gaza conflict

[Son of Mathonwy]

Full scale war crimes recommence. There is no pretext.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/israel-hamas-war

The UK says nothing, other than correcting foreign secretary David Lammy for his unusually truthful outburst on the matter of Israel's siege. He had said Israel had breached humanitarian law; Starmer thought it important to correct him and say that Israel was only 'at risk' of breaching humanitarian law. Well done Starmer, that's certainly the point we want you to raise publicly. We certainly wouldn't want you speaking out against the clear war crimes, crimes against humanity, probable genocide, and over half a century of illegal occupation. Lets wait till they've killed every Gazan first shall we, then you can wring your hands a bit. You evil cunt.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... l-law-gaza

[paddy no 11]

One of those far right scumbags is back in government so this is their list of demands, back to war and cleansing

A pity lammy rowed back on his comments, thought someone might have had a bit of spine

[Son of Mathonwy]

One of those far right scumbags is back in government so this is their list of demands, back to war and cleansing

A pity lammy rowed back on his comments, thought someone might have had a bit of spine

We'll never know what Lammy was thinking. Slip of the tongue? Or did he actually think that this is so clear, so undisputable, that we have to call this spade a spade. He reckoned without Starmer's utter lack of conscience.

There must be a playbook in No.10:
Never accuse Israel of war crimes.
Never call for Israel to leave the occupied territories.
Always assist Israel, no matter what (but don't talk about it).
Dead Israelis are people, dead Palestinians are statistics.
Russian invasion, occupation, annexation, killing bad.
Israeli invasion, occupation, annexation, killing okay (but let's not talk about it).
Hamas killing obscene and monstrous (and let's always talk about it).

[paddy no 11]

Linsey hilstrom was pretty adamant on c4 news last night that the gaza strip will quickly become unliveable and that people are going to leave soon

Pretty remarkable testimony from 2 american doctors on the show last night about performing surgery with construction equipment and without antibiotics or disinfectant...... how does this shit not go viral?

[paddy no 11]

https://www.channel4.com/news/were-back ... tal-strike

[Son of Mathonwy]

Linsey hilstrom was pretty adamant on c4 news last night that the gaza strip will quickly become unliveable and that people are going to leave soon

Pretty remarkable testimony from 2 american doctors on the show last night about performing surgery with construction equipment and without antibiotics or disinfectant...... how does this shit not go viral?

This is genocide. No aid, no electricity, no medical supplies, lots of bombs. The only question is whether hundreds of thousands will die or millions.

The UK should get on the right side of history. Wes Streeting says it's intolerable but we continue to provide arms, intelligence, logistical and political support. We continue to trade with this monstrous regime. We do not recognise the state of Palestine.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Linsey hilstrom was pretty adamant on c4 news last night that the gaza strip will quickly become unliveable and that people are going to leave soon

True, her language was noticeably stronger than usual.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Deliberate killing of medical and rescue workers:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... ne-says-un

We should not be supporting this despicable state.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Great. The police will be given even more powers to stop protests. They already banned a Gaza march in London which didn't go past a synagogue; what will the police do with even more power? They could stop any urban march (because places of worship are everywhere, and anyone can claim to be intimidated). Yes, mosques were attacked in last summer's riots but, believe it or not, that's already against the law.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/plac ... g-protests

[Son of Mathonwy]

This is good - British nationals accused of war crimes in Gaza:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/ap ... el-in-gaza

[Puja]

This is good - British nationals accused of war crimes in Gaza:

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/ap ... el-in-gaza

Good. Hopefully the KC in charge has some good solid evidence (not like the Israeli militry are being particularly subtle about things) and these fuckers can be sent down. It's a drop against the overall ocean of war crimes, but hopefully a criminal conviction will bring more pressure to bear on the government to obey their own damned rules about weapons exports.

Puja

[Son of Mathonwy]

12% of the board of Deputies of British Jews wrote a letter critical of Israel's current actions in Gaza:

https://www.thejc.com/news/uk/members-o ... r-u30pro4d

Shame about the 88% who, on balance, would prefer the genocide to continue.

[Which Tyler]

[paddy no 11]

God bless you massive attack

[Son of Mathonwy]

God bless you massive attack

Damn right:

Massive Attack have released a statement supporting Belfast rap trio KNEECAP amid controversy about their outspoken stance on Palestine.

"KNEECAP are not the story. Gaza is the story. Genocide is the story," wrote the band on social media. "And the silence, acquiescence and support of those crimes against humanity by the elected British government is the real story."

"Solidarity with all artists with the moral courage to speak out against Israeli war crimes, and the ongoing persecution and slaughter of the Palestinian people," they added

The establishment just wants to crucify a band for saying fuck Israel.

[Son of Mathonwy]

The whole documentary is worth watching. There's only so much Theroux I can take, and having to see the settlers up close wasn't too attractive a proposition but it's a decent show.

[Puja]

The whole documentary is worth watching. There's only so much Theroux I can take, and having to see the settlers up close wasn't too attractive a proposition but it's a decent show.

