Son of Mathonwy wrote:Mellsblue wrote:Son of Mathonwy wrote:
Ok, so what did you mean by "bang to rights"? What exactly did you concede at that point?
Let me clarify my language. When I said "the conservatives are really like this", I should have said "the people currently running the conservative party are really like this". Apologies if this caused offence.
I didn't realise you were asking me something about anti-semitism - I thought you were being rhetorical. What do you want to know?
It was a bit tongue in cheek. Hence me calling you ‘guv’. I totally agree that some prick has said it but it’s hardly party policy and, I’d hope, it’s certainly not the position of the majority of the party. Happy to concede it’s an incredibly dangerous thing to say, as I’ve already said on here today. I’m not happy to concede that the words of one idiot paints an entire party. Just as I wouldn’t paint the Labour Party as anti-Semitic due there being a number of anti-semites in the party.
Quite how the words of one unnamed man prove the Conservatives, current leadership group or wider, are ‘like that’, is beyond me.
I know everything I need to know about your stance on anti-semitism.
Ok, so you basically don't believe the story about the conservative party source saying “If we are re-elected we will have to review Channel 4’s Public Services Broadcasting obligations." It was some rogue posing as a source, or a source going off message, or perhaps completely made up?
Please tell me what you think you know about my stance on anti-Semitism.
That link states the party will be writing to Ofcom to ask about C4’s impartiality. I don’t think it’s a wise move but it’s perfectly allowable and not the same as the Party confirming it will look into C4’s licence.
I’ve already said I believe the story, which is a step beyond most Corbynistas who will start moaning about media bias, fake news etc. I do believe it’s probably someone high up in the party, otherwise why report it, but it’s not a party position and it’s not indicative of the party as a whole, which is how you’ve sought to portray it. How you’ve got to the point that you think I’ve denied it’s even true is beyond me. I’ve written “I totally agree that some prick has said it”. Not sure how I could be any clearer. I even gave you an example you should be able to relate to - there are anti-semites in the Labour Party but that’s doesn’t make the Labour Party anti-Semitic. I honestly don’t know how I can make it any clearer.
I’m struggling to see how you can’t understand the difference between me thinking one, high up member of the party has gone rogue - I’ve said it’s worrying and dangerous in case you don’t think I’m believe it’s serious - but not think it’s indicative of the party as a whole. After all, it’s ‘source’, single not plural.
Tbh, it’s not that much worse than leader of the Labour Party being on record as saying the Director General of the BBC has a pro-Israel agenda.
I think it’s very indicative that I’m happy to come on here and criticise my own party or leader but you seem to find it impossible to do the same, beyond alluding to JC being a poor leader.
To be honest, based on the above para, this discussion is boring. I’m happy to discuss politics if people are objective, as far as political leanings allow, but this is yet another case of Boris and Cons all bad, JC and Labour beyond reproach. So, I’ll leave it here.