Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:50 pm
Just seen the Tuilagi red. If his England career wasn’t over already that should be it 100%. Awful.
Overreaction?
I mean he’s out of favour already and now unavailable for the 6 nations. Is anyone realistically going to be brought back in just for warm ups? Surely we’re not looking at him beyond the World Cup.
Probably getting off topic here, but doesn’t seem OTT?
Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:50 pm
Just seen the Tuilagi red. If his England career wasn’t over already that should be it 100%. Awful.
Overreaction?
I mean he’s out of favour already and now unavailable for the 6 nations. Is anyone realistically going to be brought back in just for warm ups? Surely we’re not looking at him beyond the World Cup.
Probably getting off topic here, but doesn’t seem OTT?
Drop him because he’s past it, and I agree he probs is, but the elbow is irrelevant to whether he should be imo.
I mean he’s out of favour already and now unavailable for the 6 nations. Is anyone realistically going to be brought back in just for warm ups? Surely we’re not looking at him beyond the World Cup.
Probably getting off topic here, but doesn’t seem OTT?
Drop him because he’s past it, and I agree he probs is, but the elbow is irrelevant to whether he should be imo.
Sorry if that wasn’t clear I meant surely he now has no chance to play in the 6 nations.
That was fun.
Sale did well to get 2 pts out of a game where they had numerous cards to deal with. Saints did well to come back and clinch the win at the end.
Quite a few players stood out. Curry and Carpenter for Sale were very good. Ribbans and Dingwall equally effective for Saints.
Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:00 pm
Great win albeit re Sale with not many players a lot of the time.
Young Dingwall back to good form, Freeman too. Ribbans motm seemed like a nudge of sorts
Strange really. I thought Hill looked better than Ribbans and Freeman looked iffy under the high ball. Agree on Dingwall. I thought Curry was excellent. Du Preez should have been MoM.
My internet signal failed at the match end but at least George F appeared to get through unscathed (except for head claret) - didn't look likely at one stage.
Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:00 pm
Great win albeit re Sale with not many players a lot of the time.
Young Dingwall back to good form, Freeman too. Ribbans motm seemed like a nudge of sorts
Strange really. I thought Hill looked better than Ribbans and Freeman looked iffy under the high ball. Agree on Dingwall. I thought Curry was excellent. Du Preez should have been MoM.
Both of Freeman’s ‘spills’ were actually touches from o flaherty, but he was terrific with the ball made one try, scored a good one himself; I want him on the wing for England. Ribbans was more influential than Hill as the game went on, but I think both are good if fading from intl recognition.
Du Preez was very good first half, but like Sale unsurprisingly faded.
stepsider wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:18 pm
My internet signal failed at the match end but at least George F appeared to get through unscathed (except for head claret) - didn't look likely at one stage.
All I wanted was two George F’s at match end. Too much to ask of the rugby gods, alas.
Banquo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:00 pm
Great win albeit re Sale with not many players a lot of the time.
Young Dingwall back to good form, Freeman too. Ribbans motm seemed like a nudge of sorts
Strange really. I thought Hill looked better than Ribbans and Freeman looked iffy under the high ball. Agree on Dingwall. I thought Curry was excellent. Du Preez should have been MoM.
Both of Freeman’s ‘spills’ were actually touches from o flaherty, but he was terrific with the ball made one try, scored a good one himself; I want him on the wing for England. Ribbans was more influential than Hill as the game went on, but I think both are good if fading from intl recognition.
Du Preez was very good first half, but like Sale unsurprisingly faded.
Did Du Preez fade or was he removed from centre stage for Ford? Whatever? It's not a huge deal to me but I thought Du Preez's combination of physicality/skill was outstanding. In terms of doing the right thing at the right time he was spot on - more or less the opposite of Farrell!!! Having said that, some of Ford's late game management ( little repeat pop-passes etc.) was good.
Strange really. I thought Hill looked better than Ribbans and Freeman looked iffy under the high ball. Agree on Dingwall. I thought Curry was excellent. Du Preez should have been MoM.
