Anti-Zionism

[Digby]

Other parties have idiots who make racist comments. They get disciplined and often booted out. In labour, councillors who make anti Semitic comments are temporarily expelled and then quietly allowed back in.

What happened to the nice lady who extolled Hitler as a great person (possibly the greatest person) for killing so many Jews, I know Labour suspended her but I don't recall if she was ever let back in?

And it's not just Labour who have this problem since electing the Glorious Leader™ there's UKIP who behave in similar fashion. And as is so often noted it's daft as it allows for an easy deflection on many issues where Israel does rather seem to go too far

Indeed. It seems that lunatic politics is the order of the day at the moment in the U.K. the only positive’ about UKIP is they aren’t anywhere near getting into power, whereas millions regard corbyn as some kind of kindly grandad.

Israel deserves criticism for many of its actions. But, some people just can’t help themselves. What makes it really odd from th left wing perspective is the long history of Jews in socialism.

The left does better with what they perceive as victims of the cruelty of capitalism, Israsel is seen as a success story on the money front and thus is part of the problem.

[rowan]

What are you thoughts on the massacre in Gaza, Sandy? & why have you deliberately mixed up comments and news connected to it with your own comments on anti-Semitism in Britain? The two things are not connected - notwithstanding efforts to divert attention from the former with the latter, which has long been a standard tactic of Israel and its supporters. But please do not insert quotes attributed to me into your own discussions about anti-Semitism in Britain, which I have taken no part in whatsoever. Cheers.

I notice that when th players get of Jews is discussed, someone links to Israel and th Palestinians. It’s a deflection, the 2 issues are separate.

Any clown who links the actions of Israel to dislike of Jews in Britain is a fucking idiot.

My view on the Israeli Palestine problem is that there are a lot of decent people who want peace, but both sides have thei fair share of extremists who don’t. I don’t believe in the simple digital view that one side is completely to blame for the current situation.

As for deflection, that’s your standard tactic mate, this thread has been about comrade corbyn for quite some time, I could throw that accusation back at you, particularly as you have a habit of doing just that on other threads.

You're a complete hypocrite. You inserted quotes and news from me on the massacre in Gaza into your own discussions on anti-Semitism in Britain, and then accuse me of trying to conflate the two issues as a diversion tactic. That's precisely what you've done, not me. I've taken no part in your discussions about anti-Semitism in Britain at all. I have (unlike you) simply been expressing my horror at the latest massacre of Palestinians. In fact, the only comment I've made about anti-Semitism at all is that it has long been used as a diversion tactic from Israeli war crimes against native Palestinian civilians. You have just proved it. But, once again, I would appreciate it if you didn't insert my comments and links into conversations they have no connection to, and in which I have not participated. Cheers.

[Sandydragon]

What happened to the nice lady who extolled Hitler as a great person (possibly the greatest person) for killing so many Jews, I know Labour suspended her but I don't recall if she was ever let back in?

And it's not just Labour who have this problem since electing the Glorious Leader™ there's UKIP who behave in similar fashion. And as is so often noted it's daft as it allows for an easy deflection on many issues where Israel does rather seem to go too far

Indeed. It seems that lunatic politics is the order of the day at the moment in the U.K. the only positive’ about UKIP is they aren’t anywhere near getting into power, whereas millions regard corbyn as some kind of kindly grandad.

Israel deserves criticism for many of its actions. But, some people just can’t help themselves. What makes it really odd from th left wing perspective is the long history of Jews in socialism.

The left does better with what they perceive as victims of the cruelty of capitalism, Israsel is seen as a success story on the money front and thus is part of the problem.

Absolutely. Add to the fact that the left leaning Israeli government are a thing of the past and it’s almost a betrayal.

[Sandydragon]

What are you thoughts on the massacre in Gaza, Sandy? & why have you deliberately mixed up comments and news connected to it with your own comments on anti-Semitism in Britain? The two things are not connected - notwithstanding efforts to divert attention from the former with the latter, which has long been a standard tactic of Israel and its supporters. But please do not insert quotes attributed to me into your own discussions about anti-Semitism in Britain, which I have taken no part in whatsoever. Cheers.

I notice that when th players get of Jews is discussed, someone links to Israel and th Palestinians. It’s a deflection, the 2 issues are separate.

Any clown who links the actions of Israel to dislike of Jews in Britain is a fucking idiot.

