Trump

[WaspInWales]

Impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful, southern border wall downgraded to fence

[Digby]

But I do care about what America does to the Middle East.

Which is fair, that you then ignore what Russia and the Middle East do to the Middle East remains odd.

[rowan]

It's very odd that you have that perception of Russia, Digby. They would be way, way behind not only America, but also Israel, the UK, France & Saudi in this regard, and in Syria they are at least on the side of the elected government, and against the rebels/terrorists. Oh, collateral damage, I hear you cry. & I suppose you think there hasn't been any in Iraq over the last week or two, just because the mainstream media is refusing to report most of it. & if civilian casualties in the fight against terrorism were the yardstick, Israel would have to be the most evil of them all (by its own version of events, because the reality is even worse). Yet Obomber just rewarded them with an unprecedented 38 billion dollar 'aid' package. So we really are looking at the extreme hypocrisy when it comes to demonizing Russia. & the mainstream media gets away with that because generations of Westerners have been conditioned for it by a lifetime of brainwashing.

[Digby]

It's not an elected government in Syria, no more than Saddam was truly elected in Iraq. And the Russians are there for the oil the same as the US.

[rowan]

The Syrian government was indeed elected, however farcical the election may have been. We had a farcical election here. Nobody's pushing for regime change. There are US-puppets running Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine, as well as the Ukraine. There's a dictator in Egypt and an Apartheid regime in Israel - both of which receive billions in 'aid' from America - and a monocracy in Saudi, which sponsors both ISIS and the Clinton Foundation.

& if Russia was in Syria for the oil, how is it they are fighting with the government, not to depose it? Why weren't they there before NATO et al sent the rebels and terrorists in? The relationship between Damascus and Moscow was in fact initiated by the former after an ultimately unsuccessful coup orchestrated by the same crowd of CIA agents who succeeded in overthrowing Iran's first democratic leader a few years later and returning the brutal Shah.

So, aside from coming to the aid of its long-time ally Syria in the fight against rebels and terrorists, where else has Russia been involved in the Middle East lately? Are you going to hark back to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan? Did you know that in the 1970s Afghanistan had a progressive socialist government with full rights for women, but Washington brought in the Mujahideen to destabilize it and bring about regime change. That's when Moscow got involved. & 4 decades and multiple wars and regime changes later you still haven't figured out how all this works . . .

[WaspInWales]

The pudding's in the proof.

[morepork]

It's no accident that American wars don't end. The countries they are invading on whatever pretext are effectively being colonized. The big winnners are the arms dealers and military industrial complex. That is there and plain to see. American president after president has continued this, regardless of campaign pledges, because foreign policy is being dictated by Wall Street. Clinton, in fact, didn't even deny her intentions to continue it and her plans for Syria were both arrogant and dangerous. It was always going to require a radical outsider to come along and buck the trend. & this is the reason I prefer Trump over Clinton. I don't care what he does to America. They deserve whatever they get. But I do care about what America does to the Middle East and the rest of the world.

I care you thundercunt.

[Digby]

Luckily I've seen Rambo 3 and thus know all about Soviet involvement in Afghanistan

[belgarion]

It's no accident that American wars don't end. The countries they are invading on whatever pretext are effectively being colonized. The big winnners are the arms dealers and military industrial complex. That is there and plain to see. American president after president has continued this, regardless of campaign pledges, because foreign policy is being dictated by Wall Street. Clinton, in fact, didn't even deny her intentions to continue it and her plans for Syria were both arrogant and dangerous. It was always going to require a radical outsider to come along and buck the trend. & this is the reason I prefer Trump over Clinton. I don't care what he does to America. They deserve whatever they get. But I do care about what America does to the Middle East and the rest of the world.

Amirican revoloutinary war ended in 1783, American Civil War ended 1865, Sanish American war ended 1898, War of 1812
ended 1814, Viietnam War 1975, Korean War 1953 (technically a ceasefire not a complete end to hostilities), WWI ended 1918
WWII ended 1945

[Vengeful Glutton]

[gthedog]

Epic

[Coco]

Impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful, southern border wall downgraded to fence

Don't they already have one? And wasn't it a massive clusterfuck for the local residents?

No, most of the border is completely unfenced. In fact, in many parts it is just k-rail.

[Vengeful Glutton]

An interesting perspective on how Trump won.

Interesting

Indeed.

I wonder how many septics voted for Trump because they're fed up with celebs and media luvvies telling them who to vote for. Seems like it's a big FU to them too.

I see Trumpo has appointed Steve Bannon as his chief strategist.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11 ... and-why-i/

Meanwhile, the teenage esque hysteria continues unabated. Over here the mainstream media are collectively rending their vestments and rubbing ashes in their faces. Major panic over Corporation Tax rates too. All that sweet seppo green that has funded Oirish wastrels may be diverted back to Sam's place.

The sound of liberal tears plopping into skinny lattes is sweet music to my ears.

[Vengeful Glutton]

[morepork]

Don't they already have one? And wasn't it a massive clusterfuck for the local residents?

No, most of the border is completely unfenced. In fact, in many parts it is just k-rail.

Noted that you didn't deny the current fence was a massive clusterfuck for the local residents.

Not to mention wildlife. Such things are not entirely clear from 30 floors on the upper west side.

[kk67]

Oh yes, the US is apparently going to help a brutal minority government commit war crimes against its own people.

It might still be the best plan absent of a viable alternative. It's sure as hell not good news though

And in a nutshell you have the discussions that occur at US policy meetings.

[Coco]

Don't they already have one? And wasn't it a massive clusterfuck for the local residents?

No, most of the border is completely unfenced. In fact, in many parts it is just k-rail.

Noted that you didn't deny the current fence was a massive clusterfuck for the local residents.

Depends on where you live. Do you know where I live in relation to the southern border btw?

[Coco]

No, most of the border is completely unfenced. In fact, in many parts it is just k-rail.

Noted that you didn't deny the current fence was a massive clusterfuck for the local residents.

Not to mention wildlife. Such things are not entirely clear from 30 floors on the upper west side.

In California, wildlife concerns take precedence over other issues most of the time. Not sure about the other botder states. I've actually had a job shut down for 2 months for a certain bird mating season at the coast.

[J Dory]

Depends on where you live. Do you know where I live in relation to the southern border btw?

North of it?

[morepork]

Noted that you didn't deny the current fence was a massive clusterfuck for the local residents.

Not to mention wildlife. Such things are not entirely clear from 30 floors on the upper west side.

In California, wildlife concerns take precedence over other issues most of the time. Not sure about the other botder states. I've actually had a job shut down for 2 months for a certain bird mating season at the coast.

Yes, yes, entailed liberals etc etc.

[Coco]

Depends on where you live. Do you know where I live in relation to the southern border btw?

North of it?

Ba dum tish!

[Coco]

Not to mention wildlife. Such things are not entirely clear from 30 floors on the upper west side.

In California, wildlife concerns take precedence over other issues most of the time. Not sure about the other botder states. I've actually had a job shut down for 2 months for a certain bird mating season at the coast.

Yes, yes, entailed liberals etc etc.

I doubt the birds have a political affiliation.

[kk67]

In California, wildlife concerns take precedence over other issues most of the time. Not sure