Anti-Russian rhetoric

[Sandydragon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46416038

Am I missing something here?

The 'official sensitive' report was leaked to the Mail on Sunday with all the details, but why didn't the security at the top secret military base challenge the guy and cameraman after they tried to gain access? Perhaps the security wasn't aware that they were working at a top secret site, so when a couple of Russians try to gain access, they thought nothing of it? Apparently, the Russian fellas were repeatedly tracked on CCTV whilst they were 'spying' on the secret military base, so I don't understand why the police weren't called as a matter of national security? It's not like there's any reason to be a bit suspicious of Russian activity at top secret military intelligence sites at the moment.

Instead, the public have been warned to be on their guard for suspicious activity near military bases.

It's like the propaganda campaigns that did the rounds in WW2.

Where does it say that he tried to gain access? Hanging around outside isn’t necessarily an offence and it’s prpbbaly public land. Security personnel will be warned not to give a propaganda scoop to the Russian media by challenging them on public land.

[WaspInWales]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46416038

Am I missing something here?

The 'official sensitive' report was leaked to the Mail on Sunday with all the details, but why didn't the security at the top secret military base challenge the guy and cameraman after they tried to gain access? Perhaps the security wasn't aware that they were working at a top secret site, so when a couple of Russians try to gain access, they thought nothing of it? Apparently, the Russian fellas were repeatedly tracked on CCTV whilst they were 'spying' on the secret military base, so I don't understand why the police weren't called as a matter of national security? It's not like there's any reason to be a bit suspicious of Russian activity at top secret military intelligence sites at the moment.

Instead, the public have been warned to be on their guard for suspicious activity near military bases.

It's like the propaganda campaigns that did the rounds in WW2.

Where does it say that he tried to gain access? Hanging around outside isn’t necessarily an offence and it’s prpbbaly public land. Security personnel will be warned not to give a propaganda scoop to the Russian media by challenging them on public land.

The Beeb article lnks to the Daily Mail site which includes some more info including this:

[Sandydragon]

Thanks for that. So the Russians tried to gain access and were refused. They then filmed a story from outside.

The attachment is very routine and it’s clearlu trying to make sure that military personnel aren’t caught on camera by this lot. All very reasonable, not sure I see the problem.

[WaspInWales]

Thanks for that. So the Russians tried to gain access and were refused. They then filmed a story from outside.

The attachment is very routine and it’s clearlu trying to make sure that military personnel aren’t caught on camera by this lot. All very reasonable, not sure I see the problem.

Why the need to warn the public with calls of espionage and the need to report anything suspicious?

It's clear Russia wanted this to make the headlines and they got what they wanted. The reporter has since denied trying to gain access:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46420486

Again, more headlines for them.

It seems to me that we have perhaps overreacted to Russian 'fake news' wummery.

We've given them what they wanted, at the same time as potentially increasing public apprehension.

[Sandydragon]

The document is Official Sensitive, it wasn’t supposed to be released. This was internal only and someclown sent it to the media.

The press will do what it will do there after, and the government has had to respond.

For th record, we used to see a fair number of these every month. Usually warning of some nutter with a military fixation. Th y shouldn’t be released to the press, someone has been a bit naughty.

[WaspInWales]

It wouldn't surprise me if the leak was authorised from high up.

It seems we have daily news of Russia as the enemy, or cause of most bad things happening in the world.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting for a second that Russia are innocent in any way, but it kinda feels like the public are being conditioned at the moment.

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[Sandydragon]

It wouldn't surprise me if the leak was authorised from high up.

It seems we have daily news of Russia as the enemy, or cause of most bad things happening in the world.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting for a second that Russia are innocent in any way, but it kinda feels like the public are being conditioned at the moment.

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I think you might be seeing a false dawn here. That alert would go out to dozen subs units and be read by thousands. A leak could occur any where and the governments comments seem like the sort of response when asked a direct question by the media on unit security.

[WaspInWales]

It wouldn't surprise me if the leak was authorised from high up.

