North Korea

[rowan]

The right wing loud boors on here all have one thing in common. Their ignorance of history.

& an incredibly skewed perspective on what they do know, with a seemingly inexhaustible capacity for justifying or denying outright the countless crimes against humanity the West has inflicted on the Rest, while the Rest, in their imaginations, are simply evil by nature because they do not share our ideology.

[SerjeantWildgoose]

How often do you have to dry clean your righteous indignation, chaps? It must get frightfully grubby constantly rubbing it up against us murderous imperialist in here.

[OptimisticJock]

I have nothing of value to add I would just like to spread some more imperialist filth.

[SerjeantWildgoose]

Get Your Himperialist Filf 'Ere, Sir!
The best Himperialist Filf money can buy and we'll throw in the new patented Himperialist Filf Mortar for a Guinea

[zer0]

Gimme a pound o'r Himperialist Filf.



'nd a small packet o'genocide for the boy.

[OptimisticJock]

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[Zhivago]

Oh wow look at all you lads sucking uncle Sarge's cock... Nothing like millions of suffering humans to have a laugh about.

[OptimisticJock]

He does put nuttella on it.

[morepork]

He does put nuttella on it.

I tend to find it tastes of stale feta and hard, packed, butter.

[cashead]

Oh wow look at all you lads sucking uncle Sarge's cock... Nothing like millions of suffering humans to have a laugh about.

lol

[Stones of granite]

Oh wow look at all you lads sucking uncle Sarge's cock... Nothing like millions of suffering humans to have a laugh about.

A fairly ironic thing for you to write while the regimes that you champion are currently massacring civilians in Eastern Ghouta.

[Zhivago]

Oh wow look at all you lads sucking uncle Sarge's cock... Nothing like millions of suffering humans to have a laugh about.

A fairly ironic thing for you to write while the regimes that you champion are currently massacring civilians in Eastern Ghouta.

I'm no champion of Assad, I just don't think it helps people living in Syria to stoke civil war and install jihadi puppets.

[rowan]

Nothing like millions of suffering humans to have a laugh about.

A fairly ironic thing for you to write while the regimes that you champion are currently massacring civilians in Eastern Ghouta.

I'm no champion of Assad, I just don't think it helps people living in Syria to stoke civil war and install jihadi puppets.

Local news has been boasting about killing almost 2000 so far in Afrin, this during an illegal invasion of another country. No outcry from the right wing loud boors, of course. Of course, they're only killing terrorists, while the regime in Damascus, making a legitimate attempt to reclaim territory from the US-backed freedom fighters, is only killing innocent civilians. Their perspective on this is so warped and hypocritical it's mind-boggling.

& guess what, the US and Britain are currently supporting their beloved medieval dictatorship of Saudi Arabia bomb impoverished Yemen to rubble, with civilian gatherings and institutions among the favored targets, thus bringing about a cholera outbreak and widespread humanitarian crisis. This, of course, is only the latest in their many crimes across the Middle East, which have claimed several million lives since the 1990s. & they want to talk about mass-murdering regimes

[Zhivago]

A fairly ironic thing for you to write while the regimes that you champion are currently massacring civilians in Eastern Ghouta.

I'm no champion of Assad, I just don't think it helps people living in Syria to stoke civil war and install jihadi puppets.

Local news has been boasting about killing almost 2000 so far in Afrin, this during an illegal invasion of another country. No outcry from the right wing loud boors, of course. Of course, they're only killing terrorists, while the regime in Damascus, making a legitimate attempt to reclaim territory from the US-backed freedom fighters, is only killing innocent civilians. Their perspective on this is so warped and hypocritical it's mind-boggling.

