Allardyce's first England squad

[Stom]

I still don't think Allardyce was the right man for the job. I think he thought he deserved the job based purely on the length of time he'd been a manager rather than through success. Same with Hodgson and McClaren. Three absolutely useless managers.

Now we're stuck with Southgate who may get the job based on results against teams we should be beating anyway. I can't help feeling he's very much a 'yes man' for the FA but at least he'd probably pick Rashford. It'll be interesting to see if he keeps Rooney as captain though.

Show some balls Gareth!

Better yet, show some fucking balls FA. Go get a top class coach!

Honestly, I think Southgate is a really underrated coach. I feel he'd do well if given a chance. And despite appearances, he's no shrinking violet.

Time will tell. I just hope he isn't given the job full time based on a few qualifying matches against poor teams.

The FA should be doing their best to get a top class, proven coach who has experience of winning big tournaments....but I honestly can't see many wanting the job now, regardless of how many millions will be thrown at them.

Such as whom?

Low?
Del Bosque?
Lippi?
Scolari?
Jacquet?
Lemerre?
Santos?
Rehhagel?

Yeah, no thanks.

And top club coaches winning big internationally? Lippi was one, Del Bosque another, but otherwise it's a bit thin on the ground in modern times.

[WaspInWales]

Honestly, I think Southgate is a really underrated coach. I feel he'd do well if given a chance. And despite appearances, he's no shrinking violet.

Time will tell. I just hope he isn't given the job full time based on a few qualifying matches against poor teams.

The FA should be doing their best to get a top class, proven coach who has experience of winning big tournaments....but I honestly can't see many wanting the job now, regardless of how many millions will be thrown at them.

Such as whom?

Low?
Del Bosque?
Lippi?
Scolari?
Jacquet?
Lemerre?
Santos?
Rehhagel?

Yeah, no thanks.

And top club coaches winning big internationally? Lippi was one, Del Bosque another, but otherwise it's a bit thin on the ground in modern times.

I'd welcome Low with open arms!

My point was that the FA should be canvassing the best managers out their as potential successors to Big 'innocent' Sam.

Fed up of seeing mediocre managers given the top job on the basis of them managing mediocre teams playing mediocre football for a couple of decades and avoiding relegation a few times.

I'm possibly being a tad harsh with my comments on Southgate too. He's done an ok job with the U21s but there still hasn't been a wow factor, even with the Toulon Tournament. I was never keen on him as a player so that probably doesn't help my view on him.

[WaspInWales]

#Allardyce4FIFA

[Eugene Wrayburn]

I still don't think Allardyce was the right man for the job. I think he thought he deserved the job based purely on the length of time he'd been a manager rather than through success. Same with Hodgson and McClaren. Three absolutely useless managers.

Now we're stuck with Southgate who may get the job based on results against teams we should be beating anyway. I can't help feeling he's very much a 'yes man' for the FA but at least he'd probably pick Rashford. It'll be interesting to see if he keeps Rooney as captain though.

Show some balls Gareth!

Better yet, show some fucking balls FA. Go get a top class coach!

Honestly, I think Southgate is a really underrated coach. I feel he'd do well if given a chance. And despite appearances, he's no shrinking violet.

Time will tell. I just hope he isn't given the job full time based on a few qualifying matches against poor teams.

The FA should be doing their best to get a top class, proven coach who has experience of winning big tournaments....but I honestly can't see many wanting the job now, regardless of how many millions will be thrown at them.

Haven't they done that? There are few coaches in world football with a better record than Capello. Didn't work out particularly better. I don't think management are the issue.

[WaspInWales]

Haven't they done that? There are few coaches in world football with a better record than Capello. Didn't work out particularly better. I don't think management are the issue.

It's obviously not all down to management/coaching. England are not blessed with many outstanding players at the moment, but successive England coaches have repeatedly put players out of position and refuse to drop certain players when there has been seemingly better options available.

Southgate has come in and his first decision is to keep Rooney as captain. It's just baffling.

I honestly think England can build a decent team with the players available and perhaps after a few years of international experience, players like Alli, Rashford, Shaw, Barkley, Dier, Stones, Kane (been crap so far for England but if he can replicate his best Spurs form, who knows) could all make it at the top level.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

Haven't they done that? There are few coaches in world football with a better record than Capello. Didn't work out particularly better. I don't think management are the issue.

It's obviously not all down to management/coaching. England are not blessed with many outstanding players at the moment, but successive England coaches have repeatedly put players out of position and refuse to drop certain players when there has been seemingly better options available.

Southgate has come in and his first decision is to keep Rooney as captain. It's just baffling.

I honestly think England can build a decent team with the players available and perhaps after a few years of international experience, players like Alli, Rashford, Shaw, Barkley, Dier, Stones, Kane (been crap so far for England but if he can replicate his best Spurs form, who knows) could all make it at the top level.

You're never going to agree with all the decisions and all coaches have repeated selections which seem mystifying (Ryan Crotty has 20 odd AB caps ffs). You've had coaches good an poor and always get to more or less the same place - slightly less far with the bad ones. That suggests the limiting factor is the players.