Both of Freeman’s ‘spills’ were actually touches from o flaherty, but he was terrific with the ball made one try, scored a good one himself; I want him on the wing for England. Ribbans was more influential than Hill as the game went on, but I think both are good if fading from intl recognition.
Du Preez was very good first half, but like Sale unsurprisingly faded.
Did Du Preez fade or was he removed from centre stage for Ford? Whatever? It's not a huge deal to me but I thought Du Preez's combination of physicality/skill was outstanding. In terms of doing the right thing at the right time he was spot on - more or less the opposite of Farrell!!! Having said that, some of Ford's late game management ( little repeat pop-passes etc.) was good.
had a wee bet w myself you'd say that!
Sale inevitably ran out of juice playing for 65 mins with 14, and 20 mins with 13.
Mellsblue wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:55 pm
Carpenter is class, imo
Was about to post exactly that, England potential if the current incumbents falter
He was but that late grubber from Ford to him was brilliant and his hesitation rather than cutting back in meant he got bundled into touch and the game was over. Bar that brain fart he was good and seems consistently to be so.
What happened at the end? Did Tempest just bottle it? Two clear shoulder charges during the last try. TMO mentioned them and then nothing. Should’ve been 2 yellows and pen restart. Good job Saints closed it out. Crazy match though.
Beasties wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:02 pm
What happened at the end? Did Tempest just bottle it? Two clear shoulder charges during the last try. TMO mentioned them and then nothing. Should’ve been 2 yellows and pen restart. Good job Saints closed it out. Crazy match though.
Beasties wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:02 pm
What happened at the end? Did Tempest just bottle it? Two clear shoulder charges during the last try. TMO mentioned them and then nothing. Should’ve been 2 yellows and pen restart. Good job Saints closed it out. Crazy match though.
Penalty restart would have had to have been for something after the act of scoring. Presumably the TMO skipped over those just as he skipped over checking for a forward pass in one of the earlier tries.
Beasties wrote: ↑Sun Feb 19, 2023 11:02 pm
What happened at the end? Did Tempest just bottle it? Two clear shoulder charges during the last try. TMO mentioned them and then nothing. Should’ve been 2 yellows and pen restart. Good job Saints closed it out. Crazy match though.
Not a great weekend for the TMOs.
They were both terrible- one over interfered (seemed to check every try, and continually had running debate with the ref) and the other was asleep I think.
I'm biased because I don't like the TMO's impact in reality (inconsistent, flow of game etc etc) as opposed to the idea (which is sound)
FKAS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:50 amPenalty restart would have had to have been for something after the act of scoring.
I really do think it should be changed to include offences in the act of scoring.
A penalty offence that prevents a try being scored is a penalty try and a yellow card; a penalty offence that fails to prevent a try is generally just ignored.
Too often defending the try line is seen as carte blanche for cheating / cheap shots
FKAS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:50 amPenalty restart would have had to have been for something after the act of scoring.
I really do think it should be changed to include offences in the act of scoring.
A penalty offence that prevents a try being scored is a penalty try and a yellow card; a penalty offence that fails to prevent a try is generally just ignored.
Too often defending the try line is seen as carte blanche for cheating / cheap shots
They often are yes. Have seen refs go back on occasion and sin bin a cynical bit of play which fails to stop a try being scored. Issuing two in one go is incredibly unlikely though.
You don't often see cheap shots, tends to be tackles get a bit desperate and standards go out the window though.
FKAS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 20, 2023 7:50 amPenalty restart would have had to have been for something after the act of scoring.
I really do think it should be changed to include offences in the act of scoring.
A penalty offence that prevents a try being scored is a penalty try and a yellow card; a penalty offence that fails to prevent a try is generally just ignored.
Too often defending the try line is seen as carte blanche for cheating / cheap shots
They often are yes. Have seen refs go back on occasion and sin bin a cynical bit of play which fails to stop a try being scored. Issuing two in one go is incredibly unlikely though.
You don't often see cheap shots, tends to be tackles get a bit desperate and standards go out the window though.
I can understand a desperate last ditch tackle going awry but those two shoulder charges were deliberate and cynical. A footnote granted, but should’ve been punished adequately imo.
