Autumn Series 2021: Scotland

[whatisthejava]

Fagerson started at the mouth and pulled him back, camera isn’t clear but I doubt he will get cited , it’s not a red card

[Big D]

a win's a win.

Too many errors and poor decisions from experienced players.

Russell mixed, but not the main problem.

Hogg was poor, several times took the wrong option and could have cost us scores as well as losing chances
Graham - was especially poor. Seemed to hare off in the wrong direction every time he got the ball. Away from support and some headless chicken stuff.
Watson - MoM? Well I thought he was quiet but ball in hand a saw couple of examples of the old Watson. Head down no awareness of those around him. Not good enough for a traditional openside.
Harris was what Harris is. Good defender but totally shit attacker. Unable to straighten the line, draw a man, no acceleration/pace for an outside break. Attack dies when ball reaches him

Three of those will still start, not sure Graham will when we have excellent options

Watson was quiet but after only 50min of rugby under his belt it is perhaps understandable. He did get a try and a great turnover on our line in the first half so I can see why he was given it.

I don't think we had that many stand out performers. Lots of 7 out of 10s, mixed with a some 6's and the odd 8 for me.

I wouldn't be surprised if Graham is dropped. Maitland, Steyn and McLean all have a reasonable shout to play given the opposition.

[Mikey Brown]

I can't see McLean getting a shot and I figured we'd moved past Maitland to be honest. Steyn just seems a good all rounder. I really like D'Arcy and he is far better in defence and under the high ball than often given credit for, but headless chicken is not a bad way to describe much of what we saw yesterday.

I was slightly surprised at Watson's MOTM too actually. I assumed it would be one of the locks who went about their business very solidly. Not an exciting pick but I thought they fronted up well and Gilchrist in particular did so much fringe defence work.

I'm unsure about the Kebble at TH thing too, but you'd think GT would have looked at Rae/McCallum already if they were likely to be involved.

Pleasantly surprised with Schoeman so far. He's brought his general energy and physicality without doing anything mental, or not that I've noticed.

[stevedog1980]

Any word on Turner? Looked in some discomfort when he came off

[Big D]

Any word on Turner? Looked in some discomfort when he came off

Rumours are broken/cracked ribs

[Cameo]

a win's a win.

Too many errors and poor decisions from experienced players.

Russell mixed, but not the main problem.

Hogg was poor, several times took the wrong option and could have cost us scores as well as losing chances
Graham - was especially poor. Seemed to hare off in the wrong direction every time he got the ball. Away from support and some headless chicken stuff.
Watson - MoM? Well I thought he was quiet but ball in hand a saw couple of examples of the old Watson. Head down no awareness of those around him. Not good enough for a traditional openside.
Harris was what Harris is. Good defender but totally shit attacker. Unable to straighten the line, draw a man, no acceleration/pace for an outside break. Attack dies when ball reaches him

Three of those will still start, not sure Graham will when we have excellent options

Surprised with your assessment of Graham. Looked over excited a couple of times but also very dangerous. Also had a great piece of covering on the left that saved a try.

I also thought Hogg was mixed rather than poor. A few mistakes but also created a couple of great opportunities.

[oldbackrow]

Berghan has not played this season. If he had been fit he would have been in the squad. Kebble is not a TH. Not yet at this level anyway, no way against the Boks. Need to call up McCallum or Rae or Sebastian whether Fagerson is available or not.
Fagerson pushed Hooper away hand in face. Some twitter clips do not look good, but as ever perspective etc means not 100% clear. White pushed his hand down into Gilchrist's face when Gilchrist flat on his back. No mention of that on the twittersphere

Not an unbaised view but why was his hand anywhere near Hoopers face?

about 0:55

[whatisthejava]

My favorite bit

Hardly any contact

Swinging arm and any contact is a penalty
Hope crawls so is a double movement
Contact with face isn’t a straight red

Stretching , ozzies just pissy

[oldbackrow]

My favorite bit

Hardly any contact

Swinging arm and any contact is a penalty
Hope crawls so is a double movement
Contact with face isn’t a straight red

Stretching , ozzies just pissy

Nothing wrong with Hoopers try just the clearout leading up to it.

