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Yeah, I'd thought it was an unhappy triad, but no, he had to go and add more ligament damage to it!
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Wonder who it was that got over excited when tackling him?
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Rumours were ColeFreddo wrote:Wonder who it was that got over excited when tackling him?
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The same Dan Cole that was with Leicester for Training?padprop wrote:Rumours were ColeFreddo wrote:Wonder who it was that got over excited when tackling him?
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I think they're referring to Obano's injury.Tigersman wrote:The same Dan Cole that was with Leicester for Training?padprop wrote:Rumours were ColeFreddo wrote:Wonder who it was that got over excited when tackling him?
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Some reason thought it was Genges injury.Puja wrote:I think they're referring to Obano's injury.Tigersman wrote: The same Dan Cole that was with Leicester for Training?
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Well if it was Cole he prob caused the injury by flopping on him such is his style.
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How much are the performances this season down to our improvement and how much down to the refs not just not penalising us but hardly penalising anyone?
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I give up, what's the answer?Digby wrote:How much are the performances this season down to our improvement and how much down to the refs not just not penalising us but hardly penalising anyone?
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42Banquo wrote:I give up, what's the answer?Digby wrote:How much are the performances this season down to our improvement and how much down to the refs not just not penalising us but hardly penalising anyone?
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Then the question is flawedMellsblue wrote:42Banquo wrote:I give up, what's the answer?Digby wrote:How much are the performances this season down to our improvement and how much down to the refs not just not penalising us but hardly penalising anyone?
Some notable changes from last season in how the game is being officiated, which has one wondering if we're getting a little ahead of ourselves praising our newly balanced backrow, at least in part
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Please elaborate.Digby wrote:Then the question is flawedMellsblue wrote:42Banquo wrote: I give up, what's the answer?
Some notable changes from last season in how the game is being officiated, which has one wondering if we're getting a little ahead of ourselves praising our newly balanced backrow, at least in part
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It's looking bloody hard work to get pinged as the attacking team at the breakdown, you really need to commit to it, which perhaps explains the recall for Cole.Banquo wrote:Please elaborate.Digby wrote:Then the question is flawedMellsblue wrote: 42
Some notable changes from last season in how the game is being officiated, which has one wondering if we're getting a little ahead of ourselves praising our newly balanced backrow, at least in part
Now part of that without doubt is our winning contact, and better clearouts and better presentation leading to faster ball which opponents can't contest which leads to.., which leads to and so on.
But we're not the only team getting pinged less on our own ball. And as I don't think everyone has improved with more dominant carries, and one thinks of Nowell not getting that turnover pen Vs Ireland, I'm going for the refs have made a big change on the quiet in a world cup year.
So far I think we're seeing our changes and the reffing changes both work in our favour, if the reffing switches back later this year I'm taking a cautious view of our progression this 6N
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Think it varies from ref to ref, though I have had the impression in a lot of NH games that players are allowed to hang on to the ball a bit longer.Digby wrote:It's looking bloody hard work to get pinged as the attacking team at the breakdown, you really need to commit to it, which perhaps explains the recall for Cole.Banquo wrote:Please elaborate.Digby wrote:
Then the question is flawed
Some notable changes from last season in how the game is being officiated, which has one wondering if we're getting a little ahead of ourselves praising our newly balanced backrow, at least in part
Now part of that without doubt is our winning contact, and better clearouts and better presentation leading to faster ball which opponents can't contest which leads to.., which leads to and so on.
But we're not the only team getting pinged less on our own ball. And as I don't think everyone has improved with more dominant carries, and one thinks of Nowell not getting that turnover pen Vs Ireland, I'm going for the refs have made a big change on the quiet in a world cup year.
So far I think we're seeing our changes and the reffing changes both work in our favour, if the reffing switches back later this year I'm taking a cautious view of our progression this 6N
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Where's Juggler when you need someone to put the stats up? I'm sure they're reffing games differently as a collective, but perhaps we've just had six games that happen to have played out as they did, or there's the slim chance I'm talking crapBanquo wrote:Think it varies from ref to ref, though I have had the impression in a lot of NH games that players are allowed to hang on to the ball a bit longer.Digby wrote:It's looking bloody hard work to get pinged as the attacking team at the breakdown, you really need to commit to it, which perhaps explains the recall for Cole.Banquo wrote: Please elaborate.
Now part of that without doubt is our winning contact, and better clearouts and better presentation leading to faster ball which opponents can't contest which leads to.., which leads to and so on.
But we're not the only team getting pinged less on our own ball. And as I don't think everyone has improved with more dominant carries, and one thinks of Nowell not getting that turnover pen Vs Ireland, I'm going for the refs have made a big change on the quiet in a world cup year.