& guess what, the US and Britain are currently supporting their beloved medieval dictatorship of Saudi Arabia bomb impoverished Yemen to rubble, with civilian gatherings and institutions among the favored targets, thus bringing about a cholera outbreak and widespread humanitarian crisis. This, of course, is only the latest in their many crimes across the Middle East, which have claimed several million lives since the 1990s. & they want to talk about mass-murdering regimes

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Below an insight from Jaques Ellul:
"All bombings by the enemy are acts of savagery aimed only at civilian objectives, whereas all bombings by one's own planes are proof of one's superiority, and they never destroy anything but military objectives"

[Mellsblue]

[quote="Zhivago"

Below an insight from Jaques Ellul:
"All bombings by the enemy are acts of savagery aimed only at civilian objectives, whereas all bombings by one's own planes are proof of one's superiority, and they never destroy anything but military objectives"[/quote]
And to think you accused me of being black or white on another thread.

[Stones of granite]

A fairly ironic thing for you to write while the regimes that you champion are currently massacring civilians in Eastern Ghouta.

I'm no champion of Assad, I just don't think it helps people living in Syria to stoke civil war and install jihadi puppets.

Local news has been boasting about killing almost 2000 so far in Afrin, this during an illegal invasion of another country. No outcry from the right wing loud boors, of course. Of course, they're only killing terrorists, while the regime in Damascus, making a legitimate attempt to reclaim territory from the US-backed freedom fighters, is only killing innocent civilians. Their perspective on this is so warped and hypocritical it's mind-boggling.

& guess what, the US and Britain are currently supporting their beloved medieval dictatorship of Saudi Arabia bomb impoverished Yemen to rubble, with civilian gatherings and institutions among the favored targets, thus bringing about a cholera outbreak and widespread humanitarian crisis. This, of course, is only the latest in their many crimes across the Middle East, which have claimed several million lives since the 1990s. & they want to talk about mass-murdering regimes

Talking about hypocrisy, total silence from you on Putin's massacre of civilians in Eastern Ghouta.

Of course, you're "in the region", so no one else can know what's going on. rollyeyelysmiley.

[rowan]

The Russians have been invited to help the recognised government reclaim Eastern Ghouta from the proxy terrorists America and its allies sent in there. The proxy terrorists are predictably using human shields and Western propaganda is predictably focusing on that. In the north, the situation you are choosing to ignore is that a hostile force has entered Syria without legal authority and, by its own boastful accounts, massacred nearly 2000 so far. US troops are also occupying Syria without legal authority, and have, by their own boastful accounts, bombed pro-government forces who are legitimately attempting to reclaim territory.

If you don't understand that, you definitely don't understand what's going on in Syria at all. You understand only the skewed propaganda fed to you by the corporate media of one of the world's most warmongering, racist nations.

[rowan]

So let's get back to North Korea (metaphorically, of course)

[rowan]

To wit . . .

Opinion — It’s sort of silly that it matters. The United States bombed North Korea flat with ordinary, non-bioweapons bombs. It ran out of standing structures to bomb. People lived in caves, if they lived. Millions died, most of them from regular old non-scandalous but mass-murderous bombs (including, of course, Napalm which melts people but doesn’t give them exotic diseases). North Koreans to this day live in such terror of a repetition of history that their behavior is sometimes inexplicable and bewildering to Americans whose knowledge of history comes from watching game shows.

Yet there is something powerful in its impact on self-deluded believers in the goodness of U.S. wars about the fact that the United States tried to spread diseases like bubonic plague in North Korea. So, it’s worth spreading awareness that this indeed happened. A great help in that project has just been provided by Jeffrey Kaye, who has just posted online an important report that has been largely unavailable for decades.

The report was produced in 1952 at the request of the North Korean and Chinese governments by a commission that included prominent scientists from Sweden, Brazil, France, and Italy, and was headed by Sir Joseph Needham, one of the most prominent and respected British scientists ever. (His New York Times obituary doesn’t say whether the commission’s conclusions were accurate. His Independent obituary suggests that the commission got it right. His WikiPedia entry predictably announces that the commission was completely wrong, and backs this up with that popular WikiPedia citation: “citation needed.”) Yeah, it just became even more badly needed.

The report that Kaye has made available to us is thorough and well-researched, and it concludes that indeed the U.S. used germ warfare. It played a very minor role in the mass-slaughter. But it played a role.