[WaspInWales]

Haven't they done that? There are few coaches in world football with a better record than Capello. Didn't work out particularly better. I don't think management are the issue.

It's obviously not all down to management/coaching. England are not blessed with many outstanding players at the moment, but successive England coaches have repeatedly put players out of position and refuse to drop certain players when there has been seemingly better options available.

Southgate has come in and his first decision is to keep Rooney as captain. It's just baffling.

I honestly think England can build a decent team with the players available and perhaps after a few years of international experience, players like Alli, Rashford, Shaw, Barkley, Dier, Stones, Kane (been crap so far for England but if he can replicate his best Spurs form, who knows) could all make it at the top level.

You're never going to agree with all the decisions and all coaches have repeated selections which seem mystifying (Ryan Crotty has 20 odd AB caps ffs). You've had coaches good an poor and always get to more or less the same place - slightly less far with the bad ones. That suggests the limiting factor is the players.

How the players are used is also key. Picking a second rate (compared to others) striker and making him captain and then trying to play him as a playmaker was always going to fail. Especially when that player is only concerned with getting hold of the ball as much as possible, regardless of where that is on the pitch and then making simple passes. Kane on set pieces. Sturridge and Rashford as wingers. Refusal to drop a keeper after they have made countless mistakes. These are just some of Woy's mistakes over a few ill-fated games, although it seems we're stuck with the Rooney experiment!

Surely it makes more sense to use the best players for those positions based on form and not favouritism.

There will always be debate over some selections with every team sport but it seems England managers do their best to be leftfield when common sense will suffice.

[WaspInWales]

Is it me or is Shearer bigging himself up for the England job?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37529523

Why does the next England coach need to be English? I would've thought being successful would be at the top of the list. Nationality isn't high on the list of criteria for me.

The last 3 English coaches have turned out to be as effective as a chocolate tea-pot. This is ignoring Big Sam's 100% record and his stellar career prior to becoming England coach, plus the 3 other one match or short term wonders. All of whom have been shit too.

[Mellsblue]

Is it me or is Shearer bigging himself up for the England job?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37529523

Why does the next England coach need to be English? I would've thought being successful would be at the top of the list. Nationality isn't high on the list of criteria for me.

The last 3 English coaches have turned out to be as effective as a chocolate tea-pot. This is ignoring Big Sam's 100% record and his stellar career prior to becoming England coach, plus the 3 other one match or short term wonders. All of whom have been shit too.

He's been saying little bits such as this ever since Hodgson got the push. His other favourite is to say that top Eng internationals should be far more involved. Ferdinand has being saying similar. If we followed their reasoning G Neville would be in the job and we all know how successful his managerial and coaching career as been so far. If these ex-internationals want to manage England, then how about they actually go out and coach a few clubs and work their way to the top rather than sit in a studio and earn a fortune for a low pressure and unaccountable role.

[WaspInWales]

Is it me or is Shearer bigging himself up for the England job?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37529523

Why does the next England coach need to be English? I would've thought being successful would be at the top of the list. Nationality isn't high on the list of criteria for me.

The last 3 English coaches have turned out to be as effective as a chocolate tea-pot. This is ignoring Big Sam's 100% record and his stellar career prior to becoming England coach, plus the 3 other one match or short term wonders. All of whom have been shit too.

He's been saying little bits such as this ever since Hodgson got the push. His other favourite is to say that top Eng internationals should be far more involved. Ferdinand has being saying similar. If we followed their reasoning G Neville would be in the job and we all know how successful his managerial and coaching career as been so far. If these ex-internationals want to manage England, then how about they actually go out and coach a few clubs and work their way to the top rather than sit in a studio and earn a fortune for a low pressure and unaccountable role.

This.

Shearer keeps going on about getting his coaching badges but he still isn't a coach!

[Stom]

Is it me or is Shearer bigging himself up for the England job?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37529523

Why does the next England coach need to be English? I would've thought being successful would be at the top of the list. Nationality isn't high on the list of criteria for me.

The last 3 English coaches have turned out to be as effective as a chocolate tea-pot. This is ignoring Big Sam's 100% record and his stellar career prior to becoming England coach, plus the 3 other one match or short term wonders. All of whom have been shit too.

He's been saying little bits such as this ever since Hodgson got the push. His other favourite is to say that top Eng internationals should be far more involved. Ferdinand has being saying similar. If we followed their reasoning G Neville would be in the job and we all know how successful his managerial and coaching career as been so far. If these ex-internationals want to manage England, then how about they actually go out and coach a few clubs and work their way to the top rather than sit in a studio and earn a fortune for a low pressure and unaccountable role.

I'm not sure that's completely fair. I mean, just look at the utter mess Valencia are in now...His replacement was officially their worst ever manager.

Honestly, though, I'd appoint as far away from recent England internationals as possible. So going English, I'd have Howe or Dyche. Otherwise, someone who's not coached Rooney.

Say Pochettino