Bath v Newcastle; Saturday, 3.00

[Which Tyler]

Ref: Jack Makepeace
TJs: Anthony Woodthorpe & Jonathan Healy
TMO: David Rose

Bath Rugby:
15 Matt Gallagher
14 Joe Cokanasiga
13 Ollie Lawrence
12 Max Ojomoh
11 Ruaridh McConnochie
10 Orlando Bailey
9 Ben Spencer ©

1 Lewis Boyce
2 Niall Annett
3 D’Arcy Rae
4 Dave Attwood
5 Fergus Lee-Warner
6 Ted Hill
7 Sam Underhill
8 Josh Bayliss

16 John Stewart, 17 Valeriy Morozov, 18 Johannes Jonker, 19 Will Spencer, 20 Miles Reid, 23 Chris Cloete
21 Louis Schreuder, 22 Jonathan Joseph

Stewart's on debut, Cloete returning from injury


Newcastle Falcons:
15 Elliott Obatoyinbo
14 Ben Stevenson
13 Matias Orlando
12 Tom Penny (c)
11 Mateo Carreras
10 Brett Connon
9 Sam Stuart

1 Adam Brocklebank
2 Jamie Blamire
3 Trevor Davison
4 Greg Peterson
5 Sebastian de Chaves
6 Gary Graham
7 Callum Chick
8 Carl Fearns

16 Ollie Fletcher, 17 Logovi’i Mulipola, 18 Richard Palframan, 19 Matthew Dalton, 20 Tom Marshall
21 Michael Young, 22 Matias Moroni, 23 Adam Radwan

Davison wins his 100th cap

[Which Tyler]

Awful whether, and pitch conditions, and a bad day at the office for the ref.
Lots of kick tennis, and it's 7-10 at HT but no real excitement.

[p/d]

Underhill injured or run of the mill substitution?

[Which Tyler]

Underhill injured or run of the mill substitution?

I didn't spot anything, so presumably just easing him (and Cloete) in after injury.

I guess when you've got 2 backrowers on the bench, you can afford to go early with one of them

[Which Tyler]

Wow, not seen that mistake before.

Bath score a penalty to go 8 points up with 60 seconds to go, bring on 3 substitutes, but only take off 2.
Penalty Newcastle where the ball was (with Bath on a charge) when it was noticed.

I'll take the win, but that's cost us even a chance at a TBP

[Puja]

Wow, not seen that mistake before.

Bath score a penalty to go 8 points up with 60 seconds to go, bring on 3 substitutes, but only take off 1.
Penalty Newcastle where the ball was (with Bath on a charge) when it was noticed.

I'll take the win, but that's cost us even a chance at a TBP

Technically speaking, isn't that a forfeit? I don't know what the rules of the Prem are on such things, but having 16 on the pitch (or 17, in this case) is often a forfeit of the match points.

Puja

[Which Tyler]

Wow, not seen that mistake before.

Bath score a penalty to go 8 points up with 60 seconds to go, bring on 3 substitutes, but only take off 1.
Penalty Newcastle where the ball was (with Bath on a charge) when it was noticed.

I'll take the win, but that's cost us even a chance at a TBP

Technically speaking, isn't that a forfeit? I don't know what the rules of the Prem are on such things, but having 16 on the pitch (or 17, in this case) is often a forfeit of the match points.

Puja

Sorry, taking off 2, not 1

And I've no idea. On the field, it's a penalty at the point it's noticed, which seems... lenient (I'd have thought yellow card for the excess player AND his replacement). I guess there could be further sanction applied post-match.

I guess that Bath would argue it's the 4th official's mistake; or the ref's for restarting too soon before the players knew who was off; but... that would seem to be clutching at straws personally.
I'm confident it will be litigated though.

[Puja]

Wow, not seen that mistake before.

Bath score a penalty to go 8 points up with 60 seconds to go, bring on 3 substitutes, but only take off 1.
Penalty Newcastle where the ball was (with Bath on a charge) when it was noticed.

I'll take the win, but that's cost us even a chance at a TBP

Technically speaking, isn't that a forfeit? I don't know what the rules of the Prem are on such things, but having 16 on the pitch (or 17, in this case) is often a forfeit of the match points.

Puja

Sorry, taking off 2, not 1

And I've no idea. On the field, it's a penalty at the point it's noticed, which seems... lenient (I'd have thought yellow card for the excess player AND his replacement). I guess there could be further sanction applied post-match.

I guess that Bath would argue it's the 4th official's mistake; or the ref's for restarting too soon before the players knew who was off; but... that would seem to be clutching at straws personally.
I'm confident it will be litigated though.

A prolonged google suggests that there is nothing in the GP regs about it, which would mean that the IRB laws of the game are the only thing that applies (so, just the onfield penalty). Sorry for worrying you!

I remember England did it back in the 2003 RWC (albeit theirs was only for 30 seconds and I don't believe any rugby was actually played, let alone either of the players having an effect on the game). There were howls from the Welsh supporters that we should be ejected from the competition, if I recall correctly, but it was just a fine for our overly enthusiastic subs manager.

Puja

[Which Tyler]

I remember England did it back in the 2003 RWC (albeit theirs was only for 30 seconds and I don't believe any rugby was actually played, let alone either of the players having an effect on the game). There were howls from the Welsh supporters that we should be ejected from the competition, if I recall correctly, but it was just a fine for our overly enthusiastic subs manager.

FTR, this was only about 30 seconds, after the result was as close as possible to confirmed (8 points up with 1 minute to play); and no stoppages at that point

[Puja]

I remember England did it back in the 2003 RWC (albeit theirs was only for 30 seconds and I don't believe any rugby was actually played, let alone either of the players having an effect on the game). There were howls from the Welsh supporters that we should be ejected from the competition, if I recall correctly, but it was just a fine for our overly enthusiastic subs manager.

FTR, this was only about 30 seconds, after the result was as close as possible to confirmed (8 points up with 1 minute to play); and no stoppages at that point

Should be fined and deducted match points for bringing on subs with 1 minute to play anyway.

Puja

[FKAS]

I remember England did it back in the 2003 RWC (albeit theirs was only for 30 seconds and I don't believe any rugby was actually played, let alone either of the players having an effect on the game). There were howls from the Welsh supporters that we should be ejected from the competition, if I recall correctly, but it was just a fine for our overly enthusiastic subs manager.

FTR, this was only about 30 seconds, after the result was as close as possible to confirmed (8 points up with 1 minute to play); and no stoppages at that point

Should be fined and deducted match points for bringing on subs with 1 minute to play anyway.

Puja

I seem to remember Ospreys getting away with just a penalty despite the extra man making a tackle that stopped a prospective break. That was back 2010ish?