous backstab manoeuvre.

Tigersman · Post by **Tigersman** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 11:59 am

Peej wrote:But who would Ford undermine and stab in the back to get the full time job if he's appointed straight into it? That pretty much wipes out the first three months of his "How to coach" plan

maybe he has already been talking to the saints board?

maybe straight after the Sarries game!!!

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:01 pm

Which Tyler wrote:Err... Ford was defence coach, he agreed with Wells that secure ball was the be all and end all, and he didn't give a damn what the backs did with it once it arrives, his job was to stop then other team getting the ball.
Jonno, of course, was ruled by Wells'n'Ford - he didn't get in their way, so they didn't depose. Robinson and Ashton were both victims of the famous backstab manoeuvre.

as I said, eminence grise, complicit, and in the team sense, incompetent. In fairness, he does have a pretty decent record at drying up opposition tries, if they aren't SH teams. My view is that you have to do your role in an overall team construct- ultimately, the head coach has to decide this, and the other fall into line or sod off.

Digby · Post by **Digby** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:11 pm

Eminence grise and complicit whilst lacking spine, he should go into politics.

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:13 pm

Digby wrote:Eminence grise and complicit whilst lacking spine, he should go into politics.

Its an idea

MrK · Post by **MrK** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:06 pm

Please, take Gatland.

Mellsblue · Post by **Mellsblue** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:09 pm

MrK wrote:Please, take Gatland.

Brilliant. More tea spat across my desk.

bitts · Post by **bitts** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:20 pm

Surely Ford is a little too tarnished for any board to hire?

If he wants back in the prem my guess it will be with a smaller club.

If they want someone to ignite Thier backline they should go for Dave Walder. Some not great players for Newcastle have developed thier attacking game a lot under him.

Mellsblue · Post by **Mellsblue** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:38 pm

Yep. If I were E Jones I’d be having a chat with Mr Walder.

Digby · Post by **Digby** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:46 pm

If no coach was found and Saints folded along with Wuss we'd be down to the 10 team league many people want

p/d · Post by **p/d** » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:15 pm

Digby wrote:If no coach was found and Saints folded along with Wuss we'd be down to the 10 team league many people want

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