My view on the Israeli Palestine problem is that there are a lot of decent people who want peace, but both sides have thei fair share of extremists who don’t. I don’t believe in the simple digital view that one side is completely to blame for the current situation.

As for deflection, that’s your standard tactic mate, this thread has been about comrade corbyn for quite some time, I could throw that accusation back at you, particularly as you have a habit of doing just that on other threads.

You're a complete hypocrite. You inserted quotes and news from me on the massacre in Gaza into your own discussions on anti-Semitism in Britain, and then accuse me of trying to conflate the two issues as a diversion tactic. That's precisely what you've done, not me. I've taken no part in your discussions about anti-Semitism in Britain at all. I have (unlike you) simply been expressing my horror at the latest massacre of Palestinians. In fact, the only comment I've made about anti-Semitism at all is that it has long been used as a diversion tactic from Israeli war crimes against native Palestinian civilians. You have just proved it. But, once again, I would appreciate it if you didn't insert my comments and links into conversations they have no connection to, and in which I have not participated. Cheers.

Oh the utter irony.

[Digby]

The Times are reporting thousands of racist and sexist messages on the social media pages of groups who support Corbyn, all in the groups number around 400,000 in membership (though one supposes they're hardly all active). Interestingly the groups picked out for being very pro the Glorious Leader™ are both keen on anti-Semetic behaviour and on likening Tories to Nazis, and too, and as noted above, they're also rather fond of misogny

But it's okay, Labour have quickly confirmed they only have unofficial links with the groups who post such vile content.

[rowan]

Still in shock over yesterday's appalling scenes in Gaza. Even the Guardian has given an honest account for a change. Absolutely horrific to see those Palestinian youth being shot in the back as they fled. & one was actually shot in the back while praying. All captured on video, with no sign of violence on the part of the protest marchers. The UN will hold an emergency meeting, and the US, supported by Micronesia and a couple of Central American dictatorships, will likely veto any resolution calling for action, and this atrocious war crime will also fade quickly from the headlines


Gaza hospitals, running low on blood and overstretched by the huge number of wounded, were reeling after one of the enclave’s bloodiest days outside of open war, in which Israeli soldiers shot 773 people with live ammunition, according to the ministry of health.

Fifteen of the wounded died, said the ministry spokesperson Dr Ashraf al-Qidra. “Most of the dead were aged between 17 and 35 years old,” he said. “The injuries were on the upper part of the body.” He added that the remainder of the wounded, some of whom were in a critical condition, had been “shot with live ammunition”.

The violence erupted on Friday after mass demonstrations took place demanding the right of return for Palestinian refugees and their descendants to land in Israel.

Tens of thousands of people, including women and children, had planned to camp several hundred metres from the Israeli frontier, which surrounds the 140-square-mile Gaza strip on two sides, on the first day of a peaceful, six-week protest.

But from the main camps, groups of mostly young men approached the border at several locations and started throwing stones and burning tyres. Soldiers responded by opening fire throughout the day.

More than 1,400 people were wounded, mostly by bullets but also rubber-coated rounds and tear-gas inhalation, the health ministry said. The Guardian was unable to independently verify the ministry’s figures.

On Friday, in less than 30 minutes, reporters saw 10 people with bullet wounds carried away on stretchers at one of the demonstrations.

The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, declared Saturday a national day of mourning. More demonstrations are planned.

Israel said it has positioned snipers and responded to “rioting” Palestinians with “dispersal means” and “firing towards main instigators”. It said the movement was a Hamas-orchestrated ploy and it was identifying “terror attacks under the camouflage of riots”.

The military pointed to what it said was an “attempted shooting attack by a terror cell” in the northern part of the Gaza strip on Friday. It added that it had responded with gunfire and by targeting three nearby Hamas sites with tanks and fighter jets. The military sent a video to journalists showing men appearing to tamper with the separation fence and said that Hamas had earlier sent a seven-year-old girl across the border, whom Israeli soldiers returned to her parents.

The Israeli ambassador to the UN, Danny Danon, said: “The international community must not be deceived” by what he called “a well-organised and violent terror gathering”.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... b-gdnworld

[Sandydragon]

The Times are reporting thousands of racist and sexist messages on the social media pages of groups who support Corbyn, all in the groups number around 400,000 in membership (though one supposes they're hardly all active). Interestingly the groups picked out for being very pro the Glorious Leader™ are both keen on anti-Semetic behaviour and on likening Tories to Nazis, and too, and as noted above, they're also rather fond of misogny

But it's okay, Labour have quickly confirmed they only have unofficial links with the groups who post such vile content.

