The return of Stan

[UKHamlet]

Rob Howley has made a sensational return to Welsh rugby as part of Warren Gatland's coaching team for the Six Nations.

The former Wales scrum-half will replace Jonathan Thomas as an assistant coach in Gatland's back-room team but will also take charge of the men's pathway by working closely with the U20s set-up. Howley will take the immediate opportunity to hit the ground running in his new pathway centred role, and will be present at an U20s camp in Scotland next week, along with training matches in the new year ahead of the Six Nations competition.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/rug ... 8c3f26dd74

[Numbers]

I'm not sure this should be allowed tbh, I think the trust has gone with the majority of the public.

[Puja]

I'm not sure this should be allowed tbh, I think the trust has gone with the majority of the public.

I don't see why not. There wasn't any suggestion that he'd thrown matches or anything, was there? Just that he'd had a problem with gambling and that he'd bet on a lot of stuff that he shouldn't have. He's served his time and I don't see why he couldn't be given a second chance.

The fact that he's spent his time away involved with Toronto and Canada, who of whom have been utter rubbish throughout his input, should be more of a concern.

Puja

[Numbers]

I'm not sure this should be allowed tbh, I think the trust has gone with the majority of the public.

I don't see why not. There wasn't any suggestion that he'd thrown matches or anything, was there? Just that he'd had a problem with gambling and that he'd bet on a lot of stuff that he shouldn't have. He's served his time and I don't see why he couldn't be given a second chance.

The fact that he's spent his time away involved with Toronto and Canada, who of whom have been utter rubbish throughout his input, should be more of a concern.

Puja

I believe he bet on Wales matches.

[Puja]

I'm not sure this should be allowed tbh, I think the trust has gone with the majority of the public.

I don't see why not. There wasn't any suggestion that he'd thrown matches or anything, was there? Just that he'd had a problem with gambling and that he'd bet on a lot of stuff that he shouldn't have. He's served his time and I don't see why he couldn't be given a second chance.

The fact that he's spent his time away involved with Toronto and Canada, who of whom have been utter rubbish throughout his input, should be more of a concern.

Puja

I believe he bet on Wales matches.

But not to lose or anything that he would affect negatively - he was betting on them to win, no? To me, that feels very different (while still not being okay, etc, etc).

Puja

[Sandydragon]

Ho hum. I think I can forgive and forget the betting issue. Stan had a problem that was rooted in family tragedy and as Puja has mentioned, it wasn't on Wales to lose, so there's no accusation that he cheated.

But Im not sure that he is the right coach to bring into the Welsh camp. Gatland obviously rates him very highly thought.

[Numbers]

I don't see why not. There wasn't any suggestion that he'd thrown matches or anything, was there? Just that he'd had a problem with gambling and that he'd bet on a lot of stuff that he shouldn't have. He's served his time and I don't see why he couldn't be given a second chance.

The fact that he's spent his time away involved with Toronto and Canada, who of whom have been utter rubbish throughout his input, should be more of a concern.

Puja

I believe he bet on Wales matches.

But not to lose or anything that he would affect negatively - he was betting on them to win, no? To me, that feels very different (while still not being okay, etc, etc).

Puja

They have not made the details of the bets public to my knowledge other than they said he wasn't betting against Wales, there are lots of different bets that you can have like first try scrorer which he could have influenced for instance, the bottom line is he lost his integrity then and for me that should be that.

The family tragedy being behind his betting addiction is just an excuse spun to raise sympathy/empathy, bullshit.

[Son of Mathonwy]

I've never understood what he brings that's so important to Gats. And with the betting thing showing he can't really be trusted . . . I wouldn't bring him back. But it's not my call, Gatland obviously sees something in him, hope he's good for the team, particularly the hugely important pathway role.

[Son of Mathonwy]

I believe he bet on Wales matches.

But not to lose or anything that he would affect negatively - he was betting on them to win, no? To me, that feels very different (while still not being okay, etc, etc).

Puja

They have not made the details of the bets public to my knowledge other than they said he wasn't betting against Wales, there are lots of different bets that you can have like first try scorer which he could have influenced for instance, the bottom line is he lost his integrity then and for me that should be that.

The family tragedy being behind his betting addiction is just an excuse spun to raise sympathy/empathy, bullshit.

Even if he was only betting on Wales to win, it's still completely unethical. He had inside information, he knew more than any outsider how good our chances of winning were on a particular day - maybe he only bet on good day? It's like insider dealing, buying your own company's shares when you know there's something good in the pipeline.