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[UKHamlet]

I don't feel too bad about a fifty pointer, funnily enough

[Buggaluggs]

50 points. That's a shame, but about right. Lots of industry from Wales to score. Then give away easy tries. ABs and RSA will be ugly.

[Sandydragon]

The 2 soft tries hurt us badly.
Our aerial game was poor.
Scrum oenalties with Griffin
Some really naive play at times.
Defensively a mixed bag at times.

But,

Much sharper with the ball.
Tomos Williams looked a different player.
Mann played well.
Cracknellbrought some really naive play dog to the match.
Wainwright carried hard throughout.
More offloads than I’ve seen in the past 10 years.

Oddly I don’t feel too despondent.i was expecting a loss and the scale is about what I was expecting. But it felt like a competitive game and there’s positives to work on.

[UKHamlet]

We are only at the start of the journey. We've conceded too many easy tries, but scored some good ones. A bit more cohesiveness and the team buying into the plan and doing it instinctively and we will start to turn it around.

[Sandydragon]

50 points. That's a shame, but about right. Lots of industry from Wales to score. Then give away easy tries. ABs and RSA will be ugly.

We can’t afford the concentration lapses. Completely took the game away from us.

[Buggaluggs]

50 points. That's a shame, but about right. Lots of industry from Wales to score. Then give away easy tries. ABs and RSA will be ugly.

We can’t afford the concentration lapses. Completely took the game away from us.

Kicking the ball over the dead ball line when our replacement front row is 90% likely to give Arg a lineout at our 22 is criminal. More patience needed. We did will recycling and capitalizing on gaps when they finally appear. More of that. Less home run attempts.

[Son of Mathonwy]

Some good moments but far too many horrific ones. Giving up 2 tries just before half time was a disaster (but then so was the first 10 minutes of the match).

Set piece was good (should be thankful for that, we have enough nightmares), high ball was terrible.

Haven't seen stats gets but . . .
Carre was okay, no fuck-ups but nothing brilliant either.
Assiratti was decent.
Lake was v good.
Locks did well (we will miss them in game 4).
Not convinced by Mann (need to see the stats). His complete missed lineout catch led to their 2nd try.
Morgan and Wainwright excellent.
Williams pretty good (by his high standards) but that yellow was stupid and costly.
Edwards was excellent. Wish that break had got the try it deserved.
Thomas was a liability and lucky to miss a red. Not sure he's the man for the job.
Llewellyn was okay (need to see stats though).
Adams totally anonymous.
Rogers v good, always working, at least he was competing for the high ball (we really got worse there once he was taken off). Why he came off instead of Adams is a mystery.
Murray competent as ever - but not that effective at high ball. Sightly disappointed at his top end pace.
Replacement front row all good.
Cracknell should have started IMO.
Evans was fine but Edwards should have stayed on.
LRZ preferred the chip and chase today although neither attempt came off (attempt 1 was good, unlucky with the bounce, attempt 2 was poor, wasting the break).

[Son of Mathonwy]

Mann completed the most tackles at 17 (although Jenkins, Llewellyn and Wainwright made 16) but he missed the most, at 4. Lake's 15 and Assiratti's 14 were pretty impressive considering how long they were on the pitch.

Morgan and Lake had our most carries per minute (.26 and .24).

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[pompey-zebra]

I don't feel too bad about a fifty pointer, funnily enough

Having watched the capitulation against England first hand, I feared the worst when the Argentine 5th try was scored, but fair play to Wales they showed plenty of fight.
Four decent tries too, and could have had one or two.more with a little more luck or composure.

A fair few good points. Attack looked sharp when it clicked and the tight defence was excellent on the whole. Cant remember the last time Wales won so many turn overs. Scrum was good and the line out was ok, though it went astray at some crucial times.

On the downside, shipping 7 tries is disappointing, especially with the timing of some of them. The two either side of half time were killers as was the interception. Disclipline was costly, and undid a lot of good work. Aerial battle just seemed to give the pumas a platform to counter attack from, and the question of what the best centre partnership is, hasnt been answered.

Still, plenty of fight and some good points to build on, which in this era of despondency in Welsh rugby , is at least a straw to clutch at.