It seems we have daily news of Russia as the enemy, or cause of most bad things happening in the world.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting for a second that Russia are innocent in any way, but it kinda feels like the public are being conditioned at the moment.

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I think you might be seeing a false dawn here. That alert would go out to dozen subs units and be read by thousands. A leak could occur any where and the governments comments seem like the sort of response when asked a direct question by the media on unit security.

Not sure about a false dawn, possibly more of a false-false flag...although that would surely make a positive flag

My general distrust of the media doesn't help with forming my opinion, and there definitely seems to be a trend of Russia in the news.

Either way, if it was officially 'leaked', or otherwise by any one along the chain of command, the media hasn't let me down with its reporting. Even the 'expert' analysis in the DM was on point about espionage, the Cold War and Putin 'spoiling for a fight'.

[Digby]

What trend over Russia, especially when for all the crap Russia is getting coverage for that man was stood near a base barely merits any mention?

[WaspInWales]

What trend over Russia, especially when for all the crap Russia is getting coverage for that man was stood near a base barely merits any mention?

That's my point. Is it a story? Is it newsworthy? Was it really a threat to our national security? If so, why wasn't police action taken? Yet we're being told to report anything suspicious, to be on our guard and experts are telling us that there are spies among us. It just stinks of fear mongering.

I have to choose my words carefully here as I don't want to be labelled an apologist for Putin or Russia. I'm aware of what they have done in terms of human rights abuses, election meddaling, Salisbury, etc, etc, but at the same time, I don't think our government, and other western governments are without blame for shit happening elsewhere.

Anyway, I digress...my initial point was about the propaganda style news reporting on anything Russia...which I'm sure is matched over there to anything 'we' do.

[Digby]

What trend over Russia, especially when for all the crap Russia is getting coverage for that man was stood near a base barely merits any mention?

That's my point. Is it a story? Is it newsworthy? Was it really a threat to our national security? If so, why wasn't police action taken? Yet we're being told to report anything suspicious, to be on our guard and experts are telling us that there are spies among us. It just stinks of fear mongering.

I have to choose my words carefully here as I don't want to be labelled an apologist for Putin or Russia. I'm aware of what they have done in terms of human rights abuses, election meddaling, Salisbury, etc, etc, but at the same time, I don't think our government, and other western governments are without blame for shit happening elsewhere.

Anyway, I digress...my initial point was about the propaganda style news reporting on anything Russia...which I'm sure is matched over there to anything 'we' do.

Anyone sort of protest near a military base is I guess worthy of a news story, still more so when the country in question keeps invading our airspace, our seas and undertakes cyber attacks on us. That said you seem to be focusing more on this story than seems worthwhile, Noel getting kicked off I'm a celebrity will be getting vastly more coverage, so much so even I know the name of one of the contestants

[Which Tyler]

What trend over Russia, especially when for all the crap Russia is getting coverage for that man was stood near a base barely merits any mention?

Be fair - Russia being naughty really has been in the news a fair bit over the last few years.
Whether it's anexing the Crimea; poisoning people in Salisbury; Meddling in British and American elections; aupporting Assad; sending warships down the Channel; playing Trump like a puppet; Getting ready to invade the rest of the Ukraine...


I'm sure it's all media noise though.

[Digby]

What trend over Russia, especially when for all the crap Russia is getting coverage for that man was stood near a base barely merits any mention?

Be fair - Russia being naughty really has been in the news a fair bit over the last few years.
Whether it's anexing the Crimea; poisoning people in Salisbury; Meddling in British and American elections; aupporting Assad; sending warships down the Channel; playing Trump like a puppet; Getting ready to invade the rest of the Ukraine...


I'm sure it's all media noise though.

That's not a trend in reporting on Russia which is what I inferred the comment to be about, that's just reporting news like dropping barrel bombs on civilians or covering up chemical weapons attacks, or murdering government opponents even if they're simply journalists reporting corruption, or state sponsored doping, or...

