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So, who is the form Welsh 10 at the moment?

Biggar - gone off the boil, but has started to look like his old self
Anscombe - just a glimmer of what he has to offer against the Scarlets, but otherwise meh
Priestland - got the Wales backline moving against the Saes and nearly brought home the bacon. Nearly.
Sam Davies - looking more and more like the real deal to me - another year behind Biggar and he may challenge
Patchell - heading to the graveyard for outside halves next season, but may get a chance to shine given there is no competition
Hooky - been in outstanding form at Glaws - you can't write him off
Nipper Morgan - fifteen is where he will shine
Owen Williams - not seen anything that would suggest he's ready for a step up
McShingler - may get an opportunity to prove himself at Cardiff when Anscombe is away with the national squad

Anyone else catching the eye?
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I thought the Glaws folks were a bit meh about Hooky?

Patchell may rue leaving the Blues the way they seem to be heading, but with Wellies as coach, getting games at 10 and with a decent backline I hope he can only get better and betterer. Also will be interresting to see if there to anything in Anscombe if the Blues do kick on.

Unless Biggar pulls back some I'd give the shirt back to Priestland. Priestland with Anscombe on the bench if we played tomorrow. Would like to see Sam Davies tried on the bench in the future though, see how he takes to the big boy's game with a little less time and space on his hands. And Patchell breathing down everyone's necks by the end of next season if not before.

Hopefully have 4 good 10s competing for the shirt over the next couple of years. The rest are also rans :)
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Anscombe is probably the form 10. Priestland is warming the bench now Ford is back, ditto Sam Davies with Biggar. McShingler's place kicking is inconsistent, a decent cover player perhaps but unlikely to get near the Wales squad again imo.

The one thing I've learnt over the last two weeks is Anscombe can play 10 better than 15 after all.
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People have short memories. It's only a few months ago during the world cup where Biggar was in excellent form. He might not have had the best Six Nations, but it's difficult to shine at 10 when the whole team is playing poorly.

He's far more consistent than any of the other players mentioned, but I would agree with some that there are players who are better at getting the backs going in attack.
I like the idea of playing a second playmaker at 15 but don't think Priestland or Anscombe are up to it aerialy or defensively. Patchell if he'd have stayed at the Blues and played 15 might have been that player, but think he has a lot of potential and if Jones can get his game management to mature at the Scarlets he could be one hell of a player.
For me the 10 with the most potential to unlock the potency of the Welsh backs is Sam Davies. Would love to see what he could do with Jaw, Foxy, North and Liam outside him. For me it's still a year or so too early for him. He needs to mature a little more physicaly, and get a bit more game time to iron out the odd mistake.
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In the tight games, Biggar is still our best bet. I wish he had a bit more about him with ball in hand, but he is Mr Reliable. Sam Davies is looking like the enhanced version, but as pointed out below is still a work in progress.

Anscombe has the makings of a tidy 10 in attack; defensively Im not so sure and lets see how he does when the pack isn't so dominant. At least we are starting to see what all the fuss was about - a full back though he is not in my opinion.

Priestland is still potentially our best fly half, but can also be our worst. He seems to be getting some confidence back and was very good against England in that second half; but also had better ball than Biggar did. I think its fair to suggest that he is a better passer of the ball than Biggar and gets his backline moving better.

Hooky is now history regardless of how well he plays. Unless Gatland et al leave tomorrow (or we have a backline crisis), his international career is over.

Patchell is perhaps a better 15 or even centre in my opinion, but is determined to play fly half. Defensively he looks a bit slack at times, but can certainly move the ball and offers a real running threat.

For the NZ tour, its still Biggar and Priestland for me. With his range of kicking out of hand and ability to control the back line, I think Sam Davies, if he continues as he is, will be the player to make the Welsh shirt his own. Probably before the next RWC.
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cadofyddol wrote:People have short memories. It's only a few months ago during the world cup where Biggar was in excellent form. He might not have had the best Six Nations, but it's difficult to shine at 10 when the whole team is playing poorly.

He's far more consistent than any of the other players mentioned, but I would agree with some that there are players who are better at getting the backs going in attack.
I like the idea of playing a second playmaker at 15 but don't think Priestland or Anscombe are up to it aerialy or defensively. Patchell if he'd have stayed at the Blues and played 15 might have been that player, but think he has a lot of potential and if Jones can get his game management to mature at the Scarlets he could be one hell of a player.
For me the 10 with the most potential to unlock the potency of the Welsh backs is Sam Davies. Would love to see what he could do with Jaw, Foxy, North and Liam outside him. For me it's still a year or so too early for him. He needs to mature a little more physicaly, and get a bit more game time to iron out the odd mistake.
I've never been a massive fan of Biggar tbh, I think he is very solid and good at fielding up and unders, he doesn't bring the backline into play like Preistland, Davies or Hook. The problem is the other options aren't anywhere near as consistent as Biggar when it comes to place kicking, if Halfpenny was fit I would have Priestland at 10 on the strength of his most recent performances.
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UKHamlet wrote:So, who is the form Welsh 10 at the moment?

