Turkey 15/7/16

[kk67]

In reality, 'ISIS' is another invention of the American media to justify their involvement in Syria, and after all that has gone before you would have to be really, really gullible to believe it. Their vehicles and weapons were supplied by America, their video clips look like they were filmed in Hollywood studios, and their uniforms belong in a Kung Fu movie. But as a direct result of this propaganda the US and its NATO allies have able to get involved in Syria directly in support of the proxies they sent in to destabilize the country in the first place. Ideally they would like to force another regime change and bring Syria into their growing sphere of influence in the region. But failing that they would be quite content just to destroy the nation, no matter how many millions they have to kill, cripple, traumatize, displace and disenfranchise along the way.

I don't know about hysterical drivel......all the above is certainly true. The entire arab spring looks like a set-up.

[Edinburgh in Exile]

As mentioned before, if we were discussing Brexit, I wouldn't be trying to tell the Brits their business. But when it comes to what Turkey is doing in Syria, the Brits want to tell me my business even though I am living here, speak the language, read the news in Turkish every day and am watching the TV news in Turkish even as I write this, of course. Not only that, I actually write the occasional opinion piece for the press on these matters myself. & the first person to start slinging the 'don't-know-what-your-talking-about' accusations was not me, but Stones of Granite. Let's get that straight. But all anyone in Britain can do is regurgitate what they read in their own notoriously biased press, even as their own country contributes to the carnage, that's why they believe in the American propaganda machine's invention of 'ISIS,' and that's why they perceive the Russians as the villains in the piece when they have actually been invited by the recognized government of Syria to help get rid of the proxies the US and Saudi et al have sent in there. & when there's civilian casualties, they scream blue murder even though they are mostly silent when (uninvited) members of NATO and their allies were destroying the country, as they'd planned to do for a very long time. That kind of hypocrisy is the result of an enormous amount of brainwashing and is clearly indicative of an inferior moral perspective. & you may be interested to know that a leaked US intelligence report actually praised the efficiency of the Russians in Syria.

The amount of times you have typed variations of the word brainwashed on this forum over the last few months must be staggering.

[kk67]

The amount of times you have typed variations of the word brainwashed on this forum over the last few months must be staggering.

It's the publication of ISIS brutality that is the main element of US attempts to 'brainwash' the proles. And it's effective.
As any fule kno,.....to create justification for your economic war you must portray the opposition as sub-human. That provides your populace with a moral indignation ripe for exploitation.

It was apparent from the outset that the public decapitation videos were a ploy by someone. I don't remember much of an outcry when our allies were doing it. It just wasn't sprayed all over Youtube.

[OptimisticJock]

As mentioned before, if we were discussing Brexit, I wouldn't be trying to tell the Brits their business. But when it comes to what Turkey is doing in Syria, the Brits want to tell me my business even though I am living here, speak the language, read the news in Turkish every day and am watching the TV news in Turkish even as I write this, of course. Not only that, I actually write the occasional opinion piece for the press on these matters myself. & the first person to start slinging the 'don't-know-what-your-talking-about' accusations was not me, but Stones of Granite. Let's get that straight. But all anyone in Britain can do is regurgitate what they read in their own notoriously biased press, even as their own country contributes to the carnage, that's why they believe in the American propaganda machine's invention of 'ISIS,' and that's why they perceive the Russians as the villains in the piece when they have actually been invited by the recognized government of Syria to help get rid of the proxies the US and Saudi et al have sent in there. & when there's civilian casualties, they scream blue murder even though they are mostly silent when (uninvited) members of NATO and their allies were destroying the country, as they'd planned to do for a very long time. That kind of hypocrisy is the result of an enormous amount of brainwashing and is clearly indicative of an inferior moral perspective. & you may be interested to know that a leaked US intelligence report actually praised the efficiency of the Russians in Syria.

The amount of times you have typed variations of the word brainwashed on this forum over the last few months must be staggering.

How staggering is it compared to the lack of self awareness?

[rowan]

State of Emergency extended for another 3 months. Looks like they still haven't thrown enough of their enemies in prison yet. a few more tens of thousands ought to do it.