[WaspInWales]

What trend over Russia, especially when for all the crap Russia is getting coverage for that man was stood near a base barely merits any mention?

That's my point. Is it a story? Is it newsworthy? Was it really a threat to our national security? If so, why wasn't police action taken? Yet we're being told to report anything suspicious, to be on our guard and experts are telling us that there are spies among us. It just stinks of fear mongering.

I have to choose my words carefully here as I don't want to be labelled an apologist for Putin or Russia. I'm aware of what they have done in terms of human rights abuses, election meddaling, Salisbury, etc, etc, but at the same time, I don't think our government, and other western governments are without blame for shit happening elsewhere.

Anyway, I digress...my initial point was about the propaganda style news reporting on anything Russia...which I'm sure is matched over there to anything 'we' do.

Anyone sort of protest near a military base is I guess worthy of a news story, still more so when the country in question keeps invading our airspace, our seas and undertakes cyber attacks on us. That said you seem to be focusing more on this story than seems worthwhile, Noel getting kicked off I'm a celebrity will be getting vastly more coverage, so much so even I know the name of one of the contestants

I know, I know...one of the Jones brothers got married too

[Digby]

That's my point. Is it a story? Is it newsworthy? Was it really a threat to our national security? If so, why wasn't police action taken? Yet we're being told to report anything suspicious, to be on our guard and experts are telling us that there are spies among us. It just stinks of fear mongering.

I have to choose my words carefully here as I don't want to be labelled an apologist for Putin or Russia. I'm aware of what they have done in terms of human rights abuses, election meddaling, Salisbury, etc, etc, but at the same time, I don't think our government, and other western governments are without blame for shit happening elsewhere.

Anyway, I digress...my initial point was about the propaganda style news reporting on anything Russia...which I'm sure is matched over there to anything 'we' do.

Anyone sort of protest near a military base is I guess worthy of a news story, still more so when the country in question keeps invading our airspace, our seas and undertakes cyber attacks on us. That said you seem to be focusing more on this story than seems worthwhile, Noel getting kicked off I'm a celebrity will be getting vastly more coverage, so much so even I know the name of one of the contestants

I know, I know...one of the Jones brothers got married too

I am relieved to find I don't know anything about the Jones brothers, not full names, occupation, who they're marrying, though I do know there are people called Jones

[WaspInWales]

Anyone sort of protest near a military base is I guess worthy of a news story, still more so when the country in question keeps invading our airspace, our seas and undertakes cyber attacks on us. That said you seem to be focusing more on this story than seems worthwhile, Noel getting kicked off I'm a celebrity will be getting vastly more coverage, so much so even I know the name of one of the contestants

I know, I know...one of the Jones brothers got married too

I am relieved to find I don't know anything about the Jones brothers, not full names, occupation, who they're marrying, though I do know there are people called Jones

Oh ffs, one of the Jonas brothers

[Digby]

I know, I know...one of the Jones brothers got married too

I am relieved to find I don't know anything about the Jones brothers, not full names, occupation, who they're marrying, though I do know there are people called Jones

Oh ffs, one of the Jonas brothers

Delighted again this means nothing to me

[WaspInWales]

I can't even blame auto-correct for that as I'm on the PC.

Perhaps it's a Freudian slip from living in Wales for this long? Jones, Jonas, Jesus...it's all the same in the valleys

[WaspInWales]

I am relieved to find I don't know anything about the Jones brothers, not full names, occupation, who they're marrying, though I do know there are people called Jones

Oh ffs, one of the Jonas brothers

Delighted again this means nothing to me

He was in a boy band my daughter used to listen to about 10 years ago....still topical as his marriage to a Bollywood star has made the headlines.

[Digby]

I can't even blame auto-correct for that as I'm on the PC.

Perhaps it's a Freudian slip from living in Wales for this long? Jones, Jonas, Jesus...it's all the same in the valleys

I have heard they're mad for alliteration, having googled them it's possible I've heard them, which I too would blame on my daughter, but it happily doesn't ring a bell