2024 Six Nations

[BaldiePete]

The ball was grounded. How that wasn’t given is beyond me.

[morepork]

Should never have come to that. We were too negative.

Exactly this. Farking hard call at the end but...

[paddy no 11]

Should never have come to that. We were too negative.

For sure but ye should have won despite being shit, the ball was grounded but somehow the tmo decides this isn't enough to overturn refs decision

[Which Tyler]

IMO, the ball was grounded.
IMO, those phases were started by Finn Russell playing scrum half on the French side of a ruck.

IMO, let's not forget the DVDM high tackle, and the DVDM offside intercept - both of which stopped a try.

IMO these things even themselves out, though rarely quite so quickly

[paddy no 11]

IMO, the ball was grounded.
IMO, those phases were started by Finn Russell playing scrum half on the French side of a ruck.

IMO, let's not forget the DVDM high tackle, and the DVDM offside intercept - both of which stopped a try.

IMO these things even themselves out, though rarely quite so quickly

If those duhan decisions were given Scotland could have reacted to them. Hardly possible to deal with a clear try not been given on 80 mins

The Russell one is marginal like legarrecs pass to lbb. There's no getting away from the fact they were robbed

[Jocky]

I'm angry because France were there for the taking, but we were too inaccurate and disjointed in our back play. It's so frustrating.

[Mikey Brown]

It should have been well out of the referee’s hands, but my god did he make some wonky calls. I’m still baffled how Penaud didn’t knock it on before BB’s try.

My soul hurts. I can’t believe we did that again. And this was our year as well. Rude.

[Mikey Brown]

Also Harry Paterson should be getting some serious plaudits.

Rowe too has played above what I thought he’d offer. I thought I was going to be sick when he made that run at the end. Gutted for him that he didn’t keep hold of it.

[sharvey44]

Also Harry Paterson should be getting some serious plaudits.

Rowe too has played above what I thought he’d offer. I thought I was going to be sick when he made that run at the end. Gutted for him that he didn’t keep hold of it.

Definitely agree with this. Paterson did very well today. Rowe has done very well too. And the bench props have held up well.

We can argue various ref decisions until we are blue in the face but at the end of the day that spell where we played negatively was a key point we should have made more of it. We didn’t make more of the yellow card period and a couple of wonky line outs didn’t help either. The scrum before half time we should’ve got the ball away quicker.

[BaldiePete]

Can I refer you to the first post in this thread.

[paddy no 11]

Can I refer you to the first post in this thread.

Prescient

It was the mick tmo who done for ye

[Mikey Brown]

Also Harry Paterson should be getting some serious plaudits.

Rowe too has played above what I thought he’d offer. I thought I was going to be sick when he made that run at the end. Gutted for him that he didn’t keep hold of it.

Definitely agree with this. Paterson did very well today. Rowe has done very well too. And the bench props have held up well.

We can argue various ref decisions until we are blue in the face but at the end of the day that spell where we played negatively was a key point we should have made more of it. We didn’t make more of the yellow card period and a couple of wonky line outs didn’t help either. The scrum before half time we should’ve got the ball away quicker.

It’s a tough one. We’re so often guilty of over-playing, knackering our players out achieving little/nothing, and it was pissing with rain, but felt like France were dropping 4 men back so often and we didn’t mix it up enough and run it back.

But yeah, closed up a bit and I think a few mistakes in key moments (Tuipulotu had a couple of rough ones) just seemed to kill our confidence after the way the first half ended.

[BaldiePete]

On the plus side, we suddenly have depth at full back, with Kinghorn now being backed up by Patterson and Rowe as well as Smith when he’s fit.

Also, first game our discipline was very poor and we improved dramatically this week. This time there was far too much kick tennis waiting for them to make a mistake. Next time out can we just be more positive when we have the ball?

[Jocky]

Agree on Patterson. Didn't look out of place at all. Rowe has been a great addition too.

[Big D]

IMO, the ball was grounded.
IMO, those phases were started by Finn Russell playing scrum half on the French side of a ruck.

IMO, let's not forget the DVDM high tackle, and the DVDM offside intercept - both of which stopped a try.

IMO these things even themselves out, though rarely quite so quickly

Would need to check but Finn did look offside in real time.

Tackles on the shoulder that aren't seat belt tackles will be argued as the law is "above the line of the shoulders".

He wasn't offside as there was no offside line created as there was no ruck IIRC

[paddy no 11]

IMO, the ball was grounded.
IMO, those phases were started by Finn Russell playing scrum half on the French side of a ruck.

IMO, let's not forget the DVDM high tackle, and the DVDM offside intercept - both of which stopped a try.

IMO these things even themselves out, though rarely quite so quickly

Would need to check but Finn did look offside in real time.

Tackles on the shoulder that aren't seat belt tackles will be argued as the law is "above the line of the shoulders".

He wasn't offside as there was no offside line created as there was no ruck IIRC

Having rewatched lbb's try legarrecs pass is forward. He doesn't rotate his body to pass and his hands go forward imho

[Jocky]

Paddy, please stop looking for more reasons why we should have won.

[stevedog1980]

Berry should have given it and referred to check, he had a fantastic view so I have no idea why he wouldn’t back his decision. After that, why can’t he just reverse the on field decision? He was biting the TMO’s hand off to give it.

I’m happy to be corrected but surely Ramos had to be penalised for the ruck before their try? Just going from memory but it likes like he wipes Jones out well beyond the offside line.

We really didn’t try to play, really frustrating game to watch

[Cameo]

Absolutely gutted.