Meanwhile, our glorious leader has been dwelling upon the loss of empire. Thank Zeus the Greeks got all the islands, is all I can say, because they are a veritable paradise and probably wouldn't be otherwise. The Turks are only jealous now because they have come to see what fantastic, money-spinning little tourist resorts they are. I often wonder too how it would've worked out had the Greeks kept hold of Constantinople - or at least the European half. But in this respect I'm not sure they could have done any better than the Turks, all the tourism would revolve solely around ancient Byzantine ruins without the palaces and mosques of the Ottoman era, and it would be just another European city; whereas what we have today is in fact a unique blend of Middle Eastern and European culture:

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has criticized those that signed the Lausanne Treaty in 1923 that largely gave Turkey its present borders instead of the rump state envisioned in the Treaty of Sèvres, saying some had tried to present Lausanne as a victory.

“July 15 is the second War of Independence for the Turkish nation. Let us know it like that. They [threatened] us with Sèvres in 1920 and persuaded us to [accept] Lausanne in 1923. Some tried to deceive us by presenting Lausanne as victory. At Lausanne, we gave away the [now-Greek] islands that you could shout across to,” Erdoğan said Sept. 29 at his 27th gathering with village chiefs in Ankara.

“We are still struggling about what the continental shelf will be, and what will be in the air and the land. The reason for this is those who sat at the table for that treaty. Those who sat there did not do [us] justice, and we are reaping those troubles right now. If this coup had succeeded, they would have given us a treaty that would have made us long for Sèvres,” he said.

Signed on July 24, 1923, the Treaty of Lausanne, which was signed by İsmet İnönü, who later succeeded Mustafa Kemal Atatürk as president, is regarded as the final treaty concluding World War I that secured the foundation of the modern Republic of Turkey after the War of Independence against the occupying forces of Britain, France, Italy and Greece. The treaty recognized the boundaries of Turkey as well as the conditions under which non-Muslim minorities would live in the new republic.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Defaul ... sCatID=338

[Donny osmond]

As mentioned before, if we were discussing Brexit, I wouldn't be trying to tell the Brits their business. But when it comes to what Turkey is doing in Syria, the Brits want to tell me my business even though I am living here, speak the language, read the news in Turkish every day and am watching the TV news in Turkish even as I write this, of course. Not only that, I actually write the occasional opinion piece for the press on these matters myself. & the first person to start slinging the 'don't-know-what-your-talking-about' accusations was not me, but Stones of Granite. Let's get that straight. But all anyone in Britain can do is regurgitate what they read in their own notoriously biased press, even as their own country contributes to the carnage, that's why they believe in the American propaganda machine's invention of 'ISIS,' and that's why they perceive the Russians as the villains in the piece when they have actually been invited by the recognized government of Syria to help get rid of the proxies the US and Saudi et al have sent in there. & when there's civilian casualties, they scream blue murder even though they are mostly silent when (uninvited) members of NATO and their allies were destroying the country, as they'd planned to do for a very long time. That kind of hypocrisy is the result of an enormous amount of brainwashing and is clearly indicative of an inferior moral perspective. & you may be interested to know that a leaked US intelligence report actually praised the efficiency of the Russians in Syria.

The amount of times you have typed variations of the word brainwashed on this forum over the last few months must be staggering.

How staggering is it compared to the lack of self awareness?

I'm just impressed that anyone is still reading his stuff tbh

[rowan]

A confession of narrow-mindedness, if ever there was one.

[Edinburgh in Exile]

A confession of narrow-mindedness, if ever there was one.

Not overly, although that does hint at the regard you hold your own opinion.

[rowan]

No, it quite clearly hints at the disregard you & your ilk hold for the opinions of others. That's very evident here.

Meanwhile, NATO member Turkey will continue its operations within Syria - completely uninvited - for at least another year.

Turkey's parliament on Saturday overwhelmingly approved a one-year extension of an existing mandate to use Turkish troops abroad in Syria and Iraq.


Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/afp/201 ... z4Lumr2Wgr

[OptimisticJock]

Just your opinion. Everything you are levelling at those on here you are guilty of yourself.

