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[BBD]

I had a hamburger and fries with a Diet Coke at TGI Fridays the other day, I didn't have a starter, but I did have a Mississippi mud pie for dessert.....just how complicit am I?

[rowan]

My preference is Jill Stein. I wouldn't vote for Trump, precisely because he is a misogynist racist, but I wouldn't vote for Hillary either, simply because she panders to false ideals. She thinks America did the right thing in Afghanistan, too, back in the 70s when they removed the socialist government, even though, by her own admission, it didn't work out too well. In fact, the socialist government of the 1970s included equal rights for women right across the board. America sent in the Muhajideen to destroy that and today there are few countries on the planet where women currently have fewer rights. However, one country where women pretty much have no rights is Saudi Arabia. Guess who just brokered a lucrative arms deal with them? Your future president, ladies and gentlemen.

The statistics for casualties resulting from US wars and interventions since WWII, and specifically relating to Muslims since the beginning of the 1990s, were given by American sources themselves. However, exact figures would be nearly impossible to attain, partly because the US military doesn't do body counts on non-Americans. Your viewpoint nonetheless comes across as denialist.

[Coco]

I had a hamburger and fries with a Diet Coke at TGI Fridays the other day, I didn't have a starter, but I did have a Mississippi mud pie for dessert.....just how complicit am I?

TGI Fridays... Thats soooooo 90's BBD

[rowan]

Quite a few of us do not buy into the "feminist" aspect of any of this, let alone think for a moment that Hillary would be a champion for anything but chaos

This is a fair point. I apologise for the generalisation, but we're on a chat board and sometimes a bit lazy with our wording.

[BBD]

I had a hamburger and fries with a Diet Coke at TGI Fridays the other day, I didn't have a starter, but I did have a Mississippi mud pie for dessert.....just how complicit am I?

TGI Fridays... Thats soooooo 90's BBD

I was going retro, ya baggage! It was eaten ironically

[Coco]

But that's not what I wrote, is it? I said all taxpaying Americans, and this includes Americans of every race, gender and creed who pays taxes - and does not actively protest against their government's actions.

& how many times have we read that Trump gains most of his support from misogynist (therefore presumably male) rednecks (therefore presumably white)? But suggest Clinton gains much of hers from middle class white women and suddenly the accusations start flying.

Donald J. Trump’s support among white men, the linchpin of his presidential campaign, is showing surprising signs of weakness that could foreclose his only remaining path to victory in November.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/us/po ... e-men.html

Jesus Christ you cannot possibly believe any of this is accurate, not to mention quoting NY Times? Biased much? Hillary and white middle class women is about as true as Trump and misogynist rednecks. Please do yoursrlf a favor and give a different perspective a chance. Honestly Rowan, you do have some insightful posts but this is putting a huge crack in your credibility and judgement.

[rowan]

The war profiteers will be happy if Hillary gets elected, the banks too, and the corporate elite are all backing her. I think Donald Trump just has angry white guys and a nutty billionaire or two behind him. Hopefully a lot of voters will look to a third party candidate this time. Make the Democratic Party earn this vote, not assume it.

[Coco]

Quite a few of us do not buy into the "feminist" aspect of any of this, let alone think for a moment that Hillary would be a champion for anything but chaos

This is a fair point. I apologise for the generalisation, but we're on a chat board and sometimes a bit lazy with our wording.

No need to apologize.. Everyone is most definitely entitled to their opinion. It really comes off terrible though, and I can only hope I misread the intent. Intent is key.

[rowan]

not to mention quoting NY Times?

No, I'm not quoting them as a source of credible information, perish the thought, just presenting an example of generalisations also being applied to Trump's support base.

[Coco]

not to mention quoting NY Times?

No, I'm not quoting them as a source of credible information, perish the thought, just presenting an example of generalisations also being applied to Trump's support base.

Yes, I am fairly sure the majority of informed adults realize the generalisations go both ways in the media. Leave that to the window licking so called unbiased journalists. Be a better example of tolerance by accepting that most informed people, whether you agree with them or not, have valid opinions which may have just as much merit as your own opinions. It really is the only way anything will ever change. [/endmomrant]

[Donny osmond]

First this...

It's not sexist, racist or classist at all. That's your attempt to blackmail someone into silence because you don't like their opinion.

But then, hilariously, this:

Anyway, if you're American you're in no position to assume the moral high ground with anyone. Your country has murdered more than 20 million people since WWII, including around 10 million Muslims since the beginning of the 1990s, and every taxpaying American is a party to that.

