England vs Japan - Sunday

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16th man wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:43 pm
Galfon wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:41 pm BP territory now .. ;)
I don't think we could accept it in good conscience.
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I swear he just told Vunipola to use it 5 times in a row.
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Japan are about to lose a player to a red card.

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I know we only see what is in shot but what is Vunipola doing if we can't see him?
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Massive snap back to the mean there as we go for a bunch of thoughtless one out plays with their entire defence spread over about 10 metres.
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Puja wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:45 pm Japan are about to lose a player to a red card.

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Not even looked at. What is the TMO doing?

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Puja wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:48 pm
Puja wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:45 pm Japan are about to lose a player to a red card.

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Not even looked at. What is the TMO doing?

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TMO is Joy Neville.
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Puja wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:48 pm
Puja wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:45 pm Japan are about to lose a player to a red card.

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Not even looked at. What is the TMO doing?

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What happened?
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Puja wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:48 pm
Puja wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:45 pm Japan are about to lose a player to a red card.

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Not even looked at. What is the TMO doing?

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Must admit I missed it, what are you referring to?
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Oakboy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:47 pm I know we only see what is in shot but what is Vunipola doing if we can't see him?
Tbf, he did side step a player but Martin then pushed him over.
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Christ but you lot have got lucky. Until numpty number one caught fresh air instead of the ball and numpty number two face butted the ball over the Japanese defence you were in all sorts of trouble.
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Mr Mwenda wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:49 pm
Puja wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:48 pm
Puja wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:45 pm Japan are about to lose a player to a red card.

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Not even looked at. What is the TMO doing?

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What happened?
Just before we got to the line and screwed up all the pick-and-drives, when we recycled after the Earl and May runs. Japanese player made an upright tackle with head-on-head contact and the Japanese player left reeling. At minimum, it needs to be an HIA, but it looked very much like a red card.

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Theo Dan just always wants to take the ball at pace and run with intent. I'm certain that we'll beat it out of him eventually, but he's good to watch so far.

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It's worrying how much more composed we look with Youngs at 9. Some nice phases at the end there but man that was turgid. Job done but didn't we just bodge it.
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Better towards the end. So weird much of the tactics.
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Puja wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:55 pm Theo Dan just always wants to take the ball at pace and run with intent. I'm certain that we'll beat it out of him eventually, but he's good to watch so far.

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FKAS wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:57 pm It's worrying how much more composed we look with Youngs at 9. Some nice phases at the end there but man that was turgid. Job done but didn't we just bodge it.
We've been here for years though. Starting scrum half looks bad, sub comes on and improves things, gets picked to start, looks terrible, guy he replaced comes on and looks better.

Just seems to be down to instructions. We cut out most of the aimless kicking in the last 10 when we started moving it with some pace and purpose.
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An improved 2nd half (how could it not be?).

Earl was our best player.

We looked a lot better when Smith and Lawrence came on. Dan added some much needed zip.
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We showed a bit of invention late on and got a 4 try bonus point. Too many errors to be a real threat to anyone but in this case a (world cup group stage) win is a win and it was comfortable in the end.

Smith at 15 looks fun going forwards but defensively I'm not seeing it. Thought Earl look pretty good. When Billy V came on I'm not sure what he did or whether I heard his name on commentary.
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16th man wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:00 pm
FKAS wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:57 pm It's worrying how much more composed we look with Youngs at 9. Some nice phases at the end there but man that was turgid. Job done but didn't we just bodge it.
We've been here for years though. Starting scrum half looks bad, sub comes on and improves things, gets picked to start, looks terrible, guy he replaced comes on and looks better.

Just seems to be down to instructions. We cut out most of the aimless kicking in the last 10 when we started moving it with some pace and purpose.
Agree completely with the first part. Second part, I think there's a certain tactical element but I think it's being over used by players lacking confidence. Daly kicked towards the corner off attacking ball he could have run with at least three times. Ok the kicks weren't bad but it was certainly on for him to have a crack. He just looked like he didn't back himself. Similar with Lawes making the break, Daly calling the switch probably makes more ground instead he flounders on the outside and gets tackled into touch. I wonder if some of the players are taking the criticism from the media to much to heart.
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SCW may be on to something. If we have an endless supply of attacking ball 5 metres out all we have to do is kick it to Steward and we can win the World Cup. I hope the coaches are listening.
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Mikey Brown wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:08 pm SCW may be on to something. If we have an endless supply of attacking ball 5 metres out all we have to do is kick it to Steward and we can win the World Cup. I hope the coaches are listening.
Indeed. I feel completely upbeat after listening to him.
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fivepointer wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:01 pm An improved 2nd half (how could it not be?).

Earl was our best player.

We looked a lot better when Smith and Lawrence came on. Dan added some much needed zip.
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only highlight was slow browbeater winding jngf up by putting an 8 on Ludlam and having pack down at openside, then subbing him for Billy on 50 ;)

That was a bit sh*t.
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FKAS wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:04 pm
16th man wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:00 pm
FKAS wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:57 pm It's worrying how much more composed we look with Youngs at 9. Some nice phases at the end there but man that was turgid. Job done but didn't we just bodge it.
We've been here for years though. Starting scrum half looks bad, sub comes on and improves things, gets picked to start, looks terrible, guy he replaced comes on and looks better.

Just seems to be down to instructions. We cut out most of the aimless kicking in the last 10 when we started moving it with some pace and purpose.
Agree completely with the first part. Second part, I think there's a certain tactical element but I think it's being over used by players lacking confidence. Daly kicked towards the corner off attacking ball he could have run with at least three times. Ok the kicks weren't bad but it was certainly on for him to have a crack. He just looked like he didn't back himself. Similar with Lawes making the break, Daly calling the switch probably makes more ground instead he flounders on the outside and gets tackled into touch. I wonder if some of the players are taking the criticism from the media to much to heart.
same kicking madness as 6n
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