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Teams are out. Not overstating it to say that one teams season could effectively end tomorrow.

15 - Kinghorn/Jones
14 - Graham/Jones
13 - Bennett/Grigg
12 - Dean/Johnson
11 - van der Merwe/Tagive
10 - van der Waalt/Thomson
9 - Pyrgos/Price

8 - Mata/Faegerson
7 - Watson/Gordon
6 - Ritchie/Wilson
5 - Hodgson/Cummings
4 - Tools/Gray
3 - Nel/Faegerson
2 - McInally/Turner
1 - Schoeman/Seiuli

16 - Willems/Matthews
17 - Sutherland/Thornton
18 - Berghan/Pieretto
19 - Ferreira/Bean
20 - Bradbury/Iaone
21 - Groom/Dobbie
22 - Chamberlain/Thompson
23 - Johnstone/Bryce

Man on man I'd actually say it's pretty even in the pack. Edinburgh should have an edge in the backs but will they get enough opportunity to show it? We could really use a centre who can distribute. Lang may actually really help, not because he's a brilliant player, but because of his skillet, if the rumours are true of course.
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Anyone watching? I'm starting to think this could be a 0-0.

Jones and Graham with a moment each, but dire other than that.
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Couldn't face signing up to Premiersport yet again to watch 1 game. Not sounding like a bad choice at this moment.
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It’s fucking shite. The laws are not helping but there’s lots of potential if your willing to keep the ball in hand.

Both teams obsessed with kicking it away. At one point Edinburgh cleared from their 22 and had a 5-1 overlap.

Soo much wrong with pro sport in Scotland it could be 10 years ago
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switchskier wrote:Anyone watching? I'm starting to think this could be a 0-0.

Jones and Graham with a moment each, but dire other than that.
good news for his fan boy is big Richie is doing well in the loose and nicked a line out. Still not pushing his weight in the scrum though
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It is pretty dire.
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A bit disappointed that there are now points on the board. The best thing that could have come from this match would have been a 0-0.

Faegerson and Mata both off now, neither with any impact.
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Second attempt this weekend. Only rugby on in the UK I believe.

Glasgow: H Jones; L Jones, Grigg, Fergusson, McLean; Thompson, Price; Seiuli, Turner, Fagerson, Gray, S Cummings, Wilson (capt), Gordon, Fagerson.

Replacements: Matthews, Lambert, Pieretto, Nakarawa, Harley, Dobie, Thomson, Smith.

Edinburgh: Kinghorn; Blain, Bennett, Dean, Sau; van der Walt, Groom; Sutherland, Cherry, Berghan, Toolis, Gilchrist, Bradbury, Watson, Mata.

Replacements: Willemse, Schoeman, Nel, Hodgson, Crosbie, Pyrgos, Chamberlain, Johnstone

Very young Glasgow team. Hope they have a good go at it. Just not too good
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Fraser Brown good on the radio. Doesn’t rate Nic Groom!
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That's dull by Turner. On the harsh side but he didn't need to do that. It was definitely a penalty as he is in front of the ball but not sure it is a yellow.
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Sounded like a decent game with some brain farts adding to the fun. Wasn’t watching, but it sounded like Thompson and McLean did well, as did both front rows.

Also sounded like Kinghorn is regressing and Groom is neither the future nor the present. Also, neither Fagerson nor Bradbury particularly put their hands up for Scotland.
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General Zod wrote:Sounded like a decent game with some brain farts adding to the fun. Wasn’t watching, but it sounded like Thompson and McLean did well, as did both front rows.

Also sounded like Kinghorn is regressing and Groom is neither the future nor the present. Also, neither Fagerson nor Bradbury particularly put their hands up for Scotland.
Was that from the radio? Would agree with some of those less so with others.

Was gonna come on here to comment how physical Fagerson was. One loose carry aside, I thought he was very good. Bradbury was a bit anonymous.

Kinghorn was fine and sparked one good attack.

To me, Groom is a fine third choice but not much more.

Thompson was promising but MOTM was a bit far. His main positive was very solid looking goal kicking but was protected a bit in open play. Hope they keep picking him til the end of the season. For me, apart from one drop, Huw Jones was MOTM. By far the most dangerous runner on the pitch (mainly from the centre position).

McLean was fine.
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Cameo wrote:
General Zod wrote:Sounded like a decent game with some brain farts adding to the fun. Wasn’t watching, but it sounded like Thompson and McLean did well, as did both front rows.

