Donny osmond wrote:That’s if the FT figures are correct. As a master internet debater i am now going to find some more hysterical death figures for England that justify what I said all along.
Good lad. Deflect from Scottish problems by blaming Westminster. May be the SNP education reforms have ‘worked’ after all.
Donny osmond wrote:That’s if the FT figures are correct. As an internet masturbator i am now going to find some more hysterical death figures for England that justify what I said all along.
Donny osmond wrote:All fair enough internationally, but I can't see them explaining the intra-UK differences.
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I suspect the answer to that is the international travel hub bit. People go in and out of London all the time and that would have spread to other parts of England much more than the other UK states. Plus population density is much higher in southern England than anywhere else in the UK.
You should really compare Scotland to here, where there have officially been less than 500 deaths. I imagine the real number is higher but it’s still not much.
Partly that’s because of a quick lockdown and partly that’s because of a low pop density and low international travel compared to the UK
Lizard wrote:3 consecutive days of 0 new cases here. 65 active cases. And most importantly, SCHOOL IS OPEN ON MONDAY!
Well done, you have competent leaders. Could we borrow some?
Jinxed it. 1 new case here today.
I find it interesting that the reaction from US and UK folk has been "Can we have your sensible leader?" rather than "Can we elect our own sensible person as leader." I mean I know it's tongue in cheek but it's a bit telling about distrust in the systems, isn't it?
Absolutely. In the UK we have a minority of votes delivering a majority of seats. And the US - the presidency going to the candidate with less votes - that's the opposite of democracy.
Also - in the UK - the next election is so far away that the concept of electing our own sensible leader for this crisis is about as realistic as borrowing yours.
Donny osmond wrote:That’s if the FT figures are correct. As an internet masturbator i am now going to find some more hysterical death figures for England that justify what I said all along.
Fixed that for you.
It helps me sleep
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It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
Donny osmond wrote:As you were chaps, I’ve made a booboo... by using an actual calculator I have deduced that Scotland’s population is just under 10% of England, and our death rate is about 8% of England’s which small of a difference could easily be explained by, as MB succinctly put it, London. Plus 1 or 2 other variables like hospital size etc.
Typed while MB was exploding my overnight theory!!
Nicked from Wikipedia:
Name Population (2018) Percent of UK (2018)
England 55,977,178 84.26%
Scotland 5,438,100 8.19%
Wales 3,138,631 4.72%
N Ireland 1,881,641 2.83%
UK 66,435,550 100.00%
Donny osmond wrote:As you were chaps, I’ve made a booboo... by using an actual calculator I have deduced that Scotland’s population is just under 10% of England, and our death rate is about 8% of England’s which small of a difference could easily be explained by, as MB succinctly put it, London. Plus 1 or 2 other variables like hospital size etc.
Typed while MB was exploding my overnight theory!!
Nicked from Wikipedia:
Name Population (2018) Percent of UK (2018)
England 55,977,178 84.26%
Scotland 5,438,100 8.19%
Wales 3,138,631 4.72%
N Ireland 1,881,641 2.83%
UK 66,435,550 100.00%
I realised after I was using figures for England and Wales, not just England.
It's a litany of incompetence and ignorance. I shall be applying to the cabinet forthwith.
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It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
Great news. I was at a loss to know what to do tomorrow. Now there’s a picnic in the park organised by the UK Freedom Movement. Sounds fun:
Tommy Robinson freedom bouncy castle,
Anti vac whack a mole,
Shoot the 5G mast air rifle stand and
Fuck Off MSM cake bake competition, don’t forget your tin foil.
Can’t these fuckers just stay under a nice Little Rock and allow the rest of us to enjoy a quiet day in the park?
Donny osmond wrote:The death rate in England is just massively weird. Even allowing for all the mistakes, there must be some unspecified reason why it's so high.
It's even way higher than Scotland, Wales or NI afaik, and there's no earthly reason I can find that's been discussed that explains that.
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London.
London population density = 5,666/km2
Seoul population density = 16,000/km2
Official UK death toll = 33,998
Official ROK death toll = 260
Seoul may receive around half the visitors that London does, but that doesn't account for the massive disparity in the official death tolls, and has more to do with the quickly and aggressively taking decisive action in clamping down on the illness, and despite one dumbass megaspreader and another who ended up inadvertently shutting down the nightlife, they've managed to contain the disease effectively.
How does that compare to the pox party policy of the Tories?
We were comparing Eng&Wales v Scot. Not Eng&Wales v SK. Nobody on here has said that the U.K. has done better than SK. I know you’re late to this RR ‘party’ but take your schadenfreude, false equivalences and party politics bs elsewhere.
