1987: France 20 Scotland 20. A win for the latter woulda seen them face Fiji in the 1/4s and France play NZ, meaning we coulda ended up with a Trans-Tasman final. NB: Ditto but for Blanco's late winner against the co-hosts in the Sydney semi (I wuz there)
1991: Lynagh's late winner against Ireland in the 1/4s, just when it looked like the co-hosts had snatched it. A win woulda seen the Irish into the semis (a feat they still haven't managed), & likely an England v NZ final (which woulda been crummy).
1995: Hosts SA survived a late scare in their rain-sodden semi with France when Benazzi drove to the line and claimed he scored. Had referee Bevan agreed with him, it woulda been an NZ - France final and Clint Eastwood woulda never made a film about it. NB: Ditto an All Blacks victory in that dramatic extra-time final.
1999: What goes around comes around and this time it was SA on the receiving end of an extra-time loss. Had they not lost to the Wallabies in the semis, they quite likely woulda become the first double champions & back-to-back winners. Alternatively, France woulda got their first title.
2003: The Irish almost fought back for an unlikely victory over hosts Australia, which woulda put them into a more winnable 1/4 against Scotland, while the Wallabies woulda played France and, surviving that, England in the semis. NB: Ireland themselves were lucky to survive Argentina in the group stages, while Scotland were almost stunned by Fiji. Either result woulda prevented what remains the only 1/4 lineup featuring all 8 "founding members" of the IRB/World Rugby. & what if Wilko hadn't landed that extra time drop goal in the final? Would we still be waiting for a NH champ?
2007: Two upsets that woulda rivalled Japan's over the Boks last year almost occurred with Georgia taking Ireland down to the wire and Tonga giving subsequent champs SA an almighty scare. Might that have encouraged the powers-that-be to add the Lelos to the 6 Nations and the Islands to SANZAR?
2011: Lambie's disallowed try against Australia probably prevented SA reaching the semis, while in the semis themselves Warburton's equally controversial send-off probably denied Wales a first-ever appearance in the final, while in the final itself hosts NZ went unpunished for their offside infringements in the narrow win over France. NB: France woulda been just the 5th nation to lift the trophy, in what was their 3rd attempt in the final.
2015: Certainly woulda been interesting if Scotland had beaten Australia in the 1/4s because it woulda meant a new RWC finalist for the first time since 95, and probably that team woulda been Argentina. Still, it's in the history books now, and that's all that matters.
Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda - RWC's almost upsets
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Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda - RWC's almost upsets
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Re: Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda - RWC's almost upsets
So no mention of Paddy O'Brien costing the Fijians a spot in the quarters in their play-offs qualifier against France?
Or the Samoans having to front against Wales only 4 days after their previous game, and running out of gas at the very end in a loss where only 1 converted try separated the two sides?
Or in 2015 - if a buoyant and confident Japan had received a less shitty draw, which might have afforded them a less shitty schedule rather than having them front the Scots 4 days after their win against the Boks?
Or the Samoans having to front against Wales only 4 days after their previous game, and running out of gas at the very end in a loss where only 1 converted try separated the two sides?
Or in 2015 - if a buoyant and confident Japan had received a less shitty draw, which might have afforded them a less shitty schedule rather than having them front the Scots 4 days after their win against the Boks?
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Re: Shoulda, Coulda, Woulda - RWC's almost upsets
He's being racist, of course.
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
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Excellent contributions. Though the idea is also to include what woulda been the alternative outcome.
Paddygate was in in 99, if I'm not mistaken. It woulda put France into a repechage with Scotland, presumably, and sent Fiji directly to a more winnable 1/4 against Argentina. Not sure if I've worked it out properly, but France woulda then been on the other side of the draw, so NZ woulda most likely reached the final against Australia.
Samoa & the scheduling saga refers to 2011, right? Okay, so a win there for Samoa woulda seen them into the 1/4s versus Ireland and a guaranteed debutante at the semis stage. Probably woulda been no impact beyond that stage, however.
Regarding Japan last year, I agree with the shitty draw issue, which is one of the reasons I supported to 24-team format with a return to groups of 4. I don't think we can include this as an 'almost upset,' however, though hypothetically A Japanese win over Scotland woulda sent them through to the 1/4s against subsequent finalists Australia.
Any others?
Paddygate was in in 99, if I'm not mistaken. It woulda put France into a repechage with Scotland, presumably, and sent Fiji directly to a more winnable 1/4 against Argentina. Not sure if I've worked it out properly, but France woulda then been on the other side of the draw, so NZ woulda most likely reached the final against Australia.
Samoa & the scheduling saga refers to 2011, right? Okay, so a win there for Samoa woulda seen them into the 1/4s versus Ireland and a guaranteed debutante at the semis stage. Probably woulda been no impact beyond that stage, however.
Regarding Japan last year, I agree with the shitty draw issue, which is one of the reasons I supported to 24-team format with a return to groups of 4. I don't think we can include this as an 'almost upset,' however, though hypothetically A Japanese win over Scotland woulda sent them through to the 1/4s against subsequent finalists Australia.
Any others?
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
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Thats a joke btwDonny osmond wrote:He's being racist, of course.
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.