I don't actually understand how Louis Theroux can possibly work. This is both in the sense of him somehow consistently being able to remain stoic and unflapped in the face of some truly evil and deranged people across his documentaries (not only that, but maintain a resting "Uh-huh, I'm listening, go on" face), and also in the sense that I don't know how his subjects haven't cottoned on.

Do they lack google? Are they so cocky that they don't feel the need to even give a cursory bit of research to someone wanting to interview them? Or do they know who he is, but are filled with such a sense of moral rectitude that they are in the right that they can't conceive that they might actually be the bad guys and that, if they just explain their position, they'll be the heroes of the documentary?

No-one seems to get that him letting then proselytise is actually just giving them enough rope to hang themselves with.

Although, having praised his unflappability in the first paragraph, I understand he does lose his calm and call that woman sociopathic towards the end of the documentary, but I don't mind that as remaining completely stoic in the face of such enormity is not a virtue.

Puja

[paddy no 11]

The whole documentary is worth watching. There's only so much Theroux I can take, and having to see the settlers up close wasn't too attractive a proposition but it's a decent show.

I don't actually understand how Louis Theroux can possibly work. This is both in the sense of him somehow consistently being able to remain stoic and unflapped in the face of some truly evil and deranged people across his documentaries (not only that, but maintain a resting "Uh-huh, I'm listening, go on" face), and also in the sense that I don't know how his subjects haven't cottoned on.

Do they lack google? Are they so cocky that they don't feel the need to even give a cursory bit of research to someone wanting to interview them? Or do they know who he is, but are filled with such a sense of moral rectitude that they are in the right that they can't conceive that they might actually be the bad guys and that, if they just explain their position, they'll be the heroes of the documentary?

No-one seems to get that him letting then proselytise is actually just giving them enough rope to hang themselves with.

Although, having praised his unflappability in the first paragraph, I understand he does lose his calm and call that woman sociopathic towards the end of the documentary, but I don't mind that as remaining completely stoic in the face of such enormity is not a virtue.

Puja

It's the bit in bold

I don't think he loses it with her, he's matter of fact about it

[Which Tyler]

Although, having praised his unflappability in the first paragraph, I understand he does lose his calm and call that woman sociopathic towards the end of the documentary, but I don't mind that as remaining completely stoic in the face of such enormity is not a virtue.

He's always pushed back a little; but usually in a "of course, some people (not me, no, never me) would say that you're a fucking evil clown - there, I've helped you with the awkward bit of the noose-knot; would you care to wear it now?"
Then he may push back a little more in post, talking about being scared that he was busted or in physical danger (thinking especially of the nazis and the scientologists).

[Son of Mathonwy]

The whole documentary is worth watching. There's only so much Theroux I can take, and having to see the settlers up close wasn't too attractive a proposition but it's a decent show.

One little aside, not too far into the documentary we hear a rabbi saying that it's not just the occupied territories that belong to them, so does Lebanon.

Nice to know they'll have another project to move onto when the genocide is complete . . .along with taking increasingly large parts of Syria for 'security'.

Another great moment was when the machine-gun wearing former Texan settler says it's the Arabs who are genocidal. And you can see he believes it too.

[Son of Mathonwy]

This is all so depressing:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... his-strike

Do we really have to be the bad guys? Not in my name FFS.

[paddy no 11]

Richard burgon mp has called for sanctions on Israel......good on you fella. I see he has had a run in with the sun newspaper which also makes me think he's probably a good un

Keir will be along shortly to castrate him

[Danno]

"Saturday 10 May 2025

The now independent MP Richard Burgon stated that Starmer could go fuck himself on this and virtually every other issue he stands for"

[paddy no 11]

"Saturday 10 May 2025

The now independent MP Richard Burgon stated that Starmer could go fuck himself on this and virtually every other issue he stands for"

If I give hammy some money can we get the like function back

[Son of Mathonwy]

Something slightly strange is happening in the media. About a week ago we suddenly had these:

The Independent saying 'End the defending silence on Gaza - it is time to speak up'.
The FT writing of 'The West's shameful silence on Gaza'.
The Times asking 'Why we are closing our eyes to Gaza's horror?'
The Economist: 'The war in Gaza must end'.
And the BBC does seem to be (almost) condemning Israel these days and hinting at the possibility of *genocide* a little more clearly.

What is happening? Has a secret signal gone out? Has the British media discovered a conscience (after 19 months)? Do they now finally see the truth? Are they realizing that the horror of Gaza cannot be hidden and when fully revealed will brand Israel's supporters as supporters of genocide for all time?

It has been said that one day everyone will always have been against it . . . maybe that time is approaching.

It'll be a while before a friend of Israel like Keir Starmer will change course but perhaps at long last there will be a bit more pressure from the media (not all of it obviously, not the Sun or Telegraph).



Related - some analysis of the biases coverage of Gaza in the press:

https://www.newarab.com/analysis/number ... r-coverage
https://novaramedia.com/2024/08/01/we-r ... ered-gaza/