Wales v Scotland

[Son of Mathonwy]

Pen try ?? if this was awarded when Botha, scored it would have been 7 points and a win..... not sure wat the law is on this?

This is a stupid, inconsistency in the Laws. If there's a penalty on the way and the ball is touched down it's 5 points and if you're lucky 7 (and usually not a card). If there's a penalty on the way and the ball isn't touched down, it's a guaranteed 7 and a yellow. This is stupid - we shouldn't be rewarded more for failing to touch down.

[Son of Mathonwy]

My brain was too frazzled after the match to remember to do this, but here are the player stats. Shame we don't have stats for each half!

WALES Tackles, Missed Tackles, Passes, Runs, Metres Run
C WinnettFB 4 0 6 15 122
J AdamsW 0 0 5 14 45
O WatkinC 3 1 1 4 8
N TompkinsC 10 1 21 10 9
R DyerW 8 1 4 7 70
S CostelowFH 10 3 8 2 2
G DaviesSH 3 2 38 2 14
C DomachowskiP 12 0 3 10 4
R EliasH 10 1 3 2 3
L BrownP 7 1 1 2 0
D JenkinsL 17 0 3 3 2
A BeardL 8 0 4 8 4
J BothamFL 6 0 1 6 0
T ReffellFL 11 0 3 9 20
A WainwrightN8 12 0 11 11 65
E DeeR 6 0 5 8 9
K MathiasR 0 0 0 0 0
K AssirattiR 6 0 0 4 0
T WilliamsR 4 0 0 3 1
A MannR 9 0 1 8 21
T WilliamsR 3 1 57 6 19
I LloydR 2 1 17 5 26
M GradyR 5 1 2 1 0

Heroic defence from Jenkins (17 tackles made, 0 missed), but plenty of great contributions - Domachowski and Wainwright (12,0), Reffell (11,0), Mann in 35 minutes (9,0), Elias in 40 minutes (10,1), Tompkins (10,1). Not sure where Adams was (0,0).

Winnett, Wainwright and Dyer made plenty of metres (122, 65, 70). And Tompkins was quite the link man with 21 passes.

From the overall game stats you'd think we'd have won - better possession, territory, much lower penalty count (4 vs 16), metres run, better scrum and lineout win % (but crucially, we had a lot more lineouts, so we lost 6/20, they only lost 2/6)

https://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/matchstats ... gue=180659

[Numbers]

My brain was too frazzled after the match to remember to do this, but here are the player stats. Shame we don't have stats for each half!

WALES Tackles, Missed Tackles, Passes, Runs, Metres Run
C WinnettFB 4 0 6 15 122
J AdamsW 0 0 5 14 45
O WatkinC 3 1 1 4 8
N TompkinsC 10 1 21 10 9
R DyerW 8 1 4 7 70
S CostelowFH 10 3 8 2 2
G DaviesSH 3 2 38 2 14
C DomachowskiP 12 0 3 10 4
R EliasH 10 1 3 2 3
L BrownP 7 1 1 2 0
D JenkinsL 17 0 3 3 2
A BeardL 8 0 4 8 4
J BothamFL 6 0 1 6 0
T ReffellFL 11 0 3 9 20
A WainwrightN8 12 0 11 11 65
E DeeR 6 0 5 8 9
K MathiasR 0 0 0 0 0
K AssirattiR 6 0 0 4 0
T WilliamsR 4 0 0 3 1
A MannR 9 0 1 8 21
T WilliamsR 3 1 57 6 19
I LloydR 2 1 17 5 26
M GradyR 5 1 2 1 0

Heroic defence from Jenkins (17 tackles made, 0 missed), but plenty of great contributions - Domachowski and Wainwright (12,0), Reffell (11,0), Mann in 35 minutes (9,0), Elias in 40 minutes (10,1), Tompkins (10,1). Not sure where Adams was (0,0).

Winnett, Wainwright and Dyer made plenty of metres (122, 65, 70). And Tompkins was quite the link man with 21 passes.

From the overall game stats you'd think we'd have won - better possession, territory, much lower penalty count (4 vs 16), metres run, better scrum and lineout win % (but crucially, we had a lot more lineouts, so we lost 6/20, they only lost 2/6)

https://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/matchstats ... gue=180659

The concerning thing is that we failed to win when the opposition conceded 16 penalties, generally a team will lose if they concede more than 10, I can't see England shipping that many, tho the Ref is a Kiwi so they may find it hard to adapt to his interpretation of the laws, something they have failed to do in the past.

