If Russia invades Ukraine (more)...

[Which Tyler]

Munitions depot in Belgorod, Russia - just over the border from Kharkiv


According to a friend wh can speak Russian - state media is claiming it was a Ukrainian shell, 4 Russian soldiers injured

[Galfon]

..Russia, China and its sympathizers are moving towards a "multipolar, just, democratic world order". sayeth Lavrov..,with a straight face too. True professional.

[kk67]

Mea culpa.
Cannot deny I got this one totally wrong. Made me laugh to see that France has sacked it's senior General for also getting it totally wrong.

Funnily enough, in regard to Hunter Biden and the realpolitik of energy and war I had to dig out this old story.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... up-attempt

[kk67]

It's not a justification for my getting it wrong, but it is a matter of historical record. The Saffers gave him 4 years.


Apologies to Sandy and all.

[cashead]

Munitions depot in Belgorod, Russia - just over the border from Kharkiv


According to a friend wh can speak Russian - state media is claiming it was a Ukrainian shell, 4 Russian soldiers injured

Some choice quotes from the Russian government in the news about it.

He said that at around 05:00 Moscow time (02:00 GMT) two Ukrainian Mi-24 helicopters entered Russian airspace at extremely low altitude and "launched a missile attack on a civilian oil storage facility" on the outskirts of Belgorod. Some storage tanks were damaged and caught fire, he said.

"The oil storage facility has nothing to do with the Russian armed forces," he said.

"Nothing to do with the Russian armed forces," you know, just like the fucking 100+ children your armed forces have murdered, including the ones in that theatre in Mariupol.

President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said the incident "cannot be perceived as creating comfortable conditions for continuing the talks" with Kyiv.

Literally fuck all the way off. You don't get to invade"special operations" another country and then turn around and whine about how they defend themselves against a hostile special operationsing army, you fucking crybaby.

[Stom]

Especially when you likely carried out the attacks on yourself…

[Mellsblue]

Fu.Kin.Hell.

[paddy no 11]

Some of the reports of rape and mass murder of male population by exiting Russian troops are horrific. Pure barbarism

I hope Ukraine survives this and putin and lavrov die screaming

[cashead]

Yep, an example of what Ukrainians are finding in the areas that they've liberated from the Russians. If you want to have a gander, just highlight the text and go to the link via right click or whatever.

The streets are also littered with the bodies of dead Russians that the invading bandits couldn't recover, which is something you don't see in a functioning military.

It appears the much-vaunted VDV in particular are getting absolutely fucked up.



Indeed.


Oh, and in further news, the Germans and the US are sending more gear to the Ukrainians. The US are sending Puma and Switchblade drones, so expect more footage of Russian vehicles being blowed up real good.

[cashead]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510 ... 59553.html

I hope Ukraine survives this and putin and lavrov die screaming

[Zhivago]

Mea culpa.
Cannot deny I got this one totally wrong.

Did you escape the rabbit hole yet?

[Banquo]

Yay...Orban re-elected

[Which Tyler]

Well fuck.

[Puja]

Well fuck.

Jesus fuck. That kind of propaganda doesn't suggest that Russia is even slightly considering looking at a negotiated peace. Even if we assume that Putin himself doesn't believe that (which is not a given), that is not rhetoric which allows any room for a graceful climbdown/declaring that you've won and have achieved what you wanted all along. That's doubling down on the only option being the complete annexation of the country.

It's also the kind of propaganda that could justify nuking the country in a "better dead than Nazi" fit of pique.

Puja

[cashead]

Some truly horrific stuff coming out of Bucha, including evidence of the rape and murder a 3 year-old, dumped on top of the corpse of her teenage sister, also raped and murdered, among a pile of corpses.

I'd link to the photo, but yeah, there are some things you just really don't need to see.

[paddy no 11]

Horrific shit

I hope putin is dead by the time I hit submit

[cashead]

Paddington's seen some shit.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Well fuck.