[rowan]

No, I'm just coming up against a lot of narrow-mindedness here. You antagonized that guy Uagain until he blew up at you all and got banned, all because you didn't think the same way as he did. Truth is, he was just a lot smarter and more knowledgeable, and that's why you had to antagonize him. Did you imagine this somehow made your views superior?

[Digby]

I'm still waiting to see what Peter FitzSimons has to say on the matter, so far as I know he's only caught up to Gallipoli so far.

[Edinburgh in Exile]

No, it quite clearly hints at the disregard you & your ilk hold for the opinions of others. That's very evident here.

Meanwhile, NATO member Turkey will continue its operations within Syria - completely uninvited - for at least another year.

Turkey's parliament on Saturday overwhelmingly approved a one-year extension of an existing mandate to use Turkish troops abroad in Syria and Iraq.


Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/afp/201 ... z4Lumr2Wgr

Me and my ilk? Christ. Give yourself an uppercut.

My regard, or obvious lack of, of your opinions has nothing to do with the subject itself, and everything to do with how you present it. I've never bothered to get into it with you, as a result, I'm pretty confident you've got no idea what I think. I've got absolutely fuck all interest in assumptions being used to manipulated this into my team vs your team. It's as tedious as it is childish.

Whilst life is the longest thing I'll ever do, it's still way too short to get stuck in a circular argument with someone I don't know, on a sparcely populated politics board of a rugby forum. Particularly one who consistently deals in absolutes, and laughably uses words like "evil" to describe nation states.

If I this looks like I'm playing the man and not the ball, it is, and I am. As I said, it's not the content that irks me, it's the delivery.

Anyway, fuck it all, I'm in danger of taking this seriously, and displaying a massive dose of hypocrisy all within one post, so I'll leave you all to it.

[OptimisticJock]

No, I'm just coming up against a lot of narrow-mindedness here. You antagonized that guy Uagain until he blew up at you all and got banned, all because you didn't think the same way as he did. Truth is, he was just a lot smarter and more knowledgeable, and that's why you had to antagonize him. Did you imagine this somehow made your views superior?

Show me these posts where I antagonised UG. I had little to no interaction with him on the last 2 incarnations of this board.

You have also shifted the goal posts from what I've called you out on. I've told you you are lacking in enough awareness of your own views and propaganda that everything you aim at "us" is no better to what you perpetrate yourself.

[OptimisticJock]

No, it quite clearly hints at the disregard you & your ilk hold for the opinions of others. That's very evident here.

Meanwhile, NATO member Turkey will continue its operations within Syria - completely uninvited - for at least another year.

Turkey's parliament on Saturday overwhelmingly approved a one-year extension of an existing mandate to use Turkish troops abroad in Syria and Iraq.


Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/afp/201 ... z4Lumr2Wgr

Me and my ilk? Christ. Give yourself an uppercut.

My regard, or obvious lack of, of your opinions has nothing to do with the subject itself, and everything to do with how you present it. I've never bothered to get into it with you, as a result, I'm pretty confident you've got no idea what I think. I've got absolutely fuck all interest in assumptions being used to manipulated this into my team vs your team. It's as tedious as it is childish.

Whilst life is the longest thing I'll ever do, it's still way too short to get stuck in a circular argument with someone I don't know, on a sparcely populated politics board of a rugby forum. Particularly one who consistently deals in absolutes, and laughably uses words like "evil" to describe nation states.

If I this looks like I'm playing the man and not the ball, it is, and I am. As I said, it's not the content that irks me, it's the delivery.

Anyway, fuck it all, I'm in danger of taking this seriously, and displaying a massive dose of hypocrisy all within one post, so I'll leave you all to it.

Look what you've done Rowan! LOOK!!! You've made EinE make a lengthy and serious post. You're as bad as ISIS!!!!

[Digby]

Look what you've done Rowan! LOOK!!! You've made EinE make a lengthy and serious post. You're as bad as ISIS!!!!

So you're saying Rowan was created by and is operated by the CIA?

[rowan]

Meanwhile, NATO member Turkey will continue its operations within Syria - completely uninvited - for at least another year.

Turkey's parliament on Saturday overwhelmingly approved a one-year extension of an existing mandate to use Turkish troops abroad in Syria and Iraq.


Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/afp/201 ... z4Lumr2Wgr

So just to try and bring this all back to planet earth, am I the only one here that finds the above state of affairs highly suspicious? By whose authority does Turkey get to invade other nations at present? Since when did the native Kurds of those regions become the 'terrorists?' & is it any coincidence that there was an attempted coup in Turkey a few months ago which, in failing dismally virtually before it even got off the ground, only strengthened the president's hand? It all looks to me like part of a master plan to turn Syria into another Afghanistan-Iraq-Libya disaster zone.

[Donny osmond]

Look what you've done Rowan! LOOK!!! You've made EinE make a lengthy and serious post. You're as bad as ISIS!!!!

So you're saying Rowan was created by and is operated by the CIA?

Hahahaha [emoji23] [emoji23] quality

[rowan]

Ah, yes, CIA conspiracies, snicker snicker...

[rowan]

Our glorious leader, embroiled in a spat about Turkish troops invading other countries, has told his Iraqi counterpart to "know his place," because he, the Iraki leader, is "not at the same level" as the president of Turkey. I'm starting to wonder which century I'm living in...

In other news, the leader of the main opposition party may face trial for insulting our glorious leader's sprog, who was embroiled in a money laundering scandal not so long ago - but got off scott-free, naturally. The public prosecutor would like to throw the leader of the main opposition party in the can for a couple of years. But I'd be surprised if they could find room for him with all the tens of thousands of teachers, journalists, judges and armed forces personnel they've already crammed in there...

[rowan]

Good interview with deputy PM Mehmet Simsek on the aftermath of the attempted 'coup' here: http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/upf ... 28674.html

[rowan]

Whatever happened to national sovereignty? Syria and Iraq have been turned into free-for-alls. Got an axe to grind with anyone in those countries, now's your chance to just go in and bomb hell out of them

The Syrian military said on Oct. 20 that it would bring down any Turkish war planes entering Syrian air space, a response to air strikes carried out by Turkey overnight in northern Syria.

"Any attempt to once again breach Syrian airspace by Turkish war planes will be dealt with and they will be brought down by all means available," the Syrian army general command said in a statement.

Turkish air strikes hit a group of Syrian Kurdish People’s Protection Unit (YPG), the military wing of the Democratic Union Party (PYD), fighters allied to U.S.-backed militia late on Oct. 18, which the Syrian statement called an act of "blatant aggression".

Northern Syria is an increasingly complex battlefield and the Oct. 18 air strikes highlighted the conflicting agendas of NATO members Turkey and the United States.

Turkey supports Free Syrian Army (FSA) fighters opposed to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad and is also trying to push Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) away from Syria's Turkish border.

At the same time, the United States has backed PYD-led forces in their own fight against ISIL, infuriating Ankara, which sees the YPG as an extension of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) militants.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Defaul ... sCatID=352

[rowan]

& from the 'Only in Turkey' files comes news that an attempted assassin of a journalist who exposed the government's links to rebels in Syria is now roaming freely on the streets pending trial. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/istanb ... sCatID=509

[rowan]

How does Turkey celebrate Independence Day?

Bülent Tezcan, the deputy chairman of Turkey's main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP), has been wounded, daily Hürriyet reported on its website on Oct. 29.

Tezcan was shot on his foot while he was in a restaurant in the Aaegean province of Aydın, the report said.

He was taken to Adnan Menderes Hospital in the province and his condition is not said to be life-threatening.

CHP Deputy Parliamentary Group Chair Özgür Özel has said that "CHP will bring the ones responsible of the attack to account via staying in the boundaries of law."

The assailant, identified as Abdullah S., left the restaurant after shouting a slogan, CNN Türk reported. He was caught a short while after.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkis ... sCatID=341

How do I celebrate? By getting a stomach virus that keeps me at home over the long weekend

[rowan]

They're arresting all the Kurdish mayors now. Not sure exactly when the Gulenist purge expanded into a Kurdish one, but it seems the State of Emergency is allowing for the decimation of both.

& yet life seems perfectly normal in Istanbul. If I didn't pay any attention to the news, and if I hadn't heard the sonic boom special effects on 15/7, I could easily believe nothing had ever happened.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkis ... sCatID=338