Biggar - gone off the boil, but has started to look like his old self
Anscombe - just a glimmer of what he has to offer against the Scarlets, but otherwise meh
Priestland - got the Wales backline moving against the Saes and nearly brought home the bacon. Nearly.
Sam Davies - looking more and more like the real deal to me - another year behind Biggar and he may challenge
Patchell - heading to the graveyard for outside halves next season, but may get a chance to shine given there is no competition
Hooky - been in outstanding form at Glaws - you can't write him off
Nipper Morgan - fifteen is where he will shine
Owen Williams - not seen anything that would suggest he's ready for a step up
McShingler - may get an opportunity to prove himself at Cardiff when Anscombe is away with the national squad

Anyone else catching the eye?
Not watch much AP?!? Just run a backline that put a spanking on glos.....
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Stooo wrote:
UKHamlet wrote:So, who is the form Welsh 10 at the moment?

Biggar - gone off the boil, but has started to look like his old self
Anscombe - just a glimmer of what he has to offer against the Scarlets, but otherwise meh
Priestland - got the Wales backline moving against the Saes and nearly brought home the bacon. Nearly.
Sam Davies - looking more and more like the real deal to me - another year behind Biggar and he may challenge
Patchell - heading to the graveyard for outside halves next season, but may get a chance to shine given there is no competition
Hooky - been in outstanding form at Glaws - you can't write him off
Nipper Morgan - fifteen is where he will shine
Owen Williams - not seen anything that would suggest he's ready for a step up
McShingler - may get an opportunity to prove himself at Cardiff when Anscombe is away with the national squad

Anyone else catching the eye?
Not watch much AP?!? Just run a backline that put a spanking on glos.....
I don't have Sky, so I have to wait for the ITV highlights. I'll be watching it tonight.
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He'd be the one I'd be taking to NZ behind Biggar imo.

I love the idea of Anscombe playing as a 2nd 5/8 though.
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Stooo wrote:He'd be the one I'd be taking to NZ behind Biggar imo.

I love the idea of Anscombe playing as a 2nd 5/8 though.
Well, he must have improved considerably over the Owen Williams I've seen stumble his way through the rest of the season.
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UKHamlet wrote:
Stooo wrote:He'd be the one I'd be taking to NZ behind Biggar imo.

I love the idea of Anscombe playing as a 2nd 5/8 though.
Well, he must have improved considerably over the Owen Williams I've seen stumble his way through the rest of the season.
Must be as he was out for 4 months...
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Stooo wrote:He'd be the one I'd be taking to NZ behind Biggar imo.

I love the idea of Anscombe playing as a 2nd 5/8 though.
I'd prefer them the other way around for defensive purposes as Williams has played a fair bit at 12 as I recall.
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Stooo wrote:
UKHamlet wrote:
Stooo wrote:He'd be the one I'd be taking to NZ behind Biggar imo.

I love the idea of Anscombe playing as a 2nd 5/8 though.
Well, he must have improved considerably over the Owen Williams I've seen stumble his way through the rest of the season.
Must be as he was out for 4 months...
And returned in Dec ...
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UKHamlet wrote:
Stooo wrote:
UKHamlet wrote:
Well, he must have improved considerably over the Owen Williams I've seen stumble his way through the rest of the season.
Must be as he was out for 4 months...
And returned in Dec ...
He got injured early January, and came back early March IIRC.
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cadofyddol wrote:
UKHamlet wrote:
Stooo wrote:
Must be as he was out for 4 months...
And returned in Dec ...
He got injured early January, and came back early March IIRC.
Injury prone then. He was out for the end of last season too. That's one of the problems with the meat grinder league, they chew up fragile players.
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Biggar is very consistent, a great goal-kicker and fantastic under high ball. He's perfect for Gatball, but (hence) doesn't play aggressively enough. He's a very safe pair of hands though.
I'd have liked to have seen more of Priestland in the 6N. What we saw was very good, but it's too little to go on. Hopefully he's got his place kicking sorted out now, but that's largely irrelevant with 1/2p coming back.
Sam Davies is looking very promising indeed, quite different from Biggar. Hopefully he can get into the squad from now on.
Anscombe is definitely a safe pair of hands, but we've yet to see much more than this at international level.
Patchell has shown a lot of promise, but not consistently. Hope he can step up a level at the Scarlets.
I haven't seen anything of Nipper, Hooky or Owen Williams at 10, so I'm not in any position to judge. Clearly Hook will not get selected while there are 3 other fit 10s in Wales, no matter what. I'd like to think that Gatland is keeping tabs on Williams, but he's in England so who knows?
For the tour, I'd take Biggar, Priestland and Davies* as our 10s, in that order of preference. I'd be ready to replace Biggar with Priestland early in the second half of a match if things aren't going well. It's probably too early for Davies, but he should be given a run our in the mid-week match.

*However if Owen IS playing brilliantly for Leicester, he would get the nod over Davies.
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Anscombe is nailed on to go, but maybe you were considering him at fullback?
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Whilst I don't disagree with priestlands ability to stand flat and fire a sharp accurate pass, it's a little disingenuous to berate biggar for not getting backs into play when the game plan and alignment of backs is significantly different when priestland is brought on for Wales.
Sam is an exciting prospect but he is still a bit willowy for a full International. Hopefully he can put on a few pounds in the off season. He doesn't lack courage or technique when tackling, but he will struggle and be targeted unless he can get some ballast....without affecting his agility too much.
Anscombe, I'm not sure at all about. I have the feeling he will be another Iestyn Harris.