Jesus fuck. That kind of propaganda doesn't suggest that Russia is even slightly considering looking at a negotiated peace. Even if we assume that Putin himself doesn't believe that (which is not a given), that is not rhetoric which allows any room for a graceful climbdown/declaring that you've won and have achieved what you wanted all along. That's doubling down on the only option being the complete annexation of the country.

It's also the kind of propaganda that could justify nuking the country in a "better dead than Nazi" fit of pique.

Puja

Loving the use of the concept of denazification as an excuse for NAZI policies.

Not going to be much forgiveness when the fighting's done.

[Puja]

Well fuck.

Jesus fuck. That kind of propaganda doesn't suggest that Russia is even slightly considering looking at a negotiated peace. Even if we assume that Putin himself doesn't believe that (which is not a given), that is not rhetoric which allows any room for a graceful climbdown/declaring that you've won and have achieved what you wanted all along. That's doubling down on the only option being the complete annexation of the country.

It's also the kind of propaganda that could justify nuking the country in a "better dead than Nazi" fit of pique.

Puja

Loving the use of the concept of denazification as an excuse for NAZI policies.

Not going to be much forgiveness when the fighting's done.

Also explains the prevalence of the atrocities left behind by Russian troops - extensive othering of even the general populace as monsters. Anyone who fought wasn't really a person that one could empathise with, they were a Nazi with no more humanity than an orc or an Uruk-hai.

Puja

[cashead]

Mark Hertling continues to weigh in, dropping knowledge.



The entire tweet thread is here:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1511 ... 45347.html

[Zhivago]

Well fuck.

"Denazification will inevitably also be a de-Ukrainization"
"[listed as an initial necessary step...] liquidation of [... ] informational and educational infrastructure that ensures [pro-ukrainian] activity"
"The name 'Ukraine' apparently cannot be retained as the title of any fully denazified state entity"
"Ukrainism is an artificial anti-Russian construction"
"Ukraine, as history has shown, is impossible as a nation state"
"not just the Bandera version of Nazi Ukraine will be eradicated, but including, and above all, Western totalitarianism [will be eradicated]"
https://ccl.org.ua/en/news/ria-novosti- ... ukraine-2/

Really genocidal propaganda

[Which Tyler]

https://ccl.org.ua/en/news/ria-novosti- ... ukraine-2/

Really genocidal propaganda

I must admit, "Mein Kampf Fanfic" is not a genre I'd ever considered before

[Son of Mathonwy]

Thought I'd copy those disgusting quotes to the thread for ease of reference (in case they become hard to find on Twitter):

An op-ed for state news agency RIA Novosti titled "What Russia should do with Ukraine" by pundit Timofei Sergeitsev has created quite a stir today

The rhetoric is truly horrific, even by the standards of what I'm used to seeing from pro-Kremlin media

Below are a few quotes:

"Denazification is a set of measures aimed at the nazified mass of the population, which technically cannot be subjected to direct punishment as war criminals"

"However, besides the elite, a significant part of the masses of the people, who are passive nazis, are accomplices to Nazism. They have supported the Nazi authorities and indulged them..."

"...The just punishment for this part of the population is possible only as the bearing of the inevitable hardships of a just war against the Nazi system"

"The name Ukraine can seemingly not be retained as the title of any fully denazified state formation on the territory liberated from the Nazi regime"

"Denazification is inevitably also deukrainisation – a rejection of the large-scale artificial inflation of the ethnic element of self-identification of the population of the territories of the historical Malorossiya and Novorossiya begun by the Soviet authorities"

"Unlike, let’s say, Georgia or the Baltics, Ukraine, as history has shown, is unviable as a national state, and attempts to 'build' one logically lead to Nazism"

"The Banderite elite must be liquidated, its reeducation is impossible. The social 'swamp' which actively and passively supports it must undergo the hardships of war and digest the experience as a historical lesson and atonement" END

[morepork]

Please tell me the Kremlin do not have legitimate presence on FaceBook, twitter et.al....

[kk67]

Yay...Orban re-elected

Hmmmm.
Not good. Suspect Sir Victor Nix is running his evil bollocks again.