Pivac

[UKHamlet]

Do we get rid now, or wait until the embarrassing exposure of an early RWC exit?

If we do get rid, who do we bring in?

I must admit, I don't fancy O'Gara as coach, despite his apparent success at it. He'll always have his eye on the Irish job. The current crop of Welsh coaches aren't good enough, except maybe Flanagan, but he's not proven yet. I'd rather not import a big name NZer who doesn't really get NH rugby and will try to turn Wales into NZ B. Any thoughts?

[MrK]

Now.

Anyone.

But Id take Gatland for 12 months, he does this kind of thing for the Lions so has experience (I was one of those who agreed his time was up when he left but Id take him for ST)

That buys us time to get a top coach (I dont know who)

[pompey-zebra]

These results cannot be acceptable- a thrashing by NZ, a humiliation by Georgia, and a capitulation against a second string Australia. Pivac should go and if the WRU decide to.keep him, they should be absolutely transparent to the reason why.

I'd take gatland back for a year. I doubt he could recreate the best years of his tenure, but the team would at least have a focus and clarity lacking at the moment.

[Sandydragon]

Get rid now.

Gatland maybe, probably the safest bet of making us competitive again. Of the welsh coaches, Dai Young is most likely but I’m not a fan. O’Gara is doing well but I’m not sure he is right for us.

But any of those three would be preferable to this disaster epic.

[UKHamlet]

The Times is reporting the WRU has already met with Gatland and Steve Tandy.

[UKHamlet]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/wale ... -dchqkzg0k

[Sandydragon]

The Times is reporting the WRU has already met with Gatland and Steve Tandy.

At the moment I’d be happier with Mad Lyn.

Maybe if the RFU sack Jones we can nab him and benefit from the first year boost he normally brings

[Mikey Brown]

Do you want to trade for Jones until the World Cup? Just for a laugh? Most coaches get some good initial results don’t they? Can’t recall if that was the case with Pivac though.

I turned off at 70 minutes, thought you had it sewn up. Can what happened after really be down to the coach?

[Buggaluggs]

Do you want to trade for Jones until the World Cup? Just for a laugh? Most coaches get some good initial results don’t they? Can’t recall if that was the case with Pivac though.

I turned off at 70 minutes, thought you had it sewn up. Can what happened after really be down to the coach?

Game management. Taking off cool heads at the wrong time. Having 80 guys turn out for Wales on his watch and yet still not having developed strength in depth in key areas.

[Buggaluggs]

Do you want to trade for Jones until the World Cup? Just for a laugh? Most coaches get some good initial results don’t they? Can’t recall if that was the case with Pivac though.

I turned off at 70 minutes, thought you had it sewn up. Can what happened after really be down to the coach?

Game management. Taking off cool heads at the wrong time. Having 80 guys turn out for Wales on his watch and yet still not having developed strength in depth in key areas.

..and he is noted for disliking Clarks Pies. Right there's your problem.

[Son of Mathonwy]

I don't think Gatland is worth having without Edwards. I'd rather see what Pivac and his team can do than a caretaker. However, if we can get a very good coach who is a long term option, I say go for it.

Yeah, I'd hate O'Gara too.

[Hooky]

Gatland through to world Cup pls, with Tandy as defence coach. We need some respect back. Fucking laughing stock. Yesterday was actually more embarrassing than Georgia. Weak as piss mentality. They should apologise for shaming the shirt. Feel sorry for those who attended.

[Mikey Brown]

Oh you’re taking Tandy back are you?

It means you have to field Chris Harris.

I think I can come to terms with that, but can you?

[Numbers]

Do you want to trade for Jones until the World Cup? Just for a laugh? Most coaches get some good initial results don’t they? Can’t recall if that was the case with Pivac though.

I turned off at 70 minutes, thought you had it sewn up. Can what happened after really be down to the coach?

Game management. Taking off cool heads at the wrong time. Having 80 guys turn out for Wales on his watch and yet still not having developed strength in depth in key areas.

Tipuric being sent off for an idiotic trip and then a yellow for collapsing a maul where an Aus player joined the maul from in front of the ball carrier, those were the two moments that lost us that match. Would you like to expand on the areas where we need to improve depth where the coaching setup has failed?

[ALunpg]

Do we get rid now, or wait until the embarrassing exposure of an early RWC exit?

If we do get rid, who do we bring in?

I must admit, I don't fancy O'Gara as coach, despite his apparent success at it. He'll always have his eye on the Irish job. The current crop of Welsh coaches aren't good enough, except maybe Flanagan, but he's not proven yet. I'd rather not import a big name NZer who doesn't really get NH rugby and will try to turn Wales into NZ B. Any thoughts?

Yeah , he has to go and before December starts , but , we need time to find the right alternate for 2027, however that was the same task that delivered Pivac for 2023, so I am not overly filled with confidence on the WRU landing the right man.

I get the concern of a NZ big name , but , where is the quality elsewhere thats instantly available . I am not convinced that Robertson would come now or later , so who else is there,as you say O'Gara will be looking at Ireland.

I am also not 100% sold on Gatland walking in without some other changes, and that is where it gets messy, Tandy will not leave Scotland without a long term contract , so are there other drop ins ?
Wayne Smith is an option , he just did a great job along with the NZ womens team , and his style of play would have most Welsh supporters very happy, but , is just replacing the head person enough ?

And yes , we also need to sort the WRU proffesional structure out asap, otherwise this is all just window dressing.