And here it is. The kinder face of British politics.

Exposed: Jeremy Corbyn’s hate factory
Richard Kerbaj, Gabriel Pogrund, Jon Ungoed‑Thomas and Tim Shipman
April 1 2018, 12:01am, The Sunday Times
This montage shows the Labour leader with some of the anti-semitic, violent and misogynistic comments taken verbatim from the pro-Corbyn Facebook groups exposed by The Sunday Times
This montage shows the Labour leader with some of the anti-semitic, violent and misogynistic comments taken verbatim from the pro-Corbyn Facebook groups exposed by The Sunday Times
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Jeremy Corbyn faces a damaging new anti-semitism scandal as a bombshell dossier reveals the full extent of anti-Jewish, violent and abusive comments on Facebook groups mobilising his most fervent supporters.

Twelve senior staff working for the Labour leader and the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, are members of groups containing anti-semitic and violent comments, including praise for Adolf Hitler and threats to kill Theresa May, the prime minister.

The most comprehensive investigation conducted into 20 of the biggest pro-Corbyn Facebook groups — numbering 400,000 members — found routine attacks on Jewish people, including Holocaust denial.

The dossier was compiled over two months by whistleblowers working with The Sunday Times in the groups, who gained access to restricted membership groups. They uncovered more than 2,000 racist, anti-semitic, misogynistic, violent and abusive messages.

Lord Carlile, the former independent reviewer of terrorism legislation, said the comments appeared to breach hate-crime laws.


The investigation found:

■ Posts including support for Adolf Hitler, with one saying the Nazi leader “should have finished off the job” and another claiming the deaths of 6m Jews in the Holocaust “was a big lie!”

■ A Labour supporter, Patrick Haseldine, who posted an image of the Israeli flag on one Labour group on Facebook, with the swastika replacing the Star of David

■ Ian Love, a Momentum organiser on one of the groups, who claimed the former prime minister Tony Blair was “Jewish to the core”, and told The Sunday Times last week he believed the Rothschild banking family controlled most of the world’s finances.

The Facebook groups — which include We Support Jeremy Corbyn, with 68,000 members — have played a key role in helping Corbyn win two leadership contests and boost his performance in the last general election. He is under strong pressure to confront the anti-semitism in his party.

The abusive messages regularly targeted Jewish public figures, including the Labour MP Luciana Berger and Jonathan Arkush, president of the Board of Deputies of British Jews. There are also many violent threats against politicians.

Berger said she and her staff had gone to police about the abuse they had received from left-wingers, including one email urging her to kill herself. In an article for The Sunday Times, Berger says: “Where people indulge in illegal racist activity I will always use the full force of the law to pursue a prosecution. I will continue to do that even when they are people from the left.”

Last night, Christine Shawcroft resigned from Labour’s national executive committee (NEC) following pressure from Tom Watson, the deputy leader. She had opposed the suspension of a Labour member accused of Holocaust denial. “It is clear that my continued membership of the NEC has become a distraction for the party,” said Shawcroft, who will be replaced by the comedian Eddie Izzard.

David Prescott, Corbyn’s senior political adviser, was a member of We Support Jeremy Corbyn, the biggest group, until last week; Laura Murray, a stakeholder manager in Corbyn’s office, is a member of Supporting Jeremy Corbyn & John McDonnell; and James Meadway, McDonnell’s economic adviser, is in the groups We Support Jeremy Corbyn and Supporting Jeremy Corbyn & John McDonnell. Labour said no one in Corbyn’s or McDonnell’s office had seen, posted or endorsed anti- semitic or abusive messages.

Some posts decry the lack of availability of “assassins” in Britain for “getting rid of politicians”, with a picture featuring May. Another post, about the former deputy prime minister Damian Green, says “why don’t we just don’t get on with it and lynch him”.

Robert Ford, professor of political science at Manchester University, said “online hate factories” of the type uncovered by the investigation could encourage violent or extreme reactions.

The revelations came as it emerged that MPs who were at a rally to oppose Labour anti-semitism had been told to “explain” themselves to their constituency parties.

MPs who joined the rally say they have asked Corbyn to make clear he does not think those who attended were attacking him. He has not done so.

Labour said: “These groups are not officially connected to the party in any way. Labour is committed to challenging and campaigning against anti-semitism.”