Also sounded like Kinghorn is regressing and Groom is neither the future nor the present. Also, neither Fagerson nor Bradbury particularly put their hands up for Scotland.
Was that from the radio? Would agree with some of those less so with others.

Was gonna come on here to comment how physical Fagerson was. One loose carry aside, I thought he was very good. Bradbury was a bit anonymous.

Kinghorn was fine and sparked one good attack.

To me, Groom is a fine third choice but not much more.

Thompson was promising but MOTM was a bit far. His main positive was very solid looking goal kicking but was protected a bit in open play. Hope they keep picking him til the end of the season. For me, apart from one drop, Huw Jones was MOTM. By far the most dangerous runner on the pitch (mainly from the centre position).

McLean was fine.
he was without a doubt the most threatening back on the park, but don't make the old mistake. He ran lines to hit gaps, often they are in the "centre" because that is where the gap is or has been manoeuvred. Its what good 15s do. Hogg did the same for years at Glasgow and it led to cries of he must play 13. At 15 it is easier, for a talent, to spot where to attack, where to hit the line, and teams practice that a lot. Jones is a natural at 15, and his outside defence less exposed.
Good for Glasgow if an keep him. That and ability to play 13 good for Scotland, has to be overtaking Kinghorn
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The Scotsman, or the reporter for the paper, says Richie Gray has played himself into Scotland contention on the back of this evening.

Would you guys (that watched the game) agree?
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Scottish Caley Fan wrote:The Scotsman, or the reporter for the paper, says Richie Gray has played himself into Scotland contention on the back of this evening.

Would you guys (that watched the game) agree?
he dominated the lineout last time, 4 steals, but his scrummaging was very poor, back to old habits of arse too high. Scrummaging better this week but not quite the same lineout dominance (not surprising) but his carrying wasn't great, runs too upright and easily stopped/knocked back.
I'm being hypercritical, bit of balance to the 2 decent games must be capped crew!
I think he is well behind Cummings, his brother, and IMHO Skinner. He could displace Toolis if he keeps scrummaging well, and Gilchrist altho just back from injury looked a busted flush yesterday and hadn't shown much form before that IMHO

One problem is yet again the 6N squad will go into a bubble and its unlikely players will be released back to clubs if not selected, at least in the first 3 rounds. Taking Gray to be 4th in line robs Glasgow to no purpose. If no club games are played of course - and that is quite possible - then that point is moot
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I’m really struggling to imagine Richie Gray keeping up with the pace at international level anymore, but would be nice if he could I guess.
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Cameo wrote:
General Zod wrote:Sounded like a decent game with some brain farts adding to the fun. Wasn’t watching, but it sounded like Thompson and McLean did well, as did both front rows.

Also sounded like Kinghorn is regressing and Groom is neither the future nor the present. Also, neither Fagerson nor Bradbury particularly put their hands up for Scotland.
Was that from the radio? .
Yeah - was more from Peter Wright asking whether he was still on the pitch and no-one else on the commentary team challenging him.

They were also talking about Bennett maybe making the 6N squad. I’d welcome him back if he’s playing well (and not running out the line like he did a few weeks back!).
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septic 9 wrote:
Cameo wrote:
General Zod wrote:Sounded like a decent game with some brain farts adding to the fun. Wasn’t watching, but it sounded like Thompson and McLean did well, as did both front rows.

Also sounded like Kinghorn is regressing and Groom is neither the future nor the present. Also, neither Fagerson nor Bradbury particularly put their hands up for Scotland.
Was that from the radio? Would agree with some of those less so with others.

Was gonna come on here to comment how physical Fagerson was. One loose carry aside, I thought he was very good. Bradbury was a bit anonymous.

Kinghorn was fine and sparked one good attack.

To me, Groom is a fine third choice but not much more.

Thompson was promising but MOTM was a bit far. His main positive was very solid looking goal kicking but was protected a bit in open play. Hope they keep picking him til the end of the season. For me, apart from one drop, Huw Jones was MOTM. By far the most dangerous runner on the pitch (mainly from the centre position).

McLean was fine.
he was without a doubt the most threatening back on the park, but don't make the old mistake. He ran lines to hit gaps, often they are in the "centre" because that is where the gap is or has been manoeuvred. Its what good 15s do. Hogg did the same for years at Glasgow and it led to cries of he must play 13. At 15 it is easier, for a talent, to spot where to attack, where to hit the line, and teams practice that a lot. Jones is a natural at 15, and his outside defence less exposed.
Good for Glasgow if an keep him. That and ability to play 13 good for Scotland, has to be overtaking Kinghorn
I almost recognised that point in my initial post. I was more just saying that they weren't kick return runs. However, it is clearly a different position than Hogg as Jones came through at 13. He has looked good at 15 but Glasgow and Scotland are crying out for a good attacking 13 just now.

