Clinton

[Donny osmond]

Whats great to see is that we can now categorize anyone as being guilty of anything without having to bother ourselves with due legal process or involving the niceties of a trial in a court. Clinton is a war criminal in the same way some nameless celebrity from the 70s is a peado... if you dont just recognize it as fact then the problem is with you and your inherent sexism/racism/whatever-ism. Brilliant way to promote clear objective evidence based thinking.

[Digby]

Sure, Digby, the poor helpless little female didn't have a clue what was going on around her - in your opinion...

Quite a few concerns when looking at Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya...

At least Libya is more relevant to Clinton. I don't on a personal level mind her language there as the man was an evil and demented arse, though it doesn't add anything to her side and allows some to consider the killing an injustice by the US and on such basis it's daft. We really should've learned many times over in our history that one can't simply involve oneself in the middle east and have the outcome be as was desired, but we haven't and Libya was and is a mess, though not simply a US one, and even within the US then Hillary wasn't alone in supporting those actions they took.

Going further that Russia was so opposed to the actions in Libya gives them the sense they can act with impunity now in other actions when clearly the West went way beyond the mandate they had in Libya, and that's still causing big problems now, and not just in Libya.

But if the concerns are with Hillary that she was pro intervention in Libya, then ignoring a different intervention may have ended differently we'd have to accept that Trump was pro intervention too. Okay Trump wasn't getting the same intelligence briefings, but I've no sense getting more feedback from the military would've led Donald to want to pursue a different strategy.

So it still seems odd that you think Hillary not getting questions on this would be sexist. Okay you may prefer neither of the two candidates on show (join the club) but as there are no other candidates that the Green candidate wasn't there isn't because the major US networks are sexist in the favour Hillary.

[rowan]

Sorry, mate, I'm not going to continue the discussion for the reasons mentioned earlier.

[Donny osmond]

Ooooh, thread flounce. Nice work, leave 'em hanging. You big tease you!

[Coco]

Well that was easy.

[morepork]

She should keep it simple, like the Donald. His one-issue campaign is basically wealth English-speaking white males. Fuck everything else. Genius.

How do thick people become so rich?

[Coco]

He's smart. Remember? He reminded us during the debate.

[Digby]

She should keep it simple, like the Donald. His one-issue campaign is basically wealth English-speaking white males. Fuck everything else. Genius.

How do thick people become so rich?

Rich parents, low inheritance taxes

[morepork]

He's smart. Remember? He reminded us during the debate.

Yeah, "bigly".

[Eugene Wrayburn]

He's smart. Remember? He reminded us during the debate.

Yeah, "bigly".

That must be one of those" best words" he has.

[kk67]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/12191766?

Nice one, Fella....cracking article. Some of the quotes are quality.

It should at this point be observed that her opponent is a shameless con artist who has built an empire bilking people with fake businesses, fake universities, fake charities and, now, a fake campaign. Last week, he told a lie every three minutes and fifteen seconds. Oh, and did we mention that he, (like so many of his online “supporters,”) is a goddamn Russian stooge? I tried to list all of the dumb, awful stuff that he does every day and I cannot come close to keeping up.
'Voters, it seems, are his easiest marks yet'.

Back in the mid-90s, Clinton’s persistent unwillingness to hide the fact that she was a thinking human female really freaked the centre-left establishment out. Michael Moore observed that, “[Maureen Dowd] is fixated on trashing Hillary Rodham in the way liberals love to do, to prove they’re not really liberal.” The bashing slowly morphed into a creepy, extraordinary sort of policing.


Since then, Clinton racked up a Senate voting record more liberal than any nominee since Mondale. Her 2008 platform was slightly to Obama’s left on domestic issues. Her 2016 platform was barely to the right of self-proclaimed socialist Bernie Sanders.
Yet, we have all heard and seen countless liberal posers passionately decrying her “far right voting record,” untrustworthy promises or ever-changing policy positions.
Jon Stewart recently called Clinton, “A bright woman without the courage of her convictions, because I don’t know what they even are.”