■ The women’s parliamentary Labour Party, made up of the party’s female MPs and peers, has demanded Jeremy Corbyn suspend a male MP accused of domestic violence while the allegations were investigated.

[Digby]

And here it is. The kinder face of British politics.

At least they're picking up on some of the issues with women too, there's been lots of coverage on the anti-semitism but very little on the misogyny prevalent in some groups that tend to align against Israel (which is a separate issue as to whether Israel deserves some criticism for the left's apologists)

[Sandydragon]

And here it is. The kinder face of British politics.

At least they're picking up on some of the issues with women too, there's been lots of coverage on the anti-semitism but very little on the misogyny prevalent in some groups that tend to align against Israel (which is a separate issue as to whether Israel deserves some criticism for the left's apologists)

Agreed. And of course all of this is before you get to the routine abuse of anyone who disagrees with them.

I don’t buy the excuse that it’s just the internet, tell that to the family of Jo Cox.

[rowan]

Still in shock over yesterday's appalling scenes in Gaza. Even the Guardian has given an honest account for a change. Absolutely horrific to see those Palestinian youth being shot in the back as they fled. & one was actually shot in the back while praying. All captured on video, with no sign of violence on the part of the protest marchers. The UN will hold an emergency meeting, and the US, supported by Micronesia and a couple of Central American dictatorships, will likely veto any resolution calling for action, and this atrocious war crime will also fade quickly from the headlines


Gaza hospitals, running low on blood and overstretched by the huge number of wounded, were reeling after one of the enclave’s bloodiest days outside of open war, in which Israeli soldiers shot 773 people with live ammunition, according to the ministry of health.

Fifteen of the wounded died, said the ministry spokesperson Dr Ashraf al-Qidra. “Most of the dead were aged between 17 and 35 years old,” he said. “The injuries were on the upper part of the body.” He added that the remainder of the wounded, some of whom were in a critical condition, had been “shot with live ammunition”.

The violence erupted on Friday after mass demonstrations took place demanding the right of return for Palestinian refugees and their descendants to land in Israel.

Tens of thousands of people, including women and children, had planned to camp several hundred metres from the Israeli frontier, which surrounds the 140-square-mile Gaza strip on two sides, on the first day of a peaceful, six-week protest.

But from the main camps, groups of mostly young men approached the border at several locations and started throwing stones and burning tyres. Soldiers responded by opening fire throughout the day.

More than 1,400 people were wounded, mostly by bullets but also rubber-coated rounds and tear-gas inhalation, the health ministry said. The Guardian was unable to independently verify the ministry’s figures.

On Friday, in less than 30 minutes, reporters saw 10 people with bullet wounds carried away on stretchers at one of the demonstrations.

The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, declared Saturday a national day of mourning. More demonstrations are planned.

Israel said it has positioned snipers and responded to “rioting” Palestinians with “dispersal means” and “firing towards main instigators”. It said the movement was a Hamas-orchestrated ploy and it was identifying “terror attacks under the camouflage of riots”.

The military pointed to what it said was an “attempted shooting attack by a terror cell” in the northern part of the Gaza strip on Friday. It added that it had responded with gunfire and by targeting three nearby Hamas sites with tanks and fighter jets. The military sent a video to journalists showing men appearing to tamper with the separation fence and said that Hamas had earlier sent a seven-year-old girl across the border, whom Israeli soldiers returned to her parents.

The Israeli ambassador to the UN, Danny Danon, said: “The international community must not be deceived” by what he called “a well-organised and violent terror gathering”.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... b-gdnworld

It's also a shame how all the racists and apologists for Israeli war crimes are attempting to deflect attention from this. Of course, the same tactics will be familiar to those who recall the Apartheid era. Very sad that some people (and societies) are just too inherently racist to have learnt anything since then. As they say, history repeats itself, and human stupidity, cowardice and immorality are the reason why...

[rowan]

Can you believe this. Pure evil

Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said, Sunday, that Israel will not hold any investigation, or cooperate with international inquiries, into the excessive use force against unarmed protesters in Gaza, Friday, leading to the death of sixteen Palestinians, in addition to hundreds of injuries.

Lieberman did not only refuse any investigation into the deadly Israeli military assault, but also said that Israel will not cooperate with any inquiry, including potential international investigation.