It played a larger role in U.S. culture and government going forward. The latter invented the concept of “brain washing” to explain away the testimony of U.S. pilots who confessed to their participation in bio-warfare. Then the CIA spent many years (and cost many lives) absurdly trying to actually do what it had ridiculously accused the Chinese of having done.

That the United States protected and built on the work of Japanese war criminals is unwelcome information in the United States. That it attempted to create deadly disease epidemics in North Korea is even more unwelcome.

Perhaps even less acceptable information is that the United States brought hunger and death to Cuba, introducing swine fever to the island as well as tobacco mold, and creating “an epidemic of hemorrhagic dengue fever in 1981, during which some 340,000 people were infected and 116,000 hospitalized, this in a country which had never before experienced a single case of the disease. In the end, 158 people, including 101 children, died.”

Oddly, as Kaye points out, it may be yet more unacceptable in the United States to know that Japan experimented with bioweapons on U.S. prisoners of war.

And I suspect that the most un-allowable fact of all is that the U.S. bioweapons program weaponized and spread Lyme disease in the area of Old Lyme, Connecticut, from which the disease subsequently took its name. It has, of course, been spreading rapidly.

As I’ve previously written, the propaganda struggle during the Korean War was intense. The support of the Guatemalan government for the reports of U.S. germ warfare in China were part of the U.S. motivation for overthrowing the Guatemalan government; the same cover-up was likely part of the motivation for the CIA’s murder of Frank Olson — about whom see the new Netflix film Wormwood.

There isn’t any debate that the United States had been working on bio-weapons for years, at Fort Detrick — then Camp Detrick — and numerous other locations. Nor is there any question that the United States employed the top bio-weapons killers from among both the Japanese and the Nazis from the end of World War II onward. Nor is there any question that the U.S. tested such weapons on the city of San Francisco and numerous other locations around the United States, and on U.S. soldiers. There’s a museum in Havana featuring evidence of years of U.S. bio-warfare against Cuba. We know that Plum Island, off the tip of Long Island, was used to test the weaponization of insects, including the ticks that created the ongoing outbreak of Lyme Disease.

“What does it matter now?” I can imagine people from only one corner of the earth asking.

I reply that it matters that we know the evils of war and try to stop the new ones. U.S. cluster bombs in Yemen, U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan, U.S. guns in Syria, U.S. white phosphorus and Napalm and depleted uranium used in recent years, U.S. torture in prison camps, U.S. nuclear arsenals being expanded, U.S. coups empowering monsters in Ukraine and Honduras, U.S. lies about Iranian nukes, and indeed U.S. antagonization of North Korea as part of that never-yet-ended war — all of these things can be best confronted by people aware of a centuries-long pattern of lying.

And I reply, also, that it is not yet too late to apologize.

Top Photo | Bombs drop from a U.S. Air Force 3rd bomber wing B26 light bomber somewhere in North Korea. All told, the U.S. dropped 635,000 tons of bombs on Korea during the war, most of it in the North, including with 32,500 tons of napalm, leaving nearly 3 million people dead, March 18, 1953. (U.S. Air Force via AP)

https://www.mintpressnews.com/yes-the-u ... ea/237919/

[rowan]

Also good:

Last year, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats explained at the Aspen Security Forum that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un believed that nuclear weapons were necessary for “survival for his regime” and “survival for his country.” The basic reason is that “having the nuclear card in your pocket results in a lot of deterrence capability,” Coats said.

Over the past few years, many leaders around the world have reached the same conclusion, according to Coats. After watching outside powers interfere in Libya and Ukraine, he explained, heads of state have concluded that they need nuclear weapons to deter invasions. “The lessons that we learned out of Libya giving up its nukes and Ukraine giving up its nukes is unfortunately if you had nukes, never give them up,” Coats said. “If you don’t have them, get them.”


“We’ve never had this level of extreme sanctions,” Secretary of State Rex Tillerson commented at the end of last year.

The extreme sanctions have placed significant strains on the North Korean economy. As of last September, the sanctions were making it very difficult for the North Korean people to acquire fuel.

