Should Aussie dump Cheika?
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Should Aussie dump Cheika?
On one hand, it doesn’t look like he’s making progress with either selections or a game plan. On the other hand, with only a handful of tests before the big dance, who could do better?
His tenure to date:
2014 NH tour: 1 from 4
2015 TRC: 3/3, champs
2015 Bledisloe II: lost
2015 warm up: 1/1
2015 RWC: 6/7, 2nd place
2016 Eng tour: 0/3
2016 TRC: 3/6, 2nd
2016 Bledisoe III: lost
2016 NH tour: 3/5
2017 June tour: 2/3
2017 TRC: 2 wins, 2 draws from 6, 2nd place
2017 Bledisloe III: won
2017 NH tour: 2/4
2018 Ireland tour: 1/3
2018 TRC: 1/5 so far, 3rd or last
His tenure to date:
2014 NH tour: 1 from 4
2015 TRC: 3/3, champs
2015 Bledisloe II: lost
2015 warm up: 1/1
2015 RWC: 6/7, 2nd place
2016 Eng tour: 0/3
2016 TRC: 3/6, 2nd
2016 Bledisoe III: lost
2016 NH tour: 3/5
2017 June tour: 2/3
2017 TRC: 2 wins, 2 draws from 6, 2nd place
2017 Bledisloe III: won
2017 NH tour: 2/4
2018 Ireland tour: 1/3
2018 TRC: 1/5 so far, 3rd or last
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
He's a decent coach as was Link before him, worrying about the coaches does seem to be focusing on the wrong thing and putting too much faith in the possibility of a coach being able to circumvent reality
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
Perhaps if he just worked on his stuck on whingey face and had a proper shave?
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
I see point about the cattle he’s got to work with, but he’s not even using them in a way likely to get the best from them.
On Super Rugby form, Beale was looking like the best 12 in the Southern Hemisphere but he’s put him at 10. Folau gives me the shits at fullback but on the wing he doesn’t get properly involved.
It all looks a bit “Christian Cullen at centre” doesn’t it?
Mind you I don’t know if Foley is the answer at 10 but who else is there?
On Super Rugby form, Beale was looking like the best 12 in the Southern Hemisphere but he’s put him at 10. Folau gives me the shits at fullback but on the wing he doesn’t get properly involved.
It all looks a bit “Christian Cullen at centre” doesn’t it?
Mind you I don’t know if Foley is the answer at 10 but who else is there?
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
Aussie have lost 5 of the 6 tests in which Folau started on the wing.
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
So this week, Beale gets to play at 12, meaning Foley at 10 and Toomua drops to the bench.
1. Scott Sio (50 Tests)
2. Folau Faingaa (4 Tests)
3. Taniela Tupou (7 Tests)
4. Izack Rodda (12 Tests)
5. Adam Coleman (27 Tests)
6. Ned Hanigan (16 Tests)
7. Michael Hooper (c) (86 Tests)
8. David Pocock (73 Tests)
9. Will Genia (95 Tests)
10. Bernard Foley (63 Tests)
11. Marika Koroibete (16 Tests)
12. Kurtley Beale (79 Tests)
13. Reece Hodge (32 Tests)
14. Israel Folau (68 Tests)
15. Dane Haylett-Petty (26 Tests)
Reserves
16. Tolu Latu (8 Tests)
17. Sekope Kepu (98 Tests)
18. Allan Alaalatoa (28 Tests)
19. Rob Simmons (89 Tests)
20. Rory Arnold (18 Tests)
21. Caleb Timu (2 Tests)
22. Nick Phipps (68 Tests)
23. Matt Toomua (38 Tests)
24. Tom Banks (2 Tests)
*one to be omitted
1. Scott Sio (50 Tests)
2. Folau Faingaa (4 Tests)
3. Taniela Tupou (7 Tests)
4. Izack Rodda (12 Tests)
5. Adam Coleman (27 Tests)
6. Ned Hanigan (16 Tests)
7. Michael Hooper (c) (86 Tests)
8. David Pocock (73 Tests)
9. Will Genia (95 Tests)
10. Bernard Foley (63 Tests)
11. Marika Koroibete (16 Tests)
12. Kurtley Beale (79 Tests)
13. Reece Hodge (32 Tests)
14. Israel Folau (68 Tests)
15. Dane Haylett-Petty (26 Tests)
Reserves
16. Tolu Latu (8 Tests)
17. Sekope Kepu (98 Tests)
18. Allan Alaalatoa (28 Tests)
19. Rob Simmons (89 Tests)
20. Rory Arnold (18 Tests)
21. Caleb Timu (2 Tests)
22. Nick Phipps (68 Tests)
23. Matt Toomua (38 Tests)
24. Tom Banks (2 Tests)
*one to be omitted
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
The ARU is apparently considering the position again, but alternatives must be a bit thin on the ground. Scott Johnson has been mentioned, and of course Jake White because Jake White.
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
Has John Kirwan now stopped throwing his hat into the ring for every single job?Lizard wrote:The ARU is apparently considering the position again, but alternatives must be a bit thin on the ground. Scott Johnson has been mentioned, and of course Jake White because Jake White.
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
He's now got a cushy TV pundit job in the All Blacks old boys club at NZ Sky TV.
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
Plus he was not a great coach.
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
Oop, looks like Jake has had a closer look at the Wallabies results and taken his name out of the hat.
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
I would. They're unbelievably shit.
Perhaps a change in coach would make a difference in their ability to concentrate, defend as a team and actually have a pack.
Perhaps a change in coach would make a difference in their ability to concentrate, defend as a team and actually have a pack.
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
I don't think that's necessarily the right way to look at it. Sometimes just freshening it up a bit will make a big difference.cashead wrote:So who's available that's demonstrably better?
Although I do understand Aus don't have any money to hire anyone they want.
Let's just say I don't thin Cheika is very good. Demonstrated by how poor this Aus team are.
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
Never stopped him from chucking his name out there and getting his agent to leak that his name was "linked with the X job" every time.Lizard wrote:Plus he was not a great coach.
White apparently approached the ARU off his own bat, which is even more presumptuous than usual, and the ARU decided to listen to what he had to say, which has got to make Cheika feel valued and supported. What a mess.
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
So Jake tips his hat at the ARU, presumably asks them to keep it quiet, so Cheikhist in the ARU leaks it knowing that publicity will cause White to withdraw?
What’s Sir Graham Henry doing at the mo?
What’s Sir Graham Henry doing at the mo?
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
Richie McCaw. Richie McCaw should coach the wobblies. It would double as reality TV. He could arrive in a chopper and everything.
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Reckon he’d recall Quade?morepork wrote:Richie McCaw. Richie McCaw should coach the wobblies. It would double as reality TV. He could arrive in a chopper and everything.
On a serious note, would 10. Cooper 12. Toomua with one of their tonk centres at 13 and Beale at fullback not be quite good?
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Yes. Narrated/hosted by Brad Thorn.morepork wrote:Richie McCaw. Richie McCaw should coach the wobblies. It would double as reality TV. He could arrive in a chopper and everything.
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
Does not compute.Mikey Brown wrote:
On a serious note, would 10. Cooper 12. Toomua with one of their tonk centres at 13 and Beale at fullback not be quite good?
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Re: Should Aussie dump Cheika?
So who are the 3 gamblors, should be hung drawn and quatered