Most entertaining. You can't guess how history will be written but his analysis sounds reasonable.

[kk67]

Whats great to see is that we can now categorize anyone as being guilty of anything without having to bother ourselves with due legal process or involving the niceties of a trial in a court. Clinton is a war criminal in the same way some nameless celebrity from the 70s is a peado... if you dont just recognize it as fact then the problem is with you and your inherent sexism/racism/whatever-ism. Brilliant way to promote clear objective evidence based thinking.

That's why it's really important that we do try them all.



Especially the guilty ones. *Kent Brockman voice*

[Coco]

He's smart. Remember? He reminded us during the debate.

Yeah, "bigly".

That must be one of those" best words" he has.

It is one of many he uses often.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/12220124?

[Digby]

B) Try to use the fact that Clinton did as a stick to beat her with, basically dancing around and going "Egghead likes her bookywook! Egghead likes her bookywook!"

'twas only the last election that Mitt Romney was called out for speaking French. Now I'd contend there are all sorts of reasons to doubt and mock Romney, but that having an education plays for knocking down a candidate is worrying indeed.

It seems for reasons passing understanding many average hard working Americans (and one must always it seems label all voters as hard working despite all sorts of evidence to the contrary) don't want to associated with people getting one of them there educations. We saw some of this in Brexit too with people not wanting to hear from experts, we see it in the global warming debate, on vaccinations...

[morepork]

Trump's largest fan base is uneducated crackers, poll after poll, after poll. There is a direct correlation with the level of education.

[Digby]

Trump's largest fan base is uneducated crackers, poll after poll, after poll. There is a direct correlation with the level of education.

There was with Brexit too, and it turns out we do indeed have too many thick people.

[morepork]

get-a-brain-morans.jpg

[Sandydragon]

Trump's largest fan base is uneducated crackers, poll after poll, after poll. There is a direct correlation with the level of education.

There was with Brexit too, and it turns out we do indeed have too many thick people.

Is anyone surprised by this? Not only did they want to leave, but we need to leave right fecking now without any kind of plan.

[zer0]

[Eugene Wrayburn]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/po ... ipad-share

WTF? America's tax codea are bonkers.

[Digby]

The defence from the Trump campaign sounds like someone has spent too much time reading the Chuck Norris Facts.

I've got family who were among the contractors that weren't paid by Trump, suffice to say even as nailed on Republicans they'll be voting for Clinton, which so far as I understand will be the first democrat anyone has voted for in their family since Truman. Trump may have gotten out of paying them, but they still lost their house and their business as they couldn't get out of their debts back then. Of course we've had similar in this country where big business interests have been allowed to wind up with those at the top retaining their vast wealth whilst lower ranked employees and contractors have been screwed over, though that's it's odious doesn't mean it's an easy fix.

[morepork]

No surprises there. Trickle down in action.

Trump is, has always been, and always will be, an unmitigated fuckwit.

[morepork]

and he scores again. You want an insight into what it's like being a woman around this cunt, look here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politic ... -1.2821855

No surprises, "everyone does it" they will say, but fuck me, you can set your clocks back 50 years if this fucking idiot gets anywhere near policy making of any kind. How in the name of Greyskull's septic kok did anyone think this was an appropriate representation of a political philosophy?? When someone like this enjoys so much unfettered access to wealth and power you just know the whole show is FUBAR. The system is run by complete fucktards.

Anyone that paints this as PC gone mad should be marched immediately off to the salt mines.

[Mellsblue]

She should keep it simple, like the Donald. His one-issue campaign is basically wealth English-speaking white males. Fuck everything else. Genius.

How do thick people become so rich?

Rich parents, low inheritance taxes

I recently read that if he'd stuck all of his inheritance in a FTSE tracker fund he'd be a lot richer than he currently is. So, in essence, the self proclaimed business genius has spent decades losing money.