“Just imagine if this happened to the United States — a 55 percent reduction in diesel and oil,” Nikki Haley, the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, remarked at the time. “They said it was a full-scale economic blockade, suffocating its state and its people,” Haley said. “This is dramatic.”

The extreme sanctions have also been devastating for North Korea’s fishermen. Forced to take increasingly dangerous risks to find food, many North Korean fisherman have been dying at sea, with their boats washing ashore Japanese beaches.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/02/21 ... rea-rough/

[Sandydragon]

To wit . . .

Opinion — It’s sort of silly that it matters. The United States bombed North Korea flat with ordinary, non-bioweapons bombs. It ran out of standing structures to bomb. People lived in caves, if they lived. Millions died, most of them from regular old non-scandalous but mass-murderous bombs (including, of course, Napalm which melts people but doesn’t give them exotic diseases). North Koreans to this day live in such terror of a repetition of history that their behavior is sometimes inexplicable and bewildering to Americans whose knowledge of history comes from watching game shows.

Yet there is something powerful in its impact on self-deluded believers in the goodness of U.S. wars about the fact that the United States tried to spread diseases like bubonic plague in North Korea. So, it’s worth spreading awareness that this indeed happened. A great help in that project has just been provided by Jeffrey Kaye, who has just posted online an important report that has been largely unavailable for decades.

The report was produced in 1952 at the request of the North Korean and Chinese governments by a commission that included prominent scientists from Sweden, Brazil, France, and Italy, and was headed by Sir Joseph Needham, one of the most prominent and respected British scientists ever. (His New York Times obituary doesn’t say whether the commission’s conclusions were accurate. His Independent obituary suggests that the commission got it right. His WikiPedia entry predictably announces that the commission was completely wrong, and backs this up with that popular WikiPedia citation: “citation needed.”) Yeah, it just became even more badly needed.

The report that Kaye has made available to us is thorough and well-researched, and it concludes that indeed the U.S. used germ warfare. It played a very minor role in the mass-slaughter. But it played a role.

It played a larger role in U.S. culture and government going forward. The latter invented the concept of “brain washing” to explain away the testimony of U.S. pilots who confessed to their participation in bio-warfare. Then the CIA spent many years (and cost many lives) absurdly trying to actually do what it had ridiculously accused the Chinese of having done.

That the United States protected and built on the work of Japanese war criminals is unwelcome information in the United States. That it attempted to create deadly disease epidemics in North Korea is even more unwelcome.

Perhaps even less acceptable information is that the United States brought hunger and death to Cuba, introducing swine fever to the island as well as tobacco mold, and creating “an epidemic of hemorrhagic dengue fever in 1981, during which some 340,000 people were infected and 116,000 hospitalized, this in a country which had never before experienced a single case of the disease. In the end, 158 people, including 101 children, died.”

Oddly, as Kaye points out, it may be yet more unacceptable in the United States to know that Japan experimented with bioweapons on U.S. prisoners of war.

And I suspect that the most un-allowable fact of all is that the U.S. bioweapons program weaponized and spread Lyme disease in the area of Old Lyme, Connecticut, from which the disease subsequently took its name. It has, of course, been spreading rapidly.

As I’ve previously written, the propaganda struggle during the Korean War was intense. The support of the Guatemalan government for the reports of U.S. germ warfare in China were part of the U.S. motivation for overthrowing the Guatemalan government; the same cover-up was likely part of the motivation for the CIA’s murder of Frank Olson — about whom see the new Netflix film Wormwood.

There isn’t any debate that the United States had been working on bio-weapons for years, at Fort Detrick — then Camp Detrick — and numerous other locations. Nor is there any question that the United States employed the top bio-weapons killers from among both the Japanese and the Nazis from the end of World War II onward. Nor is there any question that the U.S. tested such weapons on the city of San Francisco and numerous other locations around the United States, and on U.S. soldiers. There’s a museum in Havana featuring evidence of years of U.S. bio-warfare against Cuba. We know that Plum Island, off the tip of Long Island, was used to test the weaponization of insects, including the ticks that created the ongoing outbreak of Lyme Disease.