So far I think we're seeing our changes and the reffing changes both work in our favour, if the reffing switches back later this year I'm taking a cautious view of our progression this 6N
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It wasn't just 6N games I was thinking about tbh.Digby wrote:Where's Juggler when you need someone to put the stats up? I'm sure they're reffing games differently as a collective, but perhaps we've just had six games that happen to have played out as they did, or there's the slim chance I'm talking crapBanquo wrote:Think it varies from ref to ref, though I have had the impression in a lot of NH games that players are allowed to hang on to the ball a bit longer.Digby wrote:
It's looking bloody hard work to get pinged as the attacking team at the breakdown, you really need to commit to it, which perhaps explains the recall for Cole.
Now part of that without doubt is our winning contact, and better clearouts and better presentation leading to faster ball which opponents can't contest which leads to.., which leads to and so on.
But we're not the only team getting pinged less on our own ball. And as I don't think everyone has improved with more dominant carries, and one thinks of Nowell not getting that turnover pen Vs Ireland, I'm going for the refs have made a big change on the quiet in a world cup year.
So far I think we're seeing our changes and the reffing changes both work in our favour, if the reffing switches back later this year I'm taking a cautious view of our progression this 6N
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I'm progressively watching less and less rugby, so will simply defer on the wider observation. It'll be like jumping into an ice bath if we suddenly get a fresh take in say the quarters (arrogantly assuming we'll progress out of our group for a change)Banquo wrote: It wasn't just 6N games I was thinking about tbh.
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Me too- just happened to watch more this weekend as ill. Must confess I don't really enjoy watching it as much as I used to, no idea why.....maybe simply that there is so much televised or streamed.Digby wrote:I'm progressively watching less and less rugby, so will simply defer on the wider observation. It'll be like jumping into an ice bath if we suddenly get a fresh take in say the quarters (arrogantly assuming we'll progress out of our group for a change)Banquo wrote: It wasn't just 6N games I was thinking about tbh.
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I simply enjoy it less with the increased league influence and shift toward being a collision over a contact sport. Whether it's reversible I've no idea, and certainly the authorities couldn't care less about straight feed at the scrum, binding at the ruck, defence having an incentive to contest rucks rather than fan out. Also family doesn't allow for spending quite as many hours drinking beer and watching rugbyBanquo wrote:Me too- just happened to watch more this weekend as ill. Must confess I don't really enjoy watching it as much as I used to, no idea why.....maybe simply that there is so much televised or streamed.Digby wrote:I'm progressively watching less and less rugby, so will simply defer on the wider observation. It'll be like jumping into an ice bath if we suddenly get a fresh take in say the quarters (arrogantly assuming we'll progress out of our group for a change)Banquo wrote: It wasn't just 6N games I was thinking about tbh.
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From my rewatches, I'd say you're right generally about the shift in the refereeing, but not about it benefitting England. It's been noticeable how quickly and effectively Curry and Wilson have been securing our ball and I can't remember an occasion where someone's latched on and I've thought we were lucky to escape a penalty. Whereas I can think of 3 for Curry alone.Digby wrote:It's looking bloody hard work to get pinged as the attacking team at the breakdown, you really need to commit to it, which perhaps explains the recall for Cole.Banquo wrote:Please elaborate.Digby wrote:
Then the question is flawed
Some notable changes from last season in how the game is being officiated, which has one wondering if we're getting a little ahead of ourselves praising our newly balanced backrow, at least in part
Now part of that without doubt is our winning contact, and better clearouts and better presentation leading to faster ball which opponents can't contest which leads to.., which leads to and so on.
But we're not the only team getting pinged less on our own ball. And as I don't think everyone has improved with more dominant carries, and one thinks of Nowell not getting that turnover pen Vs Ireland, I'm going for the refs have made a big change on the quiet in a world cup year.
So far I think we're seeing our changes and the reffing changes both work in our favour, if the reffing switches back later this year I'm taking a cautious view of our progression this 6N
It may just be the refs and the small sample size though - Owens always favours the attacking side so that's half the instances biased straight away.
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Now that I can agree withDigby wrote:I simply enjoy it less with the increased league influence and shift toward being a collision over a contact sport. Whether it's reversible I've no idea, and certainly the authorities couldn't care less about straight feed at the scrum, binding at the ruck, defence having an incentive to contest rucks rather than fan out. Also family doesn't allow for spending quite as many hours drinking beer and watching rugbyBanquo wrote:Me too- just happened to watch more this weekend as ill. Must confess I don't really enjoy watching it as much as I used to, no idea why.....maybe simply that there is so much televised or streamed.Digby wrote:
I'm progressively watching less and less rugby, so will simply defer on the wider observation. It'll be like jumping into an ice bath if we suddenly get a fresh take in say the quarters (arrogantly assuming we'll progress out of our group for a change)
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It's not just the breakdown, although even Robshaw would be fast to some of them given our go forward in contact, but less pens means less lineouts and that reduces the exposure on us being shorn a genuine backrow lineout presence. Maybe it's not only suiting us, but for now myriad elements are coming togetherPuja wrote:From my rewatches, I'd say you're right generally about the shift in the refereeing, but not about it benefitting England. It's been noticeable how quickly and effectively Curry and Wilson have been securing our ball and I can't remember an occasion where someone's latched on and I've thought we were lucky to escape a penalty. Whereas I can think of 3 for Curry alone.Digby wrote:It's looking bloody hard work to get pinged as the attacking team at the breakdown, you really need to commit to it, which perhaps explains the recall for Cole.Banquo wrote: Please elaborate.
