Team for Ireland

[normanski]

Put ourselves under pressure defensively with mistakes right from the off. Also managed to ruin any momentum offensively.
Small margins though - if our try was allowed and the Ireland's disallowed my aunt would be my uncle..

From what I could see of Stander’s try, the ball was grounded before the line with Stander on the line and then the whole breakdown was smothered in players. Clearly a cheating Irish try!

The pass for the final try was clearly forward by a metre if you look at the mowing lines.

Well done to Ireland because they were the better side on the day and took their chances well.

[paddy no 11]

Parkes was a try

Awj offload was a touch forward also

[Buggaluggs]

disagree on both. Parkes pulled a dropsey. I thought AWJ was close enough (!)

[Sandydragon]

Game management was poor. 19-7 down with 30 mins to go, I say take the easy 3s on offer. 19-10 or even 19-13 puts pressure on. I get it. If we had got the try to go 19-14 its all gold. But...play the odds. Take the facking 3s when they're given.

I don’t disagree with that. With 30 odd minutes to go there was plenty of time left and you felt we had some momentum building.

As it was, Ireland keep a 12 point lead and get back into our 22. All the pressure then on us.

[Buggaluggs]

...but. If Parkes had been given, that would have been an interesting last 20. Still think Ireland would have had it. They had too much for us.

[Buggaluggs]

Game management was poor. 19-7 down with 30 mins to go, I say take the easy 3s on offer. 19-10 or even 19-13 puts pressure on. I get it. If we had got the try to go 19-14 its all gold. But...play the odds. Take the facking 3s when they're given.

I don’t disagree with that. With 30 odd minutes to go there was plenty of time left and you felt we had some momentum building.

As it was, Ireland keep a 12 point lead and get back into our 22. All the pressure then on us.

I remember the Wales - Eng game from many years ago. 19-6 down and dead & buried. We took 3 (19-9) and another (19-12) suddenly and inexplicably eng panicked, we ended up winning 26-19.

There's a video of Joe Montana (SF quaterback) being given multiple random scores and whether he was winning or losing. His responses were instant. He knew exactly how to make up the points, or extend the lead in the fashion most likely to lead to a win. Instant. Our on-field leaders should have that same knowledge.

[Sandydragon]

It’s odd that we didn’t take points. Was the wind a consideration? Although I’d back Halfpenny practically every time.

Ireland were also spurning shots at goal so that might have been a factor.

[Graigwen]

It was a tight game, and yes there were some strange refereeing decisions. Overall the best team won, so i am not too worried aboubout the bizarre decisions.

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[Son of Mathonwy]

Ireland deserved the win; our forwards didn't have enough grunt and we made a few too many mistakes. But if Parkes' try had been given (as I think it should) things could have gone quite differently.

Very disappointing though. I was expecting more from Pivac's Wales.

[Spiffy]

Ireland deserved the win; our forwards didn't have enough grunt and we made a few too many mistakes. But if Parkes' try had been given (as I think it should) things could have gone quite differently.

Very disappointing though. I was expecting more from Pivac's Wales.

Good game of rugby, played in the right spirit by both teams. I did think that Parkes lost control of the ball before grounding, but it probably did not affect the outcome. Poite is an exasperating ref, like many of his French colleagues. His decisions are totally unpredictable for both sides. Irish supporters are just as unhappy as Welsh. Tipuric continues to look the best 7 in Europe.

[webbyinjapan]

We were not very good,,,what do we do now?

[Sandydragon]

Apparently the answer is to drop North. Whilst I’m not hugely impressed by him, the reason for our failure yesterday, aside from some poor defence was getting done over up front.

Wainwright has a quiet game but I don’t think he will be as Poe twice. Really not sure what Beard brings off the bench. Scrum still an issue and the lineout looks wobbly.

I’m all for adding some adventure in our attack but we must get the basics right.

[Banquo]

Apparently the answer is to drop North. Whilst I’m not hugely impressed by him, the reason for our failure yesterday, aside from some poor defence was getting done over up front.

Wainwright has a quiet game but I don’t think he will be as Poe twice. Really not sure what Beard brings off the bench. Scrum still an issue and the lineout looks wobbly.

I’m all for adding some adventure in our attack but we must get the basics right.

Tompkins was a problem yesterday, and not just missing Larmour. Dropping North would be well harsh.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Apparently the answer is to drop North. Whilst I’m not hugely impressed by him, the reason for our failure yesterday, aside from some poor defence was getting done over up front.

Wainwright has a quiet game but I don’t think he will be as Poe twice. Really not sure what Beard brings off the bench. Scrum still an issue and the lineout looks wobbly.

I’m all for adding some adventure in our attack but we must get the basics right.

Tompkins was a problem yesterday, and not just missing Larmour. Dropping North would be well harsh.

Tompkins contacted but was unable to get a grip on a few players whereas North ran out of the line, didn't get to his man fast enough and left a hole. Neither had a great day in defence. In time Tompkins is likely to improve ... North isn't.

But drop either of them? Perhaps switch North for McNicholl? (Can't remember how McNicholl was in defence). Bring LRZ in? (Probably a gamble too far ... save for the Scotland game).

I think I'd continue with Tompkins but switch North and McNicholl. North could be one hell of an impact sub (not that I'm generally a fan of the concept).

But I agree, neither was the cause of yesterday's result. We weren't making enough of an impression in the collisions and made too many mistakes in general.

[Banquo]

Apparently the answer is to drop North. Whilst I’m not hugely impressed by him, the reason for our failure yesterday, aside from some poor defence was getting done over up front.

Wainwright has a quiet game but I don’t think he will be as Poe twice. Really not sure what Beard brings off the bench. Scrum still an issue and the lineout looks wobbly.

I’m all for adding some adventure in our attack but we must get the basics right.

Tompkins was a problem yesterday, and not just missing Larmour. Dropping North would be well harsh.

Tompkins contacted but was unable to get a grip on a few players whereas North ran out of the line, didn't get to his man fast enough and left a hole. Neither had a great day in defence. In time Tompkins is likely to improve ... North isn't.

But drop either of them? Perhaps switch North for McNicholl? (Can't remember how McNicholl was in defence). Bring LRZ in? (Probably a gamble too far ... save for the Scotland game).

I think I'd continue with Tompkins but switch North and McNicholl. North could be one hell of an impact sub (not that I'm generally a fan of the concept).

But I agree, neither was the cause of yesterday's result. We weren't making enough of an impression in the collisions and made too many mistakes in general.

I'd suggest that was a failure of communication between the two of them (and usually the 13 would be responsible for the chat), and Tompkins was too narrow generally. May just be settling into the system- and Ireland had clearly seen something in the Welsh system to attack from the previous week, so system error compounded by individual mistakes in tackling.

[Sandydragon]

Tompkins missed a large number of tackles, but other players defended poorly too. We seemed to give up a lot of ground very easily.

To be fair though, there are lots of things that were poor yesterday.

I’d be tempted to stick with Tompkins. We have seen what he can do and if he learns from yesterday then all is good for the future.

We have a big game ahead and whilst I think the French forwards will be looking forward to it more than we are, I feel that we may need every advantage in attack we can muster.

[normanski]

Yes it was a harsh introduction to top level international rugby for Tompkins.

I think we lost that game in the front row. Pivac/Humphries probably left Lewis on too long - a 50 minute spell and he starts giving away scrum penalties. He's a better finisher than starter.

I would give Brown a start against the French as I think he’s the better long term prospect and needs the experience. Couldn’t we have done with Francis this season.

[newgalesurf]

Put ourselves under pressure defensively with mistakes right from the off. Also managed to ruin any momentum offensively.
Small margins though - if our try was allowed and the Ireland's disallowed my aunt would be my uncle..

From what I could see of Stander’s try, the ball was grounded before the line with Stander on the line and then the whole breakdown was smothered in players. Clearly a cheating Irish try!

The pass for the final try was clearly forward by a metre if you look at the mowing lines.

Well done to Ireland because they were the better side on the day and took their chances well.

These were my thoughts exactly on both of these. Ball was clearly well short of the line and seemed stopped. Should have been a double movement. And the last try - I thought it a clear forward pass.

Also agree with the ref decision on Parkes disallowed try (he can get that one right, typical)

The scrum penalty to Ireland on their own 5 - looked to me like the Irish prop was pulling down on the jersey but went against Wales.

But Ireland deserved the win. Played better. Wales looked threatening across the backline, but the balance was wrong. Too many first phase panicky chuck it wide moments. And when they did go tight, no momentum. AWJ offloading was amazing, but there was too much of it, and risky offloads that didn't pay off.

But typical 6N game. Could have gone either way. Shame we didn't get a losing BP. That could be important

[Sandydragon]

I was surprised that wasn't a double movement.