Team for Italy

[Galfon]

At least this is not from the back of Toilet-Daws..( )
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56048366

The difference with Ford re. composure and sharpness was wider than ever yesterday it seems - whether this is down to game time
alone, who's to say. On the premise that 'form is temporary, class is permanent', surely having something to work on can be a positive....in the meantime, EJ could try some other options.

[paddy no 11]

In a different scenario that jump isn't safe for may or the tackler, a dive should be downwards not jump and dive surely?

Was there anything in the Farrell clash of heads yesterday?

I think a penalty for just being so careless would have been reasonable. I don’t think it was a particularly bad hit or a cheap shot, but just another sign he does not learn. If they want to avoid head on head clashes it seems reasonable to ping people for those chest tackles that inevitably end up in head contact.

The laws around jumping in/out of tackles seem very unclear in the way they are applied and it won’t surprise me if somebody soon lands directly on their head/neck in a bad way because of it.

Thanks pretty fair summary

[paddy no 11]

Rugby Union is the only oval ball sport where, upon seeing some incredible feat of athleticism, a large percentage of fans initial reaction is whether it should be banned because it could maybe, potentially, theoretically be a little bit dangerous.

Avoiding a tackle by jumping up is not a skill

His dotting down of the ball was though

[paddy no 11]

In a different scenario that jump isn't safe for may or the tackler, a dive should be downwards not jump and dive surely?

Was there anything in the Farrell clash of heads yesterday?

Who cares about any of this.

Ah me obviously and maybe some others.....that ok

[Puja]

In a different scenario that jump isn't safe for may or the tackler, a dive should be downwards not jump and dive surely?

Was there anything in the Farrell clash of heads yesterday?

I think a penalty for just being so careless would have been reasonable. I don’t think it was a particularly bad hit or a cheap shot, but just another sign he does not learn. If they want to avoid head on head clashes it seems reasonable to ping people for those chest tackles that inevitably end up in head contact.

The laws around jumping in/out of tackles seem very unclear in the way they are applied and it won’t surprise me if somebody soon lands directly on their head/neck in a bad way because of it.

Thanks pretty fair summary

Tbh, I didn't see any problem with it whatsoever. Varney actually runs into him as much as Farrell makes a positive attempt to tackle - for my mind just a rugby incident.

Puja

[Gloskarlos]

I was always taught jumping into a tackle was illegal. I was surprised it was awarded at the time. Nigel on Twitter has also said he wouldn’t have let the try stand due to the jump either. It does need clearing up. Going back a few years, lions v ABks I can’t remember who the player was, but he jumped at Kieran Read whilst running at him, read tackled him in the air and got penalised, dodgy decision in my book, Read said to the ref, ‘so I can just jump into any tackle now and not be tackled legally’ (or something similar) which of course is a complete nonsense.

[Mellsblue]

Rugby Union is the only oval ball sport where, upon seeing some incredible feat of athleticism, a large percentage of fans initial reaction is whether it should be banned because it could maybe, potentially, theoretically be a little bit dangerous.

Yep. There is a long list of things in rugby more dangerous, not to mention more frequent, than what May did yesterday. If you’re looking to ban that on safety grounds, you’re looking to pretty much ban rugby.
There’s plenty of stuff to look at that is legitimately dangerous and of no value to the game. Moments of genius/athleticism/high quality/great viewing, such as that finish, are nowhere near such list.

[Mellsblue]

I was always taught jumping into a tackle was illegal. I was surprised it was awarded at the time. Nigel on Twitter has also said he wouldn’t have let the try stand due to the jump either. It does need clearing up. Going back a few years, lions v ABks I can’t remember who the player was, but he jumped at Kieran Read whilst running at him, read tackled him in the air and got penalised, dodgy decision in my book, Read said to the ref, ‘so I can just jump into any tackle now and not be tackled legally’ (or something similar) which of course is a complete nonsense.

I haven’t read or listened to much on it but I believe the law was changed and as he was in the act of scoring a try it’s legal. A few metres further back and it’s illegal.....





.....I think!!!

[Mellsblue]

I think a penalty for just being so careless would have been reasonable. I don’t think it was a particularly bad hit or a cheap shot, but just another sign he does not learn. If they want to avoid head on head clashes it seems reasonable to ping people for those chest tackles that inevitably end up in head contact.

The laws around jumping in/out of tackles seem very unclear in the way they are applied and it won’t surprise me if somebody soon lands directly on their head/neck in a bad way because of it.