The Israeli official who lived in an colony in the occupied West Bank, even threatened stronger and more violent military measures against the Palestinian protesters, “especially if any of them try to cross the border fence.”

http://imemc.org/article/lieberman-refu ... m=facebook

[Sandydragon]

So Corbyn has deleted his personal Facebook profile after weeks of criticism. Apparently he was added to various groups without his knowledge, which to be fair is bollocks but it will keep this core support happy.

[Sandydragon]

Shame we haven’t got that irony plane anymore.

[Mellsblue]

So Corbyn has deleted his personal Facebook profile after weeks of criticism. Apparently he was added to various groups without his knowledge, which to be fair is bollocks but it will keep this core support happy.

Going by polls and numerous uttering, at best his core support think it’s all a MSM/establishment conspiracy to target him and at worst they just don’t give a s**t or actually agree with him.

[Sandydragon]

Still in shock over yesterday's appalling scenes in Gaza. Even the Guardian has given an honest account for a change. Absolutely horrific to see those Palestinian youth being shot in the back as they fled. & one was actually shot in the back while praying. All captured on video, with no sign of violence on the part of the protest marchers. The UN will hold an emergency meeting, and the US, supported by Micronesia and a couple of Central American dictatorships, will likely veto any resolution calling for action, and this atrocious war crime will also fade quickly from the headlines


Gaza hospitals, running low on blood and overstretched by the huge number of wounded, were reeling after one of the enclave’s bloodiest days outside of open war, in which Israeli soldiers shot 773 people with live ammunition, according to the ministry of health.

Fifteen of the wounded died, said the ministry spokesperson Dr Ashraf al-Qidra. “Most of the dead were aged between 17 and 35 years old,” he said. “The injuries were on the upper part of the body.” He added that the remainder of the wounded, some of whom were in a critical condition, had been “shot with live ammunition”.

The violence erupted on Friday after mass demonstrations took place demanding the right of return for Palestinian refugees and their descendants to land in Israel.

Tens of thousands of people, including women and children, had planned to camp several hundred metres from the Israeli frontier, which surrounds the 140-square-mile Gaza strip on two sides, on the first day of a peaceful, six-week protest.

But from the main camps, groups of mostly young men approached the border at several locations and started throwing stones and burning tyres. Soldiers responded by opening fire throughout the day.

More than 1,400 people were wounded, mostly by bullets but also rubber-coated rounds and tear-gas inhalation, the health ministry said. The Guardian was unable to independently verify the ministry’s figures.

On Friday, in less than 30 minutes, reporters saw 10 people with bullet wounds carried away on stretchers at one of the demonstrations.

The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, declared Saturday a national day of mourning. More demonstrations are planned.

Israel said it has positioned snipers and responded to “rioting” Palestinians with “dispersal means” and “firing towards main instigators”. It said the movement was a Hamas-orchestrated ploy and it was identifying “terror attacks under the camouflage of riots”.

The military pointed to what it said was an “attempted shooting attack by a terror cell” in the northern part of the Gaza strip on Friday. It added that it had responded with gunfire and by targeting three nearby Hamas sites with tanks and fighter jets. The military sent a video to journalists showing men appearing to tamper with the separation fence and said that Hamas had earlier sent a seven-year-old girl across the border, whom Israeli soldiers returned to her parents.

The Israeli ambassador to the UN, Danny Danon, said: “The international community must not be deceived” by what he called “a well-organised and violent terror gathering”.



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... b-gdnworld

It's also a shame how all the racists and apologists for Israeli war crimes are attempting to deflect attention from this. Of course, the same tactics will be familiar to those who recall the Apartheid era. Very sad that some people (and societies) are just too inherently racist to have learnt anything since then. As they say, history repeats itself, and human stupidity, cowardice and immorality are the reason why...

I’m curious how you excuse your own behaviour when discussing Assad or Putin. You have excused the use of WMDs and wide scale war crimes so to call others racist, cowardly etc is a bit rich from a fully paid up propaganda hack.

And for the record, I’m excusing the Israeli government nothing. Their policy of preventing border incursions is ludicrous and bound to lead to incidents like this. I do t believe for one second that all the Palestinians were unarmed when Hamas admits five of its fighters were killed, but the Israelis using live ammunition on unarmed people is plain wrong.

[Sandydragon]

So Corbyn has deleted his personal Facebook profile after weeks of criticism. Apparently he was added to various groups without his knowledge, which to be fair is bollocks but it will keep this core support happy.

Going by polls and numerous uttering, at best his core support think it’s all a MSM/establishment conspiracy to target him and at worst they just don’t give a s**t or actually agree with him.