[Sandydragon]

`Looks like Privac isn’t going to France on his recce, which suggests that his position is really in jeopardy. Could the WRU about to be decisive?

[Son of Mathonwy]

It was fine to be decisive and quickly get rid after the 2007 WC. Completely different a year before 2023. They need someone good lined up. And I'm with Hooky that Gatland would be a bad choice.

[Sandydragon]

It was fine to be decisive and quickly get rid after the 2007 WC. Completely different a year before 2023. They need someone good lined up. And I'm with Hooky that Gatland would be a bad choice.

Its definitely a risk. And if it were just the AIs then I personally wouldn't be up for taking it. But we have been shocking all year. We did manage to win a six nations as a result of some good luck in the Ireland game and arguably the Scottish game. but have we moved forward at all since Gatland left?

Gatland won't move us forward but he might be able to identify the best squad and get them working to be competitive come the RWC. Right now I only fancy us to beat Portugal in our group, although on paper we should beat Georgia I wouldn't bet the mortgage on it. Privac doesn't seem to have settled on a team or a style of play and we can't go into next year without some semblance of order.

[Son of Mathonwy]

It was fine to be decisive and quickly get rid after the 2007 WC. Completely different a year before 2023. They need someone good lined up. And I'm with Hooky that Gatland would be a bad choice.

Its definitely a risk. And if it were just the AIs then I personally wouldn't be up for taking it. But we have been shocking all year. We did manage to win a six nations as a result of some good luck in the Ireland game and arguably the Scottish game. but have we moved forward at all since Gatland left?

Gatland won't move us forward but he might be able to identify the best squad and get them working to be competitive come the RWC. Right now I only fancy us to beat Portugal in our group, although on paper we should beat Georgia I wouldn't bet the mortgage on it. Privac doesn't seem to have settled on a team or a style of play and we can't go into next year without some semblance of order.

Yeah but Gatland was no more successful with the Lions in SA than Pivac was with the much weaker Welsh squad. Honestly I'd rather Pivac try than Gatland (without Edwards) fail again.

[Numbers]

It was fine to be decisive and quickly get rid after the 2007 WC. Completely different a year before 2023. They need someone good lined up. And I'm with Hooky that Gatland would be a bad choice.

Its definitely a risk. And if it were just the AIs then I personally wouldn't be up for taking it. But we have been shocking all year. We did manage to win a six nations as a result of some good luck in the Ireland game and arguably the Scottish game. but have we moved forward at all since Gatland left?

Gatland won't move us forward but he might be able to identify the best squad and get them working to be competitive come the RWC. Right now I only fancy us to beat Portugal in our group, although on paper we should beat Georgia I wouldn't bet the mortgage on it. Privac doesn't seem to have settled on a team or a style of play and we can't go into next year without some semblance of order.

We were one disallowed try off finishing third in the 6 nations, have some perspective, it's this attitude that is to the detriment of Welsh rugby, knee jerk, reactionary foolishness.

[Sandydragon]

It was fine to be decisive and quickly get rid after the 2007 WC. Completely different a year before 2023. They need someone good lined up. And I'm with Hooky that Gatland would be a bad choice.

Its definitely a risk. And if it were just the AIs then I personally wouldn't be up for taking it. But we have been shocking all year. We did manage to win a six nations as a result of some good luck in the Ireland game and arguably the Scottish game. but have we moved forward at all since Gatland left?

Gatland won't move us forward but he might be able to identify the best squad and get them working to be competitive come the RWC. Right now I only fancy us to beat Portugal in our group, although on paper we should beat Georgia I wouldn't bet the mortgage on it. Privac doesn't seem to have settled on a team or a style of play and we can't go into next year without some semblance of order.

We were one disallowed try off finishing third in the 6 nations, have some perspective, it's this attitude that is to the detriment of Welsh rugby, knee jerk, reactionary foolishness.

We would have won that Italian game comfortably if we had approach it right. Turning down kicks at goal to build a lead for example. I do blame Privac for that and the end result was we lost to Italy at home. Ad to that the constant chopping and changing in key positions and its hard to believe that privac is suited to be a national coach. Gatland isnt the long term solution but if he can give us a game plan the players can take onboard and actually follow that would be a benefit.

[newgalesurf]

The 34-13 lead was on the back of Australia having 2 in the bin as well, so flattered to deceive.

I was going to give Pivac a bit of a pass due to the idiotic onfield decisions made by players that cost the game. But the lack of a cohesive plan and settled lineup moving towards a World Cup is on him.

We should have easily beaten Aus and Georgia with the players that should be available. NZ we should be competitive against, but does seem to be a mental block against the Men in Black

[Sandydragon]

The 34-13 lead was on the back of Australia having 2 in the bin as well, so flattered to deceive.

I was going to give Pivac a bit of a pass due to the idiotic onfield decisions made by players that cost the game. But the lack of a cohesive plan and settled lineup moving towards a World Cup is on him.

We should have easily beaten Aus and Georgia with the players that should be available. NZ we should be competitive against, but does seem to be a mental block against the Men in Black

Although those yellows came from excellent play by us. Which makes the last 20 even more galling.

[pompey-zebra]

Pivac's gone according to the fail, with Gatland taking over for a 2 year deal, with the option of more.

[Which Tyler]

Pivac's gone according to the fail, with Gatland taking over for a 2 year deal, with the option of more.

Thank you for your sacrifice