Thanks pretty fair summary

Tbh, I didn't see any problem with it whatsoever. Varney actually runs into him as much as Farrell makes a positive attempt to tackle - for my mind just a rugby incident.

Puja

It was a cheap, cowardly shot. Watching it on replay, for me, Farrell only starts accelerating in to the back of Varney once the ball has gone. It’s not as if he doesn’t have form for such. Even if it is a legitimate attempt at a tackle it’s still head to head contact initiated by Farrell. Either way, it’s a pen at worst and a ticking off at best.
If WR brought in a rule that cowardly cheap shots were illegal, and I wish they would, it’d be a yellow.

[Oakboy]

Thanks pretty fair summary

Tbh, I didn't see any problem with it whatsoever. Varney actually runs into him as much as Farrell makes a positive attempt to tackle - for my mind just a rugby incident.

Puja

It was a cheap, cowardly shot. Watching it on replay, for me, Farrell only starts accelerating in to the back of Varney once the ball has gone. It’s not as if he doesn’t have form for such. Even if it is a legitimate attempt at a tackle it’s still head to head contact initiated by Farrell. Either way, it’s a pen at worst and a ticking off at best.
If WR brought in a rule that cowardly cheap shots were illegal, and I wish they would, it’d be a yellow.

I think the worst aspect was that it was another instance of poor judgement. For a captain, Farrell sets such a bad example doing the wrong thing. I might excuse an over-enthusiastic youngster with less than 5 caps but a captain of England with so much experience?

[Mikey Brown]

Thanks pretty fair summary

Tbh, I didn't see any problem with it whatsoever. Varney actually runs into him as much as Farrell makes a positive attempt to tackle - for my mind just a rugby incident.

Puja

It was a cheap, cowardly shot. Watching it on replay, for me, Farrell only starts accelerating in to the back of Varney once the ball has gone. It’s not as if he doesn’t have form for such. Even if it is a legitimate attempt at a tackle it’s still head to head contact initiated by Farrell. Either way, it’s a pen at worst and a ticking off at best.
If WR brought in a rule that cowardly cheap shots were illegal, and I wish they would, it’d be a yellow.

Fair enough. My memory of it is only the close-up, slow-motion shots of the contact that they love so much. It's often hard to get a real feel for these incidents without a wider angle and a bit of lead up in real time.

[Peej]

He was clearly trying to bump him and rough him up, but like with so many things Farrell does currently he got it completely wrong. Gaskell (rightly) got a yellow card in the Premiership for that last weekend.

[morepork]

Farrell immediately dropped to the floor holding his head like he was the wronged party. Classic. He knew what he was doing.

[Timbo]

Let's be honest, the knee doesn't do that without being proper fucked. He's out for a long time, potentially gone forever.

Yes, not good at all.

Dan Leavy has come back this year from something similar and seems to be slowly getting back to his previous level, although it’s 2 years in March since his injury.

Ellis Jenkins played his first game in about 27 months after his knee reconstruction.

How long was Jack out last time?

9-12mths IIRC.

Obviously we don’t know exactly what Jack has done at this point in time so it’s hard to say. However, his lower leg was at least facing the right way which wasn’t the case for Leavy.

Beno Obano completely ruptured his ACL and LCL and had major tears in his PCL and MCL. Basically everything in the knee. He was out for 9mths and doesn’t seem to have suffered any ill effects since returning. He was obviously pretty lucky with that but it shows it can be done.

Let’s keep our fingers crossed for him.

Apparently Jack not done his ACL or PCL, which is very good news of accurate.

[Raggs]

Does reporthe's done a lot of damage though and will be out for a long time.

[Puja]

Thanks pretty fair summary

Tbh, I didn't see any problem with it whatsoever. Varney actually runs into him as much as Farrell makes a positive attempt to tackle - for my mind just a rugby incident.

Puja

It was a cheap, cowardly shot. Watching it on replay, for me, Farrell only starts accelerating in to the back of Varney once the ball has gone. It’s not as if he doesn’t have form for such. Even if it is a legitimate attempt at a tackle it’s still head to head contact initiated by Farrell. Either way, it’s a pen at worst and a ticking off at best.
If WR brought in a rule that cowardly cheap shots were illegal, and I wish they would, it’d be a yellow.

From my (admittedly poor) memory, there's barely any time between ball passed and contact when the replay's in real time, and Varney initiates the contact as much as Fazlet. I certainly don't remember seeing Faz accelerating into contact. Does anyone have a video for me to rewatch and be corrected?