They probably don’t care a jot. But if normal people who might be tempted to vote labour realise what a bunch of abhorrent scum bags the leadership is, then that’s all to the good.

Racism isn’t acceptable, in any form.

[rowan]

I’m curious how you excuse your own behaviour when discussing Assad or Putin. You have excused the use of WMDs and wide scale war crimes so to call others racist, cowardly etc is a bit rich from a fully paid up propaganda hack.

And for the record, I’m excusing the Israeli government nothing. Their policy of preventing border incursions is ludicrous and bound to lead to incidents like this. I do t believe for one second that all the Palestinians were unarmed when Hamas admits five of its fighters were killed, but the Israelis using live ammunition on unarmed people is plain wrong.


Actually it is you who is blaming leaders of foreign nations for WMD attacks when there is no tangible evidence against them. Quite the contrary, in fact. The evidence points mostly to NATO allies, but you choose to excuse that because it doesn't fit your own prejudices. You obviously loathe Russians. You obviously loathe Arabs. Otherwise you would not go along with the obvious warmongering propaganda so easily. In fact, the WMD attacks in Syria have been traced back to a prominent NATO member. You wouldn't know that, because the propaganda you receive in your part of the world doesn't tell you this. So if the shoe fits . . .

Regarding Israel, what happened yesterday was a moral outrage comparable to the Sharpesville Massacre and Bloody Sunday. Did you also suggest at the time that, well, the protesters were not all unarmed? Did you also manage to find out that a few ANC or IRA members were harmed? Was that to the forefront of your observations when those horrendous crimes against humanity were carried out. I think what is to the forefront of most people's observations right now is the fact that 17 youths were mowed down by Israeli snipers, and video clips are all over the internet right now showing that they were unarmed and running for their lives, while one was simply kneeling in prayer.

We also have the case of Ahed Tamimi featuring prominently in the news over here at present; a girl who was imprisoned for eight months for slapping a soldier who trespassed on her property shortly after Israeli soldiers had shot one of her cousins. & there are many other cases just like hers. So defence of Israel in any manner or form, including attempts to divert attention from these issues, is not only racist, cowardly and immoral, it is also blatantly sexist.

[Sandydragon]

I’m curious how you excuse your own behaviour when discussing Assad or Putin. You have excused the use of WMDs and wide scale war crimes so to call others racist, cowardly etc is a bit rich from a fully paid up propaganda hack.

And for the record, I’m excusing the Israeli government nothing. Their policy of preventing border incursions is ludicrous and bound to lead to incidents like this. I do t believe for one second that all the Palestinians were unarmed when Hamas admits five of its fighters were killed, but the Israelis using live ammunition on unarmed people is plain wrong.


Actually it is you who is blaming leaders of foreign nations for WMD attacks when there is no tangible evidence against them. Quite the contrary, in fact. The evidence points mostly to NATO allies, but you choose to excuse that because it doesn't fit your own prejudices. You obviously loathe Russians. You obviously loathe Arabs. Otherwise you would not go along with the obvious warmongering propaganda so easily. In fact, the WMD attacks in Syria have been traced back to a prominent NATO member. You wouldn't know that, because the propaganda you receive in your part of the world doesn't tell you this. So if the shoe fits . . .

Regarding Israel, what happened yesterday was a moral outrage comparable to the Sharpesville Massacre and Bloody Sunday. Did you also suggest at the time that, well, the protesters were not all unarmed? Did you also manage to find out that a few ANC or IRA members were harmed? Was that to the forefront of your observations when those horrendous crimes against humanity were carried out. I think what is to the forefront of most people's observations right now is the fact that 17 youths were mowed down by Israeli snipers, and video clips are all over the internet right now showing that they were unarmed and running for their lives, while one was simply kneeling in prayer.

We also have the case of Ahed Tamimi featuring prominently in the news over here at present; a girl who was imprisoned for eight months for slapping a soldier who trespassed on her property shortly after Israeli soldiers had shot one of her cousins. & there are many other cases just like hers. So defence of Israel in any manner or form, including attempts to divert attention from these issues, is not only racist, cowardly and immoral, it is also blatantly sexist.

I think you might find that the UN disagrees with you about the culpability for WMD incident sin Syria. It’s only those gullible enough to believe RT who might think otherwise.

And this thread was diverted onto Corbyn long ago so frankly it ain’t me diverting it. I do take exception to your hypocrisy though given your track record of excusing mass murder.