“What does it matter now?” I can imagine people from only one corner of the earth asking.

I reply that it matters that we know the evils of war and try to stop the new ones. U.S. cluster bombs in Yemen, U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan, U.S. guns in Syria, U.S. white phosphorus and Napalm and depleted uranium used in recent years, U.S. torture in prison camps, U.S. nuclear arsenals being expanded, U.S. coups empowering monsters in Ukraine and Honduras, U.S. lies about Iranian nukes, and indeed U.S. antagonization of North Korea as part of that never-yet-ended war — all of these things can be best confronted by people aware of a centuries-long pattern of lying.

And I reply, also, that it is not yet too late to apologize.

Top Photo | Bombs drop from a U.S. Air Force 3rd bomber wing B26 light bomber somewhere in North Korea. All told, the U.S. dropped 635,000 tons of bombs on Korea during the war, most of it in the North, including with 32,500 tons of napalm, leaving nearly 3 million people dead, March 18, 1953. (U.S. Air Force via AP)

https://www.mintpressnews.com/yes-the-u ... ea/237919/

Why am I not surprised that you believe that fantasy.

How many South Koreans were murdered by communist soldiers?

[Buggaluggs]

He does put nuttella on it.

I tend to find it tastes of stale feta and hard, packed, butter.

are we still talking about the too-tight cock rings?

[Zhivago]

Why am I not surprised that you believe that fantasy.

How many South Koreans were murdered by communist soldiers?

Before you go getting all cocky...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodo_League_massacre

... the South was not democratic you know. The USA installed Syngman Rhee, and he was brutal.

[rowan]

To wit . . .

Opinion — It’s sort of silly that it matters. The United States bombed North Korea flat with ordinary, non-bioweapons bombs. It ran out of standing structures to bomb. People lived in caves, if they lived. Millions died, most of them from regular old non-scandalous but mass-murderous bombs (including, of course, Napalm which melts people but doesn’t give them exotic diseases). North Koreans to this day live in such terror of a repetition of history that their behavior is sometimes inexplicable and bewildering to Americans whose knowledge of history comes from watching game shows.

Yet there is something powerful in its impact on self-deluded believers in the goodness of U.S. wars about the fact that the United States tried to spread diseases like bubonic plague in North Korea. So, it’s worth spreading awareness that this indeed happened. A great help in that project has just been provided by Jeffrey Kaye, who has just posted online an important report that has been largely unavailable for decades.

The report was produced in 1952 at the request of the North Korean and Chinese governments by a commission that included prominent scientists from Sweden, Brazil, France, and Italy, and was headed by Sir Joseph Needham, one of the most prominent and respected British scientists ever. (His New York Times obituary doesn’t say whether the commission’s conclusions were accurate. His Independent obituary suggests that the commission got it right. His WikiPedia entry predictably announces that the commission was completely wrong, and backs this up with that popular WikiPedia citation: “citation needed.”) Yeah, it just became even more badly needed.

The report that Kaye has made available to us is thorough and well-researched, and it concludes that indeed the U.S. used germ warfare. It played a very minor role in the mass-slaughter. But it played a role.

It played a larger role in U.S. culture and government going forward. The latter invented the concept of “brain washing” to explain away the testimony of U.S. pilots who confessed to their participation in bio-warfare. Then the CIA spent many years (and cost many lives) absurdly trying to actually do what it had ridiculously accused the Chinese of having done.

That the United States protected and built on the work of Japanese war criminals is unwelcome information in the United States. That it attempted to create deadly disease epidemics in North Korea is even more unwelcome.

Perhaps even less acceptable information is that the United States brought hunger and death to Cuba, introducing swine fever to the island as well as tobacco mold, and creating “an epidemic of hemorrhagic dengue fever in 1981, during which some 340,000 people were infected and 116,000 hospitalized, this in a country which had never before experienced a single case of the disease. In the end, 158 people, including 101 children, died.”

Oddly, as Kaye points out, it may be yet more unacceptable in the United States to know that Japan experimented with bioweapons on U.S. prisoners of war.