Also Hogg would have been a very good 13 (and was decent when played there). He is just a better 15 and we were short everywhere then!
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Mikey Brown wrote:I’m really struggling to imagine Richie Gray keeping up with the pace at international level anymore, but would be nice if he could I guess.
Yeah, he's in contention for the squad in the same way any ex international who has put together a couple of decent games is but I struggle to see he point in bringing him into the squad as a fourth choice. Doesn't look that powerful to me now nor to have the pace he used to occasionally show
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Jones is a tough one. Harris is absolutely nailed on, and for what it’s worth I think has improved quite a lot since becoming a regular international. Maybe just a confidence thing.

I don’t know how we can continue to not use Jones. Have to just keep using him in the 23 shirt I guess. Wouldn’t mind seeing him used as a wing or 12 as and when needed. If that’s the cost of getting him on the pitch.
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Mikey Brown wrote:Jones is a tough one. Harris is absolutely nailed on, and for what it’s worth I think has improved quite a lot since becoming a regular international. Maybe just a confidence thing.

I don’t know how we can continue to not use Jones. Have to just keep using him in the 23 shirt I guess. Wouldn’t mind seeing him used as a wing or 12 as and when needed. If that’s the cost of getting him on the pitch.
I don't think Jones a serious option at 12. His one outing there was awful. He doesn't have the skill set to be a playmaker 12, so it would be a sort of crashball, less skilful version of Sam Johnson (who also needs some better form). I agree about Harris, altho I still do not think attack wise he offers much

I think Jones is at best getting the 23 jersey, and despite my misgivings about 12, he covers 11-15 - he had short cameo on the wing for Glasgow a few games back, looked excellent there as well. He has to be a country mile ahead of Kinghorn for that role now. At least he should be
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septic 9 wrote:
Mikey Brown wrote:Jones is a tough one. Harris is absolutely nailed on, and for what it’s worth I think has improved quite a lot since becoming a regular international. Maybe just a confidence thing.

I don’t know how we can continue to not use Jones. Have to just keep using him in the 23 shirt I guess. Wouldn’t mind seeing him used as a wing or 12 as and when needed. If that’s the cost of getting him on the pitch.
I don't think Jones a serious option at 12. His one outing there was awful. He doesn't have the skill set to be a playmaker 12, so it would be a sort of crashball, less skilful version of Sam Johnson (who also needs some better form). I agree about Harris, altho I still do not think attack wise he offers much

I think Jones is at best getting the 23 jersey, and despite my misgivings about 12, he covers 11-15 - he had short cameo on the wing for Glasgow a few games back, looked excellent there as well. He has to be a country mile ahead of Kinghorn for that role now. At least he should be
Yeah I don’t think he’s really a 12, but he did play most of his super rugby there and looked a real threat. I just mean that having him covering from the bench seems adequate while Johnson/Taylor try to nail down the bits-and-pieces role at 12.

Largely moot if they’re playing outside Weir/VDW but hopefully shouldn’t see too much more of that anyway.
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I remember clamouring for Jones to play 12, it stood to reason that if he had the ball in hand more he could make more happen. Couldn't have been more wrong! He has been an exceptional 13 for us when on form though.

I'm torn on the 13 shirt. Harris hasn't done anything wrong, he's improved a lot in what he offers in attack but Jones on form is outstanding with ball in hand. Bennett looked good in a wee cameo the other day as well. He has never really kicked on from his early potential but should still be in the conversation. It's tough, the solidity Harris gives in midfield shouldn't be scoffed at but I'd like to see more from our attack, I think I would start Jones, but won't complain if Harris retains the shirt
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Maybe I’m wrong but I think while Tandy has the job, so does Harris at 13. Rightly or wrongly.

I guess Jones was absolutely terrible in his (two?) brief outings at 12 for Scotland and I’ve just forgotten.

Feels like Bennett’s time has come and gone, even though he has a lot to like.

Anyway. Shocked to see Kinghorn has just turned 24. Feels like he’s been around a long time already.
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He won't let us down, there's a lot to be said but I think most of us would like to see something more going forward from him.

You have and he was! I rate him really highly but that was a move that really seemed to remove all the good aspects of his game. The only thing that was memorable (to me anyway) about his time at 12 was how disappointing it was.

I know what you're saying about Bennett, just checked and he's only 27 apparently, seems to be the backline equivalent of Rob Harley.
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