[Buggaluggs]

It seemed like our attacking moves had Arg worried in the 1st half, but by the 2nd they'd seen what we had and were able to better contain it. The ABs seem to save a saucy move or two for the 2nd half so a tired defence has to cope with something new. Still, it's early days for Tandy to have a full cupboard of moves. Overall I liked the more aggressive play on attack. They just need to balance patience with aggression and stay switched on when defending.

[Sandydragon]

It seemed like our attacking moves had Arg worried in the 1st half, but by the 2nd they'd seen what we had and were able to better contain it. The ABs seem to save a saucy move or two for the 2nd half so a tired defence has to cope with something new. Still, it's early days for Tandy to have a full cupboard of moves. Overall I liked the more aggressive play on attack. They just need to balance patience with aggression and stay switched on when defending.

I felt we were looking a bit sluggish at the 60 mark, but we managed to get a second wind.

[UKHamlet]

They got the loosehead call wrong. Carre should have been brought on when the other pack was tiring. Cracknell should start, and given that Jac is probably out, it should be alongside Wainwright at 6 and Mann at 7. Tomos and Dan should be a fixture now. Ben Thomas had a good game*, but Max Llewellyn was poor. Josh Adams was anonymous, Murray was a liability, we need a 15 who can win aerial battles. It was a key factor in half the terrtory we conceded. Tom was pretty anonymous too. The lineout worked well, and the scrum was solid until Asirati went off. We're not far off being competitive despite the score. Experience will bring wisdom.

*Except the fecking stupid lash-out with the boot. That incident may have repercussions.

[Sandydragon]

Our defence was too porous but that can be worked on especially given the effort and aggression we saw yesterday. Every player turned up; but there are a few who are questionable at this level or in a particular position.

If we can get a competitive full back under the high ball then that will help no end. The jury is still out for me on Thomas. I’d be curious to see if Hawkins could be useful at IC.

Carre was a bit anonymous and I’d agree he might be a better sub than starter. Cracknell must start and the half back pairing should be given time to develop.

[newgalesurf]

I don't feel too bad about a fifty pointer, funnily enough

I agree. Thought I would be more upset (and thought the same in the first Dragons game of the season). Lots to build on

Defensively the backline needs work. Gotta deal with those high balls. Blair was exposed all game and you can guarantee other teams will have taken note

[Sandydragon]

I don't feel too bad about a fifty pointer, funnily enough

I agree. Thought I would be more upset (and thought the same in the first Dragons game of the season). Lots to build on

Defensively the backline needs work. Gotta deal with those high balls. Blair was exposed all game and you can guarantee other teams will have taken note

I think he had a really bad game in that respect, I’ve watched him deal with plenty of high balls before. But you can’t play that badly without some blowback so moving him to the wing or bench would seem the best option. A

[Sandydragon]

I don't feel too bad about a fifty pointer, funnily enough

I agree. Thought I would be more upset (and thought the same in the first Dragons game of the season). Lots to build on

Defensively the backline needs work. Gotta deal with those high balls. Blair was exposed all game and you can guarantee other teams will have taken note

For me, whilst we were clearly the second best team, we gifted a lot of very easy tries to Argentina. It’s stuff which is fixable ion the whole. Sort out the high ball issue and the game would have been closer. And we scored four tries.

Theres still along way to go but I think some positives can be taken out of that game. Although I still wish we weren’t playing the All Blacks and Bokkes in the next few weeks!

[Sandydragon]

I don't feel too bad about a fifty pointer, funnily enough

I agree. Thought I would be more upset (and thought the same in the first Dragons game of the season). Lots to build on

Defensively the backline needs work. Gotta deal with those high balls. Blair was exposed all game and you can guarantee other teams will have taken note

For me, whilst we were clearly the second best team, we gifted a lot of very easy tries to Argentina. It’s stuff which is fixable ion the whole. Sort out the high ball issue and the game would have been closer. And we scored four tries.

Theres still along way to go but I think some positives can be taken out of that game. Although I still wish we weren’t playing the All Blacks and Bokkes in the next few weeks!