Of course, using the words "white" "middle class" and "women" as implied insults, either individually or collectively, does hit the full house of racism, classism and sexism.... but as its aimed at Americans it's ok. That's just the way it is, Coco.

[Donny osmond]

Btw, there is nothing wrong with TGI Fridays.

[BBD]

Btw, there is nothing wrong with TGI Fridays.

Try telling that to white middle class American women and see what happens

[rowan]

In that case, Donny, we must regard the mainstream American media as being racist and misandrist for comments like this:

Donald J. Trump’s support among white men, the linchpin of his presidential campaign, is showing surprising signs of weakness that could foreclose his only remaining path to victory in November.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/19/us/po ... e-men.html

Also you made no comment about my own description of Trump's supporters as being angry white men, which I actually threw in as my own little test on consistency here.

So what I'm seeing here is a lot of hypocrisy and double-standards which I attribute to the brainwashing power of Western media.

[BBD]

Aww don't be too hard on him, he was probably just being a lazy reader

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Btw, there is nothing wrong with TGI Fridays.

You make a good point and then ruin it with this. Honestly!

[Mellsblue]

I had a hamburger and fries with a Diet Coke at TGI Fridays the other day, I didn't have a starter, but I did have a Mississippi mud pie for dessert.....just how complicit am I?

TGI Fridays... Thats soooooo 90's BBD

It was eaten ironically

This made me lol.

[Sandydragon]

I had a hamburger and fries with a Diet Coke at TGI Fridays the other day, I didn't have a starter, but I did have a Mississippi mud pie for dessert.....just how complicit am I?

You bastard.

[Digby]

The statistics for casualties resulting from US wars and interventions since WWII, and specifically relating to Muslims since the beginning of the 1990s, were given by American sources themselves. However, exact figures would be nearly impossible to attain, partly because the US military doesn't do body counts on non-Americans. Your viewpoint nonetheless comes across as denialist.

You may be some distance from others agreeing all those wars are US wars, and too making any claim all those killed were in fact murdered by the Americans when it seems somewhat likely most were not killed by the Americans is attributing too much to the US.

If one simply wanted to claim the USA is spending a lot of money destabilising large areas of the world and ideally they'd cease doing that without simply pursuing an isolationist stance as an alternative then fair enough.

[kk67]

That's a marvellous pice of sexism. The Oxford graduate and barrister little lady couldn't possibly have a mind of her own.

Denis paid for her Bar qualifications,......how many cases did she actually deal with..?. Tax was her speciality wasn't it..?.
Not much time in court, no surprises that stealth tax has become central to how the upper class deal with this country and why they are giving away huge tax breaks to scum of the earth industrialists.

He paid her fees, which is not at all the same thing as paying for her qualifications. nice try to row out from your spectacular sexism.

Let me edit this,...

[Coco]

Btw, there is nothing wrong with TGI Fridays.

Try telling that to white middle class American women and see what happens

I'm just bitter because I broke a molar eating a cheeseburger at TGI Fridays quite a while ago, and have not had the courage to go back since. True story.

[Digby]

Btw, there is nothing wrong with TGI Fridays.

Try telling that to white middle class American women and see what happens

I'm just bitter because I broke a molar eating a cheeseburger at TGI Fridays quite a while ago, and have not had the courage to go back since. True story.

Genuine iceberg lettuce in the burger?

[Coco]

Try telling that to white middle class American women and see what happens

I'm just bitter because I broke a molar eating a cheeseburger at TGI Fridays quite a while ago, and have not had the courage to go back since. True story.

Genuine iceberg lettuce in the burger?

Haha! I wish. It was the biggest bone shard I have ever seen in ground meat. Needless to say, the manager of the restaurant was horrified at the sight of the culprit, and the damage. He made sure my emergency dental work was taken care of by their insurance. I ended up needing a crown. Sigh...Good times.

[Lizard]

I'm in a bar in Texas. Any trigger words I should avoid should I strike up conversation with a local?

Difficulty level: 1 pint away from being quite unsteady.


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[Coco]

I'm in a bar in Texas. Any trigger words I should avoid should I strike up conversation with a local?

Difficulty level: 1 pint away from being quite unsteady.


Sent from my genius using brilliance

Yes..

1. California
2. Gun control
3. Any mention of how TexMex is not real Mexican food.