An interesting stat is that we won 70% of lineouts and Scotland only 66%, I suppose it was more noticeable due to the position of some of the lineouts and the number of lineouts we had, I'm not sure about the turnover stats as Reffell got more than 4 on his own and it says Scotland only conceded 4, the breakdown stats are very good for us.

[Son of Mathonwy]

My brain was too frazzled after the match to remember to do this, but here are the player stats. Shame we don't have stats for each half!

WALES Tackles, Missed Tackles, Passes, Runs, Metres Run
C WinnettFB 4 0 6 15 122
J AdamsW 0 0 5 14 45
O WatkinC 3 1 1 4 8
N TompkinsC 10 1 21 10 9
R DyerW 8 1 4 7 70
S CostelowFH 10 3 8 2 2
G DaviesSH 3 2 38 2 14
C DomachowskiP 12 0 3 10 4
R EliasH 10 1 3 2 3
L BrownP 7 1 1 2 0
D JenkinsL 17 0 3 3 2
A BeardL 8 0 4 8 4
J BothamFL 6 0 1 6 0
T ReffellFL 11 0 3 9 20
A WainwrightN8 12 0 11 11 65
E DeeR 6 0 5 8 9
K MathiasR 0 0 0 0 0
K AssirattiR 6 0 0 4 0
T WilliamsR 4 0 0 3 1
A MannR 9 0 1 8 21
T WilliamsR 3 1 57 6 19
I LloydR 2 1 17 5 26
M GradyR 5 1 2 1 0

Heroic defence from Jenkins (17 tackles made, 0 missed), but plenty of great contributions - Domachowski and Wainwright (12,0), Reffell (11,0), Mann in 35 minutes (9,0), Elias in 40 minutes (10,1), Tompkins (10,1). Not sure where Adams was (0,0).

Winnett, Wainwright and Dyer made plenty of metres (122, 65, 70). And Tompkins was quite the link man with 21 passes.

From the overall game stats you'd think we'd have won - better possession, territory, much lower penalty count (4 vs 16), metres run, better scrum and lineout win % (but crucially, we had a lot more lineouts, so we lost 6/20, they only lost 2/6)

https://www.espn.co.uk/rugby/matchstats ... gue=180659

The concerning thing is that we failed to win when the opposition conceded 16 penalties, generally a team will lose if they concede more than 10, I can't see England shipping that many, tho the Ref is a Kiwi so they may find it hard to adapt to his interpretation of the laws, something they have failed to do in the past.

An interesting stat is that we won 70% of lineouts and Scotland only 66%, I suppose it was more noticeable due to the position of some of the lineouts and the number of lineouts we had, I'm not sure about the turnover stats as Reffell got more than 4 on his own and it says Scotland only conceded 4, the breakdown stats are very good for us.

True, but it was a big part of why we scored a point a minute for 26 minutes in the second half (that and the related yellows). It was a strange match and a first half even slightly less dire would have won it for us.

[Sandydragon]

The stats are interesting but they dont always tell the full story. We entered their 22 plenty of times in the first half, then screwed up. A knock on or a lost line out. Those mistakes utterly punished us and lost good territory and/or momentum.

On paper we should have won that easily but there's no hiding how bad that first half was.

[Son of Mathonwy]

The stats are interesting but they dont always tell the full story. We entered their 22 plenty of times in the first half, then screwed up. A knock on or a lost line out. Those mistakes utterly punished us and lost good territory and/or momentum.

On paper we should have won that easily but there's no hiding how bad that first half was.

Exactly. The first have wasn't a disaster in all aspects of play. We just couldn't get any points from all the chances in the 22 we had, mostly due to line out fails. But when the scoreboard is only going one way it seems like everything is awful.

Even the discipline was good overall, 4 penalties in 40 minutes is fine (but they were mostly in the first 10 if I recall correctly).

[Sandydragon]

The stats are interesting but they dont always tell the full story. We entered their 22 plenty of times in the first half, then screwed up. A knock on or a lost line out. Those mistakes utterly punished us and lost good territory and/or momentum.

On paper we should have won that easily but there's no hiding how bad that first half was.

Exactly. The first have wasn't a disaster in all aspects of play. We just couldn't get any points from all the chances in the 22 we had, mostly due to line out fails. But when the scoreboard is only going one way it seems like everything is awful.

Even the discipline was good overall, 4 penalties in 40 minutes is fine (but they were mostly in the first 10 if I recall correctly).

They were. We leaked 2 tries which is hardly disastrous, but our defence was allowing Scotland too much time and space. And we couldn’t fire any shots in return. If we had converted some of that pressure into points then the gap at halftime could have been manageable.

But, we didn’t and we were our own worst enemies. I seem to recall that we even managed to screw up line outs when the Scots didn’t even bother to challenge. That’s just awful.