[Mikey Brown]

Yeah he’s flying off his feet either way, but since when is that consistently pinged I suppose.

It’s an unnatural looking swinging of the arm that hits a player in the face, not very hard fortunately as that would have been red. Nobody will ever know 3 golds true intention there, to me it feels like he slightly backs out from a cheap shot. The way he swings his arm in that direction just looks counter-intuitive to clearing that ruck.

Splitting the difference between the red for a swinging arm to the head, and a penalty for just being clumsy - yellow seems about right.

But very odd to compare it to a shove, not that Zander was correct to shove Hooper in the face at all, he’s an idiot.

[General Zod]

Still haven’t seen it after the game. I saw it in the stadium from miles away at the time and the replay didn’t look as bad as what I thought I saw.

What confused me was the yellow - it was the sort of thing that you could argue should be a red or nothing. That said, I do reckon a yellow was about right and the lad cost his team a try.

Hopefully, we also learn lessons from that.

[septic 9]

Still haven’t seen it after the game. I saw it in the stadium from miles away at the time and the replay didn’t look as bad as what I thought I saw.

What confused me was the yellow - it was the sort of thing that you could argue should be a red or nothing. That said, I do reckon a yellow was about right and the lad cost his team a try.

Hopefully, we also learn lessons from that.

decision making process for ref is clear. Contact with head - start at red, then look at mitigating factors. Did Fagerson head move down? No. was there a lot of force or little force? Ref seemed clear low level of force so mitigated down to yellow. I think correct decision, but the aussie was lucky.
Had he tried to stay on his feet and support his own weight as he is supposed to, there would have been no incident

[septic 9]

My favorite bit

Hardly any contact

Swinging arm and any contact is a penalty
Hope crawls so is a double movement
Contact with face isn’t a straight red

Stretching , ozzies just pissy

Nothing wrong with Hoopers try just the clearout leading up to it.

apart from propelling himself forward with knees and toes after the tackle and before just being able to reach the line with his outstretched arm. He crawled. Fans of any team scoring that is happy, fans any team conceding it would be livid.

I think had the prop not been carded it would have been reviewed

[septic 9]

Not an unbaised view but why was his hand anywhere near Hoopers face?

about 0:55

the answers are in the post you quote, but I'll happily make even clearer his hand should not have been near his face. Nor should White's been near Gilchrist's face.
I could try to explain that Fagerson was trying to pull Hooper away, but that does not excuse doing something that always carries huge risk. On the oither hand I can't explain white's action as he attacked a guy lying on his back. white had been behaving like a petulant little shit all game, and if it hadn't been Poite's last game he would have binned him for back chat at least once.

PS the video as I said earlier is not a good look, but perspective in these is never 100% accurate. I'll wait and see if he is cited, if he is no argument from me

[septic 9]

good news this morning is that Turner's injury does not seem to be anything like as bad as everyone feared. Dalzeil thinks he may be fit to play next weekend. with a rib injury, I'd be reluctant to risk him

[Mikey Brown]

good news this morning is that Turner's injury does not seem to be anything like as bad as everyone feared. Dalzeil thinks he may be fit to play next weekend. with a rib injury, I'd be reluctant to risk him

I’m glad that’s all it is (not to diminish it, I’m sure it hurts like fuck) I just assumed from his face that it was something like another head knock that he feared may have some lasting effects on his ability to play.

He seems pretty tough so that must have been some shot to have him practically crying like that. Did anyone actually see it?

[stevedog1980]

Why did Tupou lead with his head when tackling Johnson and why wasn't it reviewed or sanctioned? All year long, tackling with head to head contact has been an instant red card

[Mikey Brown]

Why did Tupou lead with his head when tackling Johnson and why wasn't it reviewed or sanctioned? All year long, tackling with head to head contact has been an instant red card

That hadn't even occurred to me, but it's a good question.