With a competent ref at the end, we would be discussing a win and feeling like we were nit picking about other things we could have done better. I have loads of sympathy for refs as the game is so quick and complex, but I don't see how a TMO can see what we all saw and say there is no clear evidence that the ball was grounded. It's not like the screenshots we have all seen came later, they just show exactly what we were all looking at at the time.

As for the game:

- Thought Darge made a difference and Finn was great as usual. His kicking from hand really is great.

- I thought it was probably the right call not to go for 3 before half time. Try there makes a huge difference whereas 3 points may not. If I remember right, if we had gone for the three initially, we wouldnt even have got the yellow card. Risky once the clock goes red though as one mistake and it's half time. Got to execute better either way.

- Can't decide on the slightly negative second half tactics. We were comfortable but it wasn't like we were all over them so I can see a logic to letting the game drift, albeit it is dull. Their try was their only real threat. If it hadnt happened, could have just felt like quite a clinical performance keeping them at arms' length.

[paddy no 11]

The transcript of tmo conversation is on twittersphere

They agree its a try and then .....lose sight of the angle.

Clusterfuck

[stevedog1980]

Absolutely gutted.

With a competent ref at the end, we would be discussing a win and feeling like we were nit picking about other things we could have done better. I have loads of sympathy for refs as the game is so quick and complex, but I don't see how a TMO can see what we all saw and say there is no clear evidence that the ball was grounded. It's not like the screenshots we have all seen came later, they just show exactly what we were all looking at at the time.

As for the game:

- Thought Darge made a difference and Finn was great as usual. His kicking from hand really is great.

- I thought it was probably the right call not to go for 3 before half time. Try there makes a huge difference whereas 3 points may not. If I remember right, if we had gone for the three initially, we wouldnt even have got the yellow card. Risky once the clock goes red though as one mistake and it's half time. Got to execute better either way.

- Can't decide on the slightly negative second half tactics. We were comfortable but it wasn't like we were all over them so I can see a logic to letting the game drift, albeit it is dull. Their try was their only real threat. If it hadnt happened, could have just felt like quite a clinical performance keeping them at arms' length.

I wouldn’t have taken the 3 either, but with 90 seconds to half time I think the quick tap and try to ratchet the pressure for a second yellow before half time

[BaldiePete]

The transcript of tmo conversation is on twittersphere

They agree its a try and then .....lose sight of the angle.

Clusterfuck

“Lose sight of the angle” - what the fuck does that even mean, it’s not a geometry test.

[Mikey Brown]

Absolutely gutted.

With a competent ref at the end, we would be discussing a win and feeling like we were nit picking about other things we could have done better. I have loads of sympathy for refs as the game is so quick and complex, but I don't see how a TMO can see what we all saw and say there is no clear evidence that the ball was grounded. It's not like the screenshots we have all seen came later, they just show exactly what we were all looking at at the time.

As for the game:

- Thought Darge made a difference and Finn was great as usual. His kicking from hand really is great.

- I thought it was probably the right call not to go for 3 before half time. Try there makes a huge difference whereas 3 points may not. If I remember right, if we had gone for the three initially, we wouldnt even have got the yellow card. Risky once the clock goes red though as one mistake and it's half time. Got to execute better either way.

- Can't decide on the slightly negative second half tactics. We were comfortable but it wasn't like we were all over them so I can see a logic to letting the game drift, albeit it is dull. Their try was their only real threat. If it hadnt happened, could have just felt like quite a clinical performance keeping them at arms' length.

I wouldn’t have taken the 3 either, but with 90 seconds to half time I think the quick tap and try to ratchet the pressure for a second yellow before half time

It’s a tough one with a prop off. Take a scrum and force them to sub a back, but then surely try and capitalise out wide once they do, rather than putting everything on the line in the scrum. It felt like a big psychological blow.

And we were making quite good headway with Dempsey, Turner, Fagerson smashing it up.

[Cameo]

Absolutely gutted.

With a competent ref at the end, we would be discussing a win and feeling like we were nit picking about other things we could have done better. I have loads of sympathy for refs as the game is so quick and complex, but I don't see how a TMO can see what we all saw and say there is no clear evidence that the ball was grounded. It's not like the screenshots we have all seen came later, they just show exactly what we were all looking at at the time.

As for the game:

- Thought Darge made a difference and Finn was great as usual. His kicking from hand really is great.

- I thought it was probably the right call not to go for 3 before half time. Try there makes a huge difference whereas 3 points may not. If I remember right, if we had gone for the three initially, we wouldnt even have got the yellow card. Risky once the clock goes red though as one mistake and it's half time. Got to execute better either way.

- Can't decide on the slightly negative second half tactics. We were comfortable but it wasn't like we were all over them so I can see a logic to letting the game drift, albeit it is dull. Their try was their only real threat. If it hadnt happened, could have just felt like quite a clinical performance keeping them at arms' length.

I wouldn’t have taken the 3 either, but with 90 seconds to half time I think the quick tap and try to ratchet the pressure for a second yellow before half time

Can see that. Opting for a scrum always makes me nervous.

I'm still completely baffled by the decision at the end. It was a hard call - until the angle that showed the ball clearly on the ground. At that point, I thought the only risk was that they would talk themselves into saying it might have been short of the line or was a double movement, but to say it wasn't grounded just defies belief. Less important, but I think that is a much worse call than the Joubert World Cup one. There, things moved quickly and there were a few things to think about, here you just needed to look.

Win that game and this tournament is very exciting for us.

[stevedog1980]

We had them on the ropes at that point, we’d taken a scrum and it had yielded a penalty. With such little time left before half time, it seemed obvious to pile on the pressure. Very few props see yellow cards for scrum infringements and keeping going with scrums wasn’t going to change anything. The only choices for me there were 3 points or quick tap