Now part of that without doubt is our winning contact, and better clearouts and better presentation leading to faster ball which opponents can't contest which leads to.., which leads to and so on.
But we're not the only team getting pinged less on our own ball. And as I don't think everyone has improved with more dominant carries, and one thinks of Nowell not getting that turnover pen Vs Ireland, I'm going for the refs have made a big change on the quiet in a world cup year.
So far I think we're seeing our changes and the reffing changes both work in our favour, if the reffing switches back later this year I'm taking a cautious view of our progression this 6N
It may just be the refs and the small sample size though - Owens always favours the attacking side so that's half the instances biased straight away.
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Is the increased league influence offset or enhanced by the increased kicking? My watching enjoyment is falling off in direct proportion to the massively increased box-kicking. It is too often the SH default action. It's small wonder that passing skills are declining (whereas you'd expect them to improve with league influence?).Stom wrote:Now that I can agree withDigby wrote:I simply enjoy it less with the increased league influence and shift toward being a collision over a contact sport. Whether it's reversible I've no idea, and certainly the authorities couldn't care less about straight feed at the scrum, binding at the ruck, defence having an incentive to contest rucks rather than fan out. Also family doesn't allow for spending quite as many hours drinking beer and watching rugbyBanquo wrote: Me too- just happened to watch more this weekend as ill. Must confess I don't really enjoy watching it as much as I used to, no idea why.....maybe simply that there is so much televised or streamed.
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Yep, guess I'm the same- a lot of rugby has become dull. Definitely with you on applying the laws properly.Digby wrote:I simply enjoy it less with the increased league influence and shift toward being a collision over a contact sport. Whether it's reversible I've no idea, and certainly the authorities couldn't care less about straight feed at the scrum, binding at the ruck, defence having an incentive to contest rucks rather than fan out. Also family doesn't allow for spending quite as many hours drinking beer and watching rugbyBanquo wrote:Me too- just happened to watch more this weekend as ill. Must confess I don't really enjoy watching it as much as I used to, no idea why.....maybe simply that there is so much televised or streamed.Digby wrote:
I'm progressively watching less and less rugby, so will simply defer on the wider observation. It'll be like jumping into an ice bath if we suddenly get a fresh take in say the quarters (arrogantly assuming we'll progress out of our group for a change)
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yep, definitely on the kicking. Its so retro- its how Wales used to win their games in the early 60's .Oakboy wrote:Is the increased league influence offset or enhanced by the increased kicking? My watching enjoyment is falling off in direct proportion to the massively increased box-kicking. It is too often the SH default action. It's small wonder that passing skills are declining (whereas you'd expect them to improve with league influence?).Stom wrote:Now that I can agree withDigby wrote:
I simply enjoy it less with the increased league influence and shift toward being a collision over a contact sport. Whether it's reversible I've no idea, and certainly the authorities couldn't care less about straight feed at the scrum, binding at the ruck, defence having an incentive to contest rucks rather than fan out. Also family doesn't allow for spending quite as many hours drinking beer and watching rugby
Dwyer said any fool can coach a side to win through kicking....
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Banquo wrote:Yep, guess I'm the same- a lot of rugby has become dull. Definitely with you on applying the laws properly.Digby wrote:I simply enjoy it less with the increased league influence and shift toward being a collision over a contact sport. Whether it's reversible I've no idea, and certainly the authorities couldn't care less about straight feed at the scrum, binding at the ruck, defence having an incentive to contest rucks rather than fan out. Also family doesn't allow for spending quite as many hours drinking beer and watching rugbyBanquo wrote: Me too- just happened to watch more this weekend as ill. Must confess I don't really enjoy watching it as much as I used to, no idea why.....maybe simply that there is so much televised or streamed.
I'm watching less rugby too, primarily due to lack of time but I think I'd be watching less anyway.
I'm not sure all the foreign imports have helped. Tough one this because is it better that the likes of Le Roux and Louw are in the prem, I suppose it is. However, I'd love us to be talking about double the number of the Willis brothers, Ted Hill, Thorley etc.
I think too many random overseas players doesn't help... I want to be interested in the players if that makes sense...
I also wonder if in an ideal world, we wouldn't tear up the premiership and integrate with the rest of Europe in some way. English teams regularly heading to Thormond Park and Paris may spice life up a bit. As with the 6nations, throw in the country vs country element and it generally creates more drama.
Rambling now.