[Sandydragon]

So defending Israel in any form is racist, cowardly and now sexist?

Utter blocks. Only a complete bigot would think that there was only one side to the story or apportion blame 100%.

[rowan]

I don't believe RT and rarely watch it, but I do believe some of the people they interview on it. Just as I will believe some things which are printed in the Guardian, BBC, NY Times or Washington Post though it is well known these are warmongering propaganda sheets subservient to the whims of major corporations and government. The Americans themselves recently fessed up to the fact they have no evidence against Assad re the WMDs, and there is certainly no evidence against Russia. In fact, logic suggests that in both instances there would have been no motive. Cui bono? Those who seek to demonize them - clearly. & those who seek to divert attention from their own horrendous war crimes - which includes the destruction of Syria. So my stance is simply innocent until proved guilty. It is you who is making the unsubstantiated accusations. Undoubtedly you would have believe the accusations against Saddam as well, & we know those lies led to: The greatest war crime of the 21st century with 2.4 million dead and millions more lives destroyed. But just go on preaching to the rest of us . . .

So defending Israel in any form is racist, cowardly and now sexist?

Utter blocks. Only a complete bigot would think that there was only one side to the story or apportion blame 100%.

Did you say the same about the Apartheid regime in South Africa? Were both sides to blame there? If so, that would clearly make you the bigot. You're very good at accusing others of precisely those vices you demonstrate so obviously yourself. Where there is an occupying force oppressing and routinely massacring & ethnically cleansing a native population, you don't talk about both sides in apportioning blame. One is brutal colonization, the other is native resistance.

[Zhivago]

So Corbyn has deleted his personal Facebook profile after weeks of criticism. Apparently he was added to various groups without his knowledge, which to be fair is bollocks but it will keep this core support happy.

How is it bollocks?

[Zhivago]

So Corbyn has deleted his personal Facebook profile after weeks of criticism. Apparently he was added to various groups without his knowledge, which to be fair is bollocks but it will keep this core support happy.

Going by polls and numerous uttering, at best his core support think it’s all a MSM/establishment conspiracy to target him and at worst they just don’t give a s**t or actually agree with him.

They probably don’t care a jot. But if normal people who might be tempted to vote labour realise what a bunch of abhorrent scum bags the leadership is, then that’s all to the good.

Racism isn’t acceptable, in any form.

You know that the media has zero credibility for very valid reasons. They have not been subtle with their attacks, and every time they screech hysterically they undermine themselves further. It's basically the boy who cried wolf... It was clear that it was a load of bullshit when they claimed he was a terrorist lover and a commie spy, now he's basically an antisemitic Nazi? No wonder people have become inured to such extreme messages.

[kk67]

Alan Sugar (I'm not giving him his honorific ),......to see him moaning about anti-Semitism is just the fecking apex of brass neck.
Guys like Sugar will f*ck anyone for profit. You can't have knuts like that playing the race card.

And lest we forget,.....the Daily Mail supported the Nazis. Some might claim they still do.

[rowan]

Netanyahu needed a massacre to smokescreen his political scandals.



https://israelpalestinenews.org/videos- ... aying-etc/

[Sandydragon]

Going by polls and numerous uttering, at best his core support think it’s all a MSM/establishment conspiracy to target him and at worst they just don’t give a s**t or actually agree with him.

They probably don’t care a jot. But if normal people who might be tempted to vote labour realise what a bunch of abhorrent scum bags the leadership is, then that’s all to the good.

Racism isn’t acceptable, in any form.

You know that the media has zero credibility for very valid reasons. They have not been subtle with their attacks, and every time they screech hysterically they undermine themselves further. It's basically the boy who cried wolf... It was clear that it was a load of bullshit when they claimed he was a terrorist lover and a commie spy, now he's basically an antisemitic Nazi? No wonder people have become inured to such extreme messages.

Zero credibility? Putting to one side the red tops and Daily Mail, most of the rest have highlighted his past fairly. Unless it’s all lies about him meeting terrorists, etc? I think not. His own record speaks for itself, it doesn’t need anyone to embellish it.

Corbyn has had many opportunities to stamp on thout Antisemitism inhis party. He has failed. The worst are those closest to him. Corbyn sown views might be very different, but he isn’t gripping the problem. I notice that labours membership has dropped in the past week as a result of this and the Russian poisoning. It’s obvious there is a problem yet there is a real failure of leadership.