England vs Australia 19th of Oct, 8.15am GMT

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Re: England vs Australia 19th of Oct, 8.15am GMT

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Ah well, I am old, out of date and not the brightest but I think that provocation at that level should be able to be answered with a good smack in the mouth legitimately. Any referee that does not issue a yellow for that degree of provocation the way the laws are now applied is not fit to hold a whistle. It should be one or the other: allow a provoked player reasonable retaliation or discipline the provoker. Effectively, the referee was an accomplice.
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Re: England vs Australia 19th of Oct, 8.15am GMT

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Oakboy wrote:Ah well, I am old, out of date and not the brightest but I think that provocation at that level should be able to be answered with a good smack in the mouth legitimately. Any referee that does not issue a yellow for that degree of provocation the way the laws are now applied is not fit to hold a whistle. It should be one or the other: allow a provoked player reasonable retaliation or discipline the provoker. Effectively, the referee was an accomplice.
I don't think you can go with the licence for violence anymore. The world has moved on.
It's certainly not cardable.
However, it absolutely should be a reversed decision - they'll soon stop doing it if they're throwing away their earned rewards and gifting them to their opponent.
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Which Tyler wrote:
Oakboy wrote:Ah well, I am old, out of date and not the brightest but I think that provocation at that level should be able to be answered with a good smack in the mouth legitimately. Any referee that does not issue a yellow for that degree of provocation the way the laws are now applied is not fit to hold a whistle. It should be one or the other: allow a provoked player reasonable retaliation or discipline the provoker. Effectively, the referee was an accomplice.
I don't think you can go with the licence for violence anymore. The world has moved on.
It's certainly not cardable.
However, it absolutely should be a reversed decision - they'll soon stop doing it if they're throwing away their earned rewards and gifting them to their opponent.
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Re: England vs Australia 19th of Oct, 8.15am GMT

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As soon as he got away he was telling the aussies to scrum again. End result is they do, and we won the free kick. He had a few words with either the hooker or loosehead and walked away :D.
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Re: England vs Australia 19th of Oct, 8.15am GMT

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Which Tyler wrote: I don't think you can go with the licence for violence anymore. The world has moved on.
It's certainly not cardable.
However, it absolutely should be a reversed decision - they'll soon stop doing it if they're throwing away their earned rewards and gifting them to their opponent.
There is more than enough in here to make it a penalty

https://laws.worldrugby.org/?law=9

Not enough in there for a card. The games a bit to professional now for slap round the ear, probably for the best but part of me misses a self regulated forwards game.
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Re: England vs Australia 19th of Oct, 8.15am GMT

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Yeah, think Graham Henry was saying something similar before the tournament. All this celebrating in an opponent's face, head slapping/rubbing and general gloating is a terrible look and should be penalised.

I am not normally as fan of "role model" arguments but in this case it is fair. If all international teams do it why can't lower down and kids' ones?

I am also not a massive fan of all the backs piling in to celebrate a good scrum. Fair enough if it is genuine excitement at a big moment but when it is every time and whooping it just looks pathetic
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