I haven't got a clue how Johnson came out of that collision unscathed, but if the responses had been reversed it would have been a clear red to Tupou.

[septic 9]

good news this morning is that Turner's injury does not seem to be anything like as bad as everyone feared. Dalzeil thinks he may be fit to play next weekend. with a rib injury, I'd be reluctant to risk him

I’m glad that’s all it is (not to diminish it, I’m sure it hurts like fuck) I just assumed from his face that it was something like another head knock that he feared may have some lasting effects on his ability to play.

He seems pretty tough so that must have been some shot to have him practically crying like that. Did anyone actually see it?

TBH when I saw him close to tears my first thought was another head injury and maybe the end of the road for him. I was almost in tears myself.
That said, rib injuries are incredibly painful, and depending on what exactly it is can take ages to heal. I wouldn't be risking him this week as it could easily re-occur, but worse

[septic 9]

Why did Tupou lead with his head when tackling Johnson and why wasn't it reviewed or sanctioned? All year long, tackling with head to head contact has been an instant red card

That hadn't even occurred to me, but it's a good question.

I haven't got a clue how Johnson came out of that collision unscathed, but if the responses had been reversed it would have been a clear red to Tupou.

upright in tackle, arms by his side. Definitely bad technique, and that's being very kind. easily could have been a red.

Who'd be an aussie tight head prop at murrayfield?
Last 3 -
Kepu, red card.
Alaalatoa - yellow card, fortunate not to be red, then HIA
Tupou - knocked himself out cold through his own poor (or foul) technique

To misquote Bill Shakespeare, we come to bury aussie tight heads, not to praise them

[Tobylerone]

I wouldn't be risking him this week as it could easily re-occur, but worse

The Saffers, of course, wouldn`t even dream of targeting him..

[stevedog1980]

As for the yellow card, I think that was harsh. I think Alaalatoa went into that ruck expecting to be in a position to hit and clear Zander Fagerson, when he's found that ZF wasn't where he was expecting him to be he's left himself going to ground and with nowhere to put his arm. There's definite contact with Matt Fagerson but I don't think it was necessarily malicious or even deliberate. I'd have said that was a penalty because of the contact but penalty only. We argued strongly enough when ZF was red carded against Wales that a ruck was an evolving thing and that players don't have long to make decisions etc. That being said, I definitely think Tupou should have been red carded for foul play so perhaps it's a swings and roundabouts situation

[Big D]

The Saffers have named their team:
Nche, Mbonambi, Nyakane
Eben E, Mostert
Kolisi, Smith , Vermulen

Jantjies x2

Mapimpi, De Allende, Am, Kriel, Le Roux

[septic 9]

As for the yellow card, I think that was harsh. I think Alaalatoa went into that ruck expecting to be in a position to hit and clear Zander Fagerson, when he's found that ZF wasn't where he was expecting him to be he's left himself going to ground and with nowhere to put his arm. There's definite contact with Matt Fagerson but I don't think it was necessarily malicious or even deliberate. I'd have said that was a penalty because of the contact but penalty only.

It was not harsh it was correct.

Here's a link to the "ruck". I've taken it from where the prop arrives and launches. The law requires anyone joining a ruck to bind on to a team mate or opponent, stay on feet and have head higher than hips. Fails on all 3 counts. Flying off feet means he is not in control and that is at best reckless and at worst dangerous. I think the mitigation down from red because it was low force is correct in that it is how refs are told to ref it. My own view is anyone launching themselves like that should be a red card; it is just dangerous and the only way to stop it is to ensure coaches change coaching by dropping those who keep getting sent off

[Mikey Brown]

Even that thumbnail pisses me off remembering Johnson getting taken out before he could get on the end of that offload. Aus did very well to take out the support players several times and not get caught.

It's a shame to be such a sore winner and complaining about their horrible, cheating ways but they started it.