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Exactly. We’ve no idea what effect it had without watching what happened once Lomani went off and we learn to read minds, and I still think it ranks below repeatedly losing ball in contact, being terrible in the 15/20 mins after halftime and Carley bottling it.FKAS wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:40 pmNo idea but comparably would have Wales chanced it quite so much if they thought Fiji had a reliable kicker who would knock three over every time they transgressed.
This is the big issue for me. This should be the advert for the game, and that match in particular had everything you would want to show people about why this is a sport to be loved, but... if you're watching without the benefit of a friend who watches a lot of rugby, you're bemused as to how so many similar looking offences can result in drastically different sanctions, especially when it obviously affects the result, and if you do have someone who does know more to ask, them shrugging their shoulder and not being able to explain, effectively having to admit refs can have an immense level of influence on the outcome, doesn't exactly have you coming back for more.SixAndAHalf wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:28 pm
Totally bizarre refereeing performance and it must be very confusing for people watching who don't follow the game closely (especially as the ITV coverage is woeful)
Concerned?? You should be transporting him to Johannesburg post-hasteLizard wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:41 am I ref my son’s u11 team, and my boy (plays scrum half, tenaciously) went over the line from the base of a ruck, with about three guys on his back. There was no way I could see grounding. The oppo claimed he lost it. I asked him, and he admitted he had dropped it. I was simultaneously very proud of his honesty and sportsmanship, but also very concerned about his suitability to play scrum half given those qualities.
Mate, you've made a hell of a leap there.SixAndAHalf wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:30 pmThese stats speak for themselves (p.s. is that a record number of tackles for any team in history?) and evidence the level of intervention needed for Wales to achieve a win.
At the best case it is bias based on a preconceived ideas and at worst it is more sinister...
That was the one I saw. It did make me wonder if Islander heads are apparently seen as less important.
I am personally finding these moments are taking me out of the game. I found I wasn't focusing and turned yesterday's match off. It's a pity because both teams were playing some good stuff. Increasing age is part of it (late kick offs don't help) but I am finding the bizarreness of so many ref decisions too distracting. Reflecting, I really don't understand the video ref any more - in some games they won't shut up. In others they appear not to be watching the game.16th man wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:03 amThis is the big issue for me. This should be the advert for the game, and that match in particular had everything you would want to show people about why this is a sport to be loved, but... if you're watching without the benefit of a friend who watches a lot of rugby, you're bemused as to how so many similar looking offences can result in drastically different sanctions, especially when it obviously affects the result, and if you do have someone who does know more to ask, them shrugging their shoulder and not being able to explain, effectively having to admit refs can have an immense level of influence on the outcome, doesn't exactly have you coming back for more.SixAndAHalf wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2023 10:28 pm
Totally bizarre refereeing performance and it must be very confusing for people watching who don't follow the game closely (especially as the ITV coverage is woeful)
You’re aware that there were four almost identical incidents like this that were missed yesterday and only this one included an Islander?Mr Mwenda wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 6:33 amThat was the one I saw. It did make me wonder if Islander heads are apparently seen as less important.
Ha, you're no doubt right. Although there were probably more than four. Just because it made me wonder doesn't mean I drew a conclusion.Mellsblue wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:24 amYou’re aware that there were four almost identical incidents like this that were missed yesterday and only this one included an Islander?
Case dismissed. This absolves the accused of blame in approx. 95% of crimes.Mr Mwenda wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:58 amHa, you're no doubt right. Although there were probably more than four. Just because it made me wonder doesn't mean I drew a conclusion.
My thought train was set in motion by the England game where the Swedish commentator accused Tuilagi of a no arms tackle seemingly without any reason. It made me think that it was a mistake based in a perceived reputation if a player. Then the incident that was pictured was followed by a very quick call for a minor seatbelt tackle against Fiji. I guess I wonder if the narratives around Pacific players lead to bias.
It would be an interesting and complicated study. I can modestly admit that it'd need more work than just me pondering after a heavy meal with too much cheese.
Fiji also wasted a lot of their own time faffing around whether to have scrums or taps, and the scrums themselves used up a load of time. Control the controllables and all that. And as you said they lost the ball a lot, and frankly Radrada should have scored anyway.
Always thought his first name was Semi.
Interesting that when no card was forthcoming for the Fijian Davies pushed off the medic jumped up like a spring chicken!bruce wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:26 am I see no outcry with the Fiji 9 who was pulling Gareth Davies about when play was stopped following contact to the head. As it happens there was minimal contact but enough for HIA which he passed. Fiji wasn't to know that though, could have been very dangerous.
Reffing was poor across the board with Wales getting more of the rub of the green. It happens.
Regardless of whether he was faking or not, it's not something that we want to encourage. It'll end up with players hauling about someone who is genuinely hurt and causing a massive problem.oldbackrow wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:17 pmInteresting that when no card was forthcoming for the Fijian Davies pushed off the medic jumped up like a spring chicken!bruce wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 8:26 am I see no outcry with the Fiji 9 who was pulling Gareth Davies about when play was stopped following contact to the head. As it happens there was minimal contact but enough for HIA which he passed. Fiji wasn't to know that though, could have been very dangerous.
Reffing was poor across the board with Wales getting more of the rub of the green. It happens.
Hasn’t helped us with Farrell …Mellsblue wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2023 11:00 am Interesting point from Hartley:
https://x.com/dylanhartley/status/17009 ... MV3j-SK8yQ
Compare and contrast with Carley asking Morgan to tell Biggar et al to shut up. Perhaps being a gobby idiot does help your team, which is completely the wrong message to send.
Would be ideal, but players are not doctors and it'll only take one, "Get up, you're not fooling anyone," to someone with an actual spinal injury for there to be problems.
I feel like this is targeting the bloke who throws the retaliatory punch rather than the knob who had the sly little dig in the first place.
Oh quote agree. Have a sizeable bend in my forearm as the idiot who had stamped on it didn't believe it was broken!
Davies milking it was embarrassing, but irrelevant. That's a 75% YC and a 100% YC in the space of 5 seconds, neither of which was awarded by the referee who was so biased in Wales' favour that he only penalized them 17 times.