If only I’d put my repeated replies in a large, red font and used the words butthurt, sh!tcunt and bullsh!t mocked I’d have won this argument by now.
Thank goodness you’ve brought such a nuanced, intelligent perspective to the conversation.
London population density = 5,666/km2
Seoul population density = 16,000/km2
Official UK death toll = 33,998
Official ROK death toll = 260
Seoul may receive around half the visitors that London does, but that doesn't account for the massive disparity in the official death tolls, and has more to do with the quickly and aggressively taking decisive action in clamping down on the illness, and despite one dumbass megaspreader and another who ended up inadvertently shutting down the nightlife, they've managed to contain the disease effectively.
How does that compare to the pox party policy of the Tories?
We were comparing Eng&Wales v Scot. Not Eng&Wales v SK. Nobody on here has said that the U.K. has done better than SK. I know you’re late to this RR ‘party’ but take your schadenfreude, false equivalences and party politics bs elsewhere.
I think that simply pointing out the stats which show London has had greater incidence adds much to the debate. The question has to be why it is different to the rest of the uk.
Cas has addressed population density by showing covid can be far more effectively managed in far dense population centres. I not sure why that put so much sand in your crack.
Cas also mentioned how many visitors London has. This could be a reason maybe. I doubt it.
For UKIP, brexit party and, since Boris was leader, Tory voters the problem is probably that London is full of “forrins “ and they have watered down the British bulldog spirit that we all know can fight off any virus or recession.
Well, this is a GREAT way to talk it all thru isn't it.
Well done, really impressive.
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It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
Once this had blown through, the pandemic control book will have been completely re-written, with special sections presumably for countries with new ethnically diverse mega-cities, and international travel.
Imagine another Smallpox outbreak like the 70''s (B'ham)..
If your comparing apples with apples, then Germany is so far the stand-out comparator...though other factors like human genetics, local disease history/management, Covid strains etc are unknowns atm.
Galfon wrote:Once this had blown through, the pandemic control book will have been completely re-written, with special sections presumably for countries with new ethnically diverse mega-cities, and international travel.
Imagine another Smallpox outbreak like the 70''s (B'ham)..
If your comparing apples with apples, then Germany is so far the stand-out comparator...though other factors like human genetics, local disease history/management, Covid strains etc are unknowns atm.
This is dangerously close to a sensible comment.
MODS DO SOMETHING this man is not being a shouty princess and clearly has no place on this thread.
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It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
Galfon wrote:Once this had blown through, the pandemic control book will have been completely re-written, with special sections presumably for countries with new ethnically diverse mega-cities, and international travel.
I don't think a complete rewrite is on the cards. Most of the successful actions have been from pre-existing pandemic plans.
The (metaphorical) control book will get an update, maybe a new chapter on technology, but that's about all.
If my area is anything to go by, social distancing and govt guidelines have been torn up. And we are a compliant, low infection area. Fck knows what London will be like.
Banquo wrote:If my area is anything to go by, social distancing and govt guidelines have been torn up. And we are a compliant, low infection area. Fck knows what London will be like.
Sure, operational rules and guidelines are in for a shake-up, certainly in a country which has responded very poorly. I assumed Galfon was talking more about high-level/strategic approaches to pandemics, worldwide.
Banquo wrote:If my area is anything to go by, social distancing and govt guidelines have been torn up. And we are a compliant, low infection area. Fck knows what London will be like.
Sure, operational rules and guidelines are in for a shake-up, certainly in a country which has responded very poorly. I assumed Galfon was talking more about high-level/strategic approaches to pandemics, worldwide.
I wasn't referring to that, hence not quoting it
My kids met up in Laandan as per new guidance....and Clapham Common was seething with bodies. A pub not far from me has opened its beer garden as a takeaway.
I fear our people's 'common sense' is not a thing.
Banquo wrote:If my area is anything to go by, social distancing and govt guidelines have been torn up. And we are a compliant, low infection area. Fck knows what London will be like.
Sure, operational rules and guidelines are in for a shake-up, certainly in a country which has responded very poorly. I assumed Galfon was talking more about high-level/strategic approaches to pandemics, worldwide.
I wasn't referring to that, hence not quoting it
My kids met up in Laandan as per new guidance....and Clapham Common was seething with bodies. A pub not far from me has opened its beer garden as a takeaway.
I fear our people's 'common sense' is not a thing.
Fair enough - completely different point!
Yeah, London. They haven't gone completely insane in my neck of the woods, just on the edge of London, but yeah, I hate to think what's going on centrally. My Oyster card will continue to gather dust for a while.