The rest are miles away .
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Handyosprey wrote:Whilst I don't disagree with priestlands ability to stand flat and fire a sharp accurate pass, it's a little disingenuous to berate biggar for not getting backs into play when the game plan and alignment of backs is significantly different when priestland is brought on for Wales.
Sam is an exciting prospect but he is still a bit willowy for a full International. Hopefully he can put on a few pounds in the off season. He doesn't lack courage or technique when tackling, but he will struggle and be targeted unless he can get some ballast....without affecting his agility too much.
Anscombe, I'm not sure at all about. I have the feeling he will be another Iestyn Harris.

The rest are miles away .
I think that's a fair assessment. Biggar is a solid, if unspectacular player, who is a bloody great kicker from both the tee and the hand. To be fair, I doubt it would matter what game plan was put into place, Biggar wouldn't get his backline moving, that's just not his game and we shouldn't berate him for it. He's been a bit off form, but that happens. Meanwhile Priestland has had the pressure taken off him by being second string for both club and country. If we could somehow inculcate Priestland with Biggar's will to win and steady nerve, he would be some player. As it is, he's lacking in some respects, which is a shame, because he's the most talented 10 we have.

Patchell and Davies are a bit raw, but good development will see them coming through in time for the next RWC. Anscombe is improving, but he's never going to be top flight, just a bit better than a regional standard flyhalf, so good enough to fill the holes. He's shown some good touches recently, but then again, so did Tovey.
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Biggar needs to expand his game like Owen Farrell has.
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Doorzetbornandbred wrote:Biggar needs to expand his game like Owen Farrell has.
So what you mean is he needs to pretend to whack off his index finger when he scores?
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Nipper right off it. A shocker against Moseley (very lucky not to have thrown game away with awful interception) does not a touring 10 make. In fact, scrap the touring bit.
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Handyosprey wrote:Whilst I don't disagree with priestlands ability to stand flat and fire a sharp accurate pass, it's a little disingenuous to berate biggar for not getting backs into play when the game plan and alignment of backs is significantly different when priestland is brought on for Wales.
Sam is an exciting prospect but he is still a bit willowy for a full International. Hopefully he can put on a few pounds in the off season. He doesn't lack courage or technique when tackling, but he will struggle and be targeted unless he can get some ballast....without affecting his agility too much.
Anscombe, I'm not sure at all about. I have the feeling he will be another Iestyn Harris.

The rest are miles away .
Sam Davies is about the same size/build as Finn Russell, who has done very well for Scotland, or Anscombe. Sure - he not large , but seems tough enough He has some lovely footballing skills and probably greater potential than any other to get the Welsh threequarters going.
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Spiffy wrote:
Handyosprey wrote:Whilst I don't disagree with priestlands ability to stand flat and fire a sharp accurate pass, it's a little disingenuous to berate biggar for not getting backs into play when the game plan and alignment of backs is significantly different when priestland is brought on for Wales.
Sam is an exciting prospect but he is still a bit willowy for a full International. Hopefully he can put on a few pounds in the off season. He doesn't lack courage or technique when tackling, but he will struggle and be targeted unless he can get some ballast....without affecting his agility too much.
Anscombe, I'm not sure at all about. I have the feeling he will be another Iestyn Harris.

The rest are miles away .
Sam Davies is about the same size/build as Finn Russell, who has done very well for Scotland, or Anscombe. Sure - he not large , but seems tough enough He has some lovely footballing skills and probably greater potential than any other to get the Welsh threequarters going.
No he isn't, don't believe the stats on the Ospreys website, if Sam Davies is 13st 9lbs then I must be Billy Vunipola.
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Numbers wrote:
Spiffy wrote:
Handyosprey wrote:Whilst I don't disagree with priestlands ability to stand flat and fire a sharp accurate pass, it's a little disingenuous to berate biggar for not getting backs into play when the game plan and alignment of backs is significantly different when priestland is brought on for Wales.
Sam is an exciting prospect but he is still a bit willowy for a full International. Hopefully he can put on a few pounds in the off season. He doesn't lack courage or technique when tackling, but he will struggle and be targeted unless he can get some ballast....without affecting his agility too much.
Anscombe, I'm not sure at all about. I have the feeling he will be another Iestyn Harris.

The rest are miles away .
Sam Davies is about the same size/build as Finn Russell, who has done very well for Scotland, or Anscombe. Sure - he not large , but seems tough enough He has some lovely footballing skills and probably greater potential than any other to get the Welsh threequarters going.
No he isn't, don't believe the stats on the Ospreys website, if Sam Davies is 13st 9lbs then I must be Billy Vunipola.
Have you see that little 20 year old Daimian McKenzie ripping it up with the Chiefs in Super Rugby this season - all 12.5 st of him! Good defender too. If you haven't, check him out on YouTube.
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