And I suspect that the most un-allowable fact of all is that the U.S. bioweapons program weaponized and spread Lyme disease in the area of Old Lyme, Connecticut, from which the disease subsequently took its name. It has, of course, been spreading rapidly.

As I’ve previously written, the propaganda struggle during the Korean War was intense. The support of the Guatemalan government for the reports of U.S. germ warfare in China were part of the U.S. motivation for overthrowing the Guatemalan government; the same cover-up was likely part of the motivation for the CIA’s murder of Frank Olson — about whom see the new Netflix film Wormwood.

There isn’t any debate that the United States had been working on bio-weapons for years, at Fort Detrick — then Camp Detrick — and numerous other locations. Nor is there any question that the United States employed the top bio-weapons killers from among both the Japanese and the Nazis from the end of World War II onward. Nor is there any question that the U.S. tested such weapons on the city of San Francisco and numerous other locations around the United States, and on U.S. soldiers. There’s a museum in Havana featuring evidence of years of U.S. bio-warfare against Cuba. We know that Plum Island, off the tip of Long Island, was used to test the weaponization of insects, including the ticks that created the ongoing outbreak of Lyme Disease.

“What does it matter now?” I can imagine people from only one corner of the earth asking.

I reply that it matters that we know the evils of war and try to stop the new ones. U.S. cluster bombs in Yemen, U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan, U.S. guns in Syria, U.S. white phosphorus and Napalm and depleted uranium used in recent years, U.S. torture in prison camps, U.S. nuclear arsenals being expanded, U.S. coups empowering monsters in Ukraine and Honduras, U.S. lies about Iranian nukes, and indeed U.S. antagonization of North Korea as part of that never-yet-ended war — all of these things can be best confronted by people aware of a centuries-long pattern of lying.

And I reply, also, that it is not yet too late to apologize.

Top Photo | Bombs drop from a U.S. Air Force 3rd bomber wing B26 light bomber somewhere in North Korea. All told, the U.S. dropped 635,000 tons of bombs on Korea during the war, most of it in the North, including with 32,500 tons of napalm, leaving nearly 3 million people dead, March 18, 1953. (U.S. Air Force via AP)

https://www.mintpressnews.com/yes-the-u ... ea/237919/

Why am I not surprised that you believe that fantasy.

How many South Koreans were murdered by communist soldiers?

Why am I not surprised you would go into denial mode and try to point the finger elsewhere . . . ?

[Stones of granite]

Also good:

Last year, Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats explained at the Aspen Security Forum that North Korean leader Kim Jong-un believed that nuclear weapons were necessary for “survival for his regime” and “survival for his country.” The basic reason is that “having the nuclear card in your pocket results in a lot of deterrence capability,” Coats said.

Over the past few years, many leaders around the world have reached the same conclusion, according to Coats. After watching outside powers interfere in Libya and Ukraine, he explained, heads of state have concluded that they need nuclear weapons to deter invasions. “The lessons that we learned out of Libya giving up its nukes and Ukraine giving up its nukes is unfortunately if you had nukes, never give them up,” Coats said. “If you don’t have them, get them.”


“We’ve never had this level of extreme sanctions,” Secretary of State Rex Tillerson commented at the end of last year.

The extreme sanctions have placed significant strains on the North Korean economy. As of last September, the sanctions were making it very difficult for the North Korean people to acquire fuel.

“Just imagine if this happened to the United States — a 55 percent reduction in diesel and oil,” Nikki Haley, the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, remarked at the time. “They said it was a full-scale economic blockade, suffocating its state and its people,” Haley said. “This is dramatic.”

The extreme sanctions have also been devastating for North Korea’s fishermen. Forced to take increasingly dangerous risks to find food, many North Korean fisherman have been dying at sea, with their boats washing ashore Japanese beaches.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/02/21 ... rea-rough/

And STALIN had no idea of the consequences for his puppet regime when he ordered them to invade the South? Yeah, it was all one way. Keep up the propaganda Billy Bulshitter.