Puja

[Digby]

Thanks pretty fair summary

Tbh, I didn't see any problem with it whatsoever. Varney actually runs into him as much as Farrell makes a positive attempt to tackle - for my mind just a rugby incident.

Puja

It was a cheap, cowardly shot. Watching it on replay, for me, Farrell only starts accelerating in to the back of Varney once the ball has gone. It’s not as if he doesn’t have form for such. Even if it is a legitimate attempt at a tackle it’s still head to head contact initiated by Farrell. Either way, it’s a pen at worst and a ticking off at best.
If WR brought in a rule that cowardly cheap shots were illegal, and I wish they would, it’d be a yellow.

He does have form, but if that's a cheap cowardly shot he's done it in brave fashion leaving himself open to just as much of a prang. I thought it was just an accidental collision, I suppose you could ping Farrell and say the onus is on you to be ultra careful, but that's a hell of a standard that you need to be absent from any possible point of contact, and how that'd inform such as dummy runners might prove interesting.

[Digby]

Does reporthe's done a lot of damage though and will be out for a long time.

I think we'd probably have a more positive response to the game but for that incident leaving such a sour taste

[Mr Mwenda]

Tbh, I didn't see any problem with it whatsoever. Varney actually runs into him as much as Farrell makes a positive attempt to tackle - for my mind just a rugby incident.

Puja

It was a cheap, cowardly shot. Watching it on replay, for me, Farrell only starts accelerating in to the back of Varney once the ball has gone. It’s not as if he doesn’t have form for such. Even if it is a legitimate attempt at a tackle it’s still head to head contact initiated by Farrell. Either way, it’s a pen at worst and a ticking off at best.
If WR brought in a rule that cowardly cheap shots were illegal, and I wish they would, it’d be a yellow.

From my (admittedly poor) memory, there's barely any time between ball passed and contact when the replay's in real time, and Varney initiates the contact as much as Fazlet. I certainly don't remember seeing Faz accelerating into contact. Does anyone have a video for me to rewatch and be corrected?

Puja

I believe in the extended cut Farrell can be seen dealing drugs to kids and mowing down 20 nuns with a machine gun.

[Mellsblue]

It was a cheap, cowardly shot. Watching it on replay, for me, Farrell only starts accelerating in to the back of Varney once the ball has gone. It’s not as if he doesn’t have form for such. Even if it is a legitimate attempt at a tackle it’s still head to head contact initiated by Farrell. Either way, it’s a pen at worst and a ticking off at best.
If WR brought in a rule that cowardly cheap shots were illegal, and I wish they would, it’d be a yellow.

From my (admittedly poor) memory, there's barely any time between ball passed and contact when the replay's in real time, and Varney initiates the contact as much as Fazlet. I certainly don't remember seeing Faz accelerating into contact. Does anyone have a video for me to rewatch and be corrected?

Puja

I believe in the extended cut Farrell can be seen dealing drugs to kids and mowing down 20 nuns with a machine gun.

He does have form for such. Plus, if you watch the slow mo, it’s 21 nuns.

[Digby]

From my (admittedly poor) memory, there's barely any time between ball passed and contact when the replay's in real time, and Varney initiates the contact as much as Fazlet. I certainly don't remember seeing Faz accelerating into contact. Does anyone have a video for me to rewatch and be corrected?

Puja

I believe in the extended cut Farrell can be seen dealing drugs to kids and mowing down 20 nuns with a machine gun.

He does have form for such. Plus, if you watch the slow mo, it’s 21 nuns.

So actually he's protected some children from being beaten and raped! The man's a hero

[morepork]

Jesus.

[Mr Mwenda]

Jesus.

I wouldn't go that far in adulation.

[Mellsblue]

Jesus.

It’s not the most hyperbolic comparison I’ve heard for Farrell but it’s close.

[oldbackrow]

I was always taught jumping into a tackle was illegal. I was surprised it was awarded at the time. Nigel on Twitter has also said he wouldn’t have let the try stand due to the jump either. It does need clearing up. Going back a few years, lions v ABks I can’t remember who the player was, but he jumped at Kieran Read whilst running at him, read tackled him in the air and got penalised, dodgy decision in my book, Read said to the ref, ‘so I can just jump into any tackle now and not be tackled legally’ (or something similar) which of course is a complete nonsense.

It was Sinkler and he had jumped to recieve a pass into his midriff and Read hit him before his feet were on the floor. That was in open play but May's was going for the tryline so he could have been tackled without penalty.