Australia v. New Zealand is going to be quite a FORCE-ful encounter or something, fuck it, you do the jokes.

Mikey Brown · Post by **Mikey Brown** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:04 am

Who's going to kick?

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:17 pm

Is the 10/15 combo just an experiment for the AB's, or do you expect it to stick?

Is Crotty crocked, ditto Bernard Foley?

What's the prognosis on Retallick- key player for RWC imo, assuming fit and not rusty.

O'Connor's career continues to be bizarre.

Lizard · Post by **Lizard** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 12:43 am

So we’ve got an 8 at 6, a 10 at 15 and a 15 at 14.

Not to mention no available 3rd choice 10 with test experience.

I guess 8 years is enough.

Spy · Post by **Spy** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 1:48 am

I like the look of that AB side. I thought ALB looked fairly lively when he subbed on against the Boks.

I think we need to get Ardie starting, given the form he's been in. Read's not going to be dropped, and Cane's a much better 7 than any of the contenders for 6 are for that jersey, so it seems reasonable to give Ardie a starting run at blindside.

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Fri Aug 09, 2019 8:15 am

cashead wrote:
Banquo wrote:Is the 10/15 combo just an experiment for the AB's, or do you expect it to stick?

Is Crotty crocked, ditto Bernard Foley?

What's the prognosis on Retallick- key player for RWC imo, assuming fit and not rusty.

O'Connor's career continues to be bizarre.
Not sure how long the Mo'unga-Barrett 10/15 system will stick, but Mo'unga does need the game time at the test level.

Crotty and Foley are fine.

Retallick is likely to be available for the World Cup.

Thanks! How come Crotty hasn't played this year- for me, he's pretty important to NZ (I know that's not fashionable) and would help Mo'unga settle in.

paddy no 11 · Post by **paddy no 11** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:40 am

Crotty is injury prone their sparing him and working on back up

paddy no 11 · Post by **paddy no 11** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 10:41 am

I'd like to make a pre game pro Michael Hooper statement - doesn't deserve half the stick he gets here

paddy no 11 · Post by **paddy no 11** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:06 am

Absolute bullshit decision from garces

paddy no 11 · Post by **paddy no 11** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:08 am

Reed took Hooper out of it

Was totally off his feet when given a penalty earlier on

Spy · Post by **Spy** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:11 am

paddy no 11 wrote:Reed took Hooper out of it

Was totally off his feet when given a penalty earlier on

Agree on the second, not on the first.

Post by **Eugene Wrayburn** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:12 am

paddy no 11 wrote:Absolute bullshit decision from garces

For the first NZ try?

Both TMO and referee and aussie commentators agreed it was shoulder to shoulder competition to get to the ball. It MIGHT have been given the other way but it certainly wasn't beyond the bounds of reasonable decisions.

paddy no 11 · Post by **paddy no 11** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:29 am

Reed alters his run route and knocks Hooper off balance clear as day

paddy no 11 · Post by **paddy no 11** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:31 am

Savea in the side - nothing

paddy no 11 · Post by **paddy no 11** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:31 am

Bullshit from savea on the floor

16th man · Post by **16th man** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:33 am

Howlingly bad set of decisions, in at the side, forward pass, plus missing the head slap. What's the assistant doing, he's looking straight at 2 clear penalties and a massive forward pass and said nothing.

16th man · Post by **16th man** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:36 am

Yellow, boarder line red.

16th man · Post by **16th man** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:37 am

Bloody hell, you never actually expect to see ABs get the harsher end of decsions.

Spy · Post by **Spy** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:37 am

Far out.

paddy no 11 · Post by **paddy no 11** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:38 am

Harsh red in fairness but nz discipline was scandalous first half

Post by **Puja** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:41 am

I can't see how that's harsh. It's a shoulder charge with force, which is a yellow even before it's contact direct to the head. You could argue that he's unlucky that he's hit the head, but you could also argue that that's his own problem for throwing his shoulder into a challenge.

Massive opportunity for Australia here. If they can't win from this position, they may as well stop playing New Zealand.

Puja

Spy · Post by **Spy** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:44 am

Is that what a red card is these days? Pretty tough. Only the fourth AB red card in history. Probably not in the top 4 bad AB tackles in history.

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:54 am

Puja wrote:I can't see how that's harsh. It's a shoulder charge with force, which is a yellow even before it's contact direct to the head. You could argue that he's unlucky that he's hit the head, but you could also argue that that's his own problem for throwing his shoulder into a challenge.

Massive opportunity for Australia here. If they can't win from this position, they may as well stop playing New Zealand.

Puja

Harsh red for me. Real time had no time to react to Hooper being spun round by Coles, and initial contact wasn't with shoulder imo. Greenwood has it right- you could red card almost every breakdown. If there is any argument, as you posit, then it is harsh.

Banquo · Post by **Banquo** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 11:56 am

White actually looks a good 9 in this.

Spy · Post by **Spy** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:01 pm

Great try. Lomu-esque.

Post by **Eugene Wrayburn** » Sat Aug 10, 2019 12:02 pm

Spy wrote:Is that what a red card is these days? Pretty tough. Only the fourth AB red card in history. Probably not in the top 4 bad AB tackles in history.

That very much is what a red card is these days. Forceful contact with the head in a shoulder with no attempt to make a valid tackle or validly hit the ruck. It is textbook under the current provisions and Garces was right to say he had no choice.

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