COVID19

[Galfon]

It’s odd how the virus is targeting those with underlying health issues but also occasionally seems to hit otherwise healthy people. Could it be undiagnosed health issues for some but with medical staff they are being exposed to greater quantities of the virus?

Massive quantities I would say compared to Joe Public, and all it takes is 1...
A significant number of Italian intensive care cases are also medical care staff.
Another factor is the exhaustion risk - these guys work long unnatural hours, probably more so in an emergency
situation (and this one is continuous).Heros all.

[Banquo]

On the one hand, no one has dealt with any of this before and I very much doubt if infection rate would be vastly different if our govt had chosen different advice to follow.

On the other hand, we did watch this infection coming, via China, SE Asia and Italy and it was only when it got here that anyone started thinking about extra ventilators or PPE for hospital staff. My wife (consultant anaesthetist) knows 2 ENT surgeons in London who are currently on ecmo and fighting for their lives (youngish, healthy, no underlying conditions) due to treating covid patients without any PPE. That is unforgivable.

As a teacher/doctor household, we've seen first hand the absence of leadership at every level from the top down. Until last week, the only answers put in place have been thought up and implemented by front line staff, all these 6 figure salary, BMA qualified council leaders and politicians have been worse than useless, frozen in the headlights and utterly giving the lie to the idea that their inflated salaries, ludicrous expenses and gold plated pensions somehow reflect their skill set. When this is all over there needs to be something of a reckoning.

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Why did they treat without PPE- was there none available? We put grab bags in place as soon as the guidance came out over a month ago- we sent it to all our staff, and posters etc have been up in our clinics since then; we've changed with govt advice. System seems to have been slow, and people have been slow, to act on the advice and guidance given. Local NHS though have been hopeless with guidance to providers, and very slow; we've made the proposals for our little bit of the system. The bloated bureaucracy in hospitals and CCG's should have been eliminated years ago.
20/20 hindsight an all that.

[Mellsblue]

[Banquo]

I did one for yougov

[Banquo]

Tell you who should STFU- Jeremy Hunt. Talking about 20 seconds of hand washing, he's going for about 5 years worth.

[Donny osmond]

On the one hand, no one has dealt with any of this before and I very much doubt if infection rate would be vastly different if our govt had chosen different advice to follow.

On the other hand, we did watch this infection coming, via China, SE Asia and Italy and it was only when it got here that anyone started thinking about extra ventilators or PPE for hospital staff. My wife (consultant anaesthetist) knows 2 ENT surgeons in London who are currently on ecmo and fighting for their lives (youngish, healthy, no underlying conditions) due to treating covid patients without any PPE. That is unforgivable.

As a teacher/doctor household, we've seen first hand the absence of leadership at every level from the top down. Until last week, the only answers put in place have been thought up and implemented by front line staff, all these 6 figure salary, BMA qualified council leaders and politicians have been worse than useless, frozen in the headlights and utterly giving the lie to the idea that their inflated salaries, ludicrous expenses and gold plated pensions somehow reflect their skill set. When this is all over there needs to be something of a reckoning.

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Why did they treat without PPE- was there none available? We put grab bags in place as soon as the guidance came out over a month ago- we sent it to all our staff, and posters etc have been up in our clinics since then; we've changed with govt advice. System seems to have been slow, and people have been slow, to act on the advice and guidance given. Local NHS though have been hopeless with guidance to providers, and very slow; we've made the proposals for our little bit of the system. The bloated bureaucracy in hospitals and CCG's should have been eliminated years ago.
20/20 hindsight an all that.

Dunno, we're in Glasgow those guys are in London so I can't speak as to the situation they were in. We hear that the NHS in London is close to collapse, but again that's grapevine stuff. Here's what's happening in Glasgow (this is not my Mrs):



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[Banquo]

On the one hand, no one has dealt with any of this before and I very much doubt if infection rate would be vastly different if our govt had chosen different advice to follow.

On the other hand, we did watch this infection coming, via China, SE Asia and Italy and it was only when it got here that anyone started thinking about extra ventilators or PPE for hospital staff. My wife (consultant anaesthetist) knows 2 ENT surgeons in London who are currently on ecmo and fighting for their lives (youngish, healthy, no underlying conditions) due to treating covid patients without any PPE. That is unforgivable.

As a teacher/doctor household, we've seen first hand the absence of leadership at every level from the top down. Until last week, the only answers put in place have been thought up and implemented by front line staff, all these 6 figure salary, BMA qualified council leaders and politicians have been worse than useless, frozen in the headlights and utterly giving the lie to the idea that their inflated salaries, ludicrous expenses and gold plated pensions somehow reflect their skill set. When this is all over there needs to be something of a reckoning.

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Why did they treat without PPE- was there none available? We put grab bags in place as soon as the guidance came out over a month ago- we sent it to all our staff, and posters etc have been up in our clinics since then; we've changed with govt advice. System seems to have been slow, and people have been slow, to act on the advice and guidance given. Local NHS though have been hopeless with guidance to providers, and very slow; we've made the proposals for our little bit of the system. The bloated bureaucracy in hospitals and CCG's should have been eliminated years ago.
20/20 hindsight an all that.

Dunno, we're in Glasgow those guys are in London so I can't speak as to the situation they were in. We hear that the NHS in London is close to collapse, but again that's grapevine stuff. Here's what's happening in Glasgow (this is not my Mrs):



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That story from your other half is doing the rounds everywhere tbh. All the bodies are declaring major incidents as that allows them to adopt special measures.

[Donny osmond]

Interesting map of cases in the UK...

Shetland is a hotspot as it's such a small community. One person came back from Italy in Feb and there are now 15 cases up there. Dunno how they're managing, be surprised if there's more than 1 ventilator on the island.

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[Banquo]

Interesting map of cases in the UK...

Shetland is a hotspot as it's such a small community. One person came back from Italy in Feb and there are now 15 cases up there. Dunno how they're managing, be surprised if there's more than 1 ventilator on the island.

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I did think, and say, that regional strategies needed to be in place.

[morepork]

How many layers of MBA-holding jobsworths does a decision process go through before an actual health professional is allowed input?

[Galfon]

and how come it's up to the locals to issue 'Wales is closed' notices in response to unreasonable herd behaviour..?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51994504

[Mellsblue]

Ffs.

[Sandydragon]

and how come it's up to the locals to issue 'Wales is closed' notices in response to unreasonable herd behaviour..?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51994504

Ditto Yorkshire and the Lakes. Any day now it’s going to be a full lockdown.

[Banquo]

People are being absolute tw%ts. Its like a bank holiday, combined with panic buying and a lot of mothers day get togethers. Looney-tunes

[Digby]

These acts probably speaks in part as to why we've locked down in stages, the government needing the fear factor to ramp up to try and get a higher % of buy-in to their requests for people to show even a small amount of common sense. We saw this with foot and mouth when cows started moving up and down motorways by themselves ('cause the farmers said they weren't moving them) even when they were told to stay in their fields no matter what and that spread the disease far and wide.

I'm not surprised our behaviour is shockingly bad, so many of us are shockingly stupid

[Banquo]

These acts probably speaks in part as to why we've locked down in stages, the government needing the fear factor to ramp up to try and get a higher % of buy-in to their requests for people to show even a small amount of common sense. We saw this with foot and mouth when cows started moving up and down motorways by themselves ('cause the farmers said they weren't moving them) even when they were told to stay in their fields no matter what and that spread the disease far and wide.

I'm not surprised our behaviour is shockingly bad, so many of us are shockingly stupid

indeed. But ffs

[Stom]

Over here, pretty much all the young people are inside while all the old people are out and about.

[morepork]

Over here, pretty much all the young people are inside while all the old people are out and about.

Brilliant.

[Mellsblue]

Over here, pretty much all the young people are inside while all the old people are out and about.

Had a wander to the rugby club early to throw a ball about with my boys......same here.

[fivepointer]

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I'm not surprised our behaviour is shockingly bad, so many of us are shockingly stupid

Stupid and irresponsible and selfish.

I've been embarrassed by some of the moronic behaviour i have seen and viewed online.

[Mellsblue]

Good news, of sorts:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... s-11961559

[Digby]

Over here, pretty much all the young people are inside while all the old people are out and about.

Had a wander to the rugby club early to throw a ball about with my boys......same here.

Went out with yesterday morning and the local butchers had a long queue running well outside the shop of people stood shoulder to shoulder, seemingly all old people

[Stom]

Over here, pretty much all the young people are inside while all the old people are out and about.

Had a wander to the rugby club early to throw a ball about with my boys......same here.

Went out with yesterday morning and the local butchers had a long queue running well outside the shop of people stood shoulder to shoulder, seemingly all old people

When I first went shopping last week, the queue outside the butcher's was ridiculously long. I went back the next morning at opening time and got in, got my meat and left. The supermarket, though, queue to get in when they opened the door, full of older people.

My mother in law wanted to travel to Budapest from Romania for a transcendental meditation course. She said they'd be safe from coronavirus because of all the positive energy...

Luckily the organizers are the gamekeepers, not the cult-members, so they cancelled it. We'd already told her she wouldn't be welcome at our place if she'd traveled here on public transport...

They're insane.

We're lucky, we just chopped down some trees, so there's plenty of gardening work to clear the mess. Which means we've got plenty to do in and around the house.

[Digby]

Yeah, I got stuck into some gardening today, but it's only delaying the inevitable direction to start some decorating

[Banquo]

Over here, pretty much all the young people are inside while all the old people are out and about.

Brilliant.

Not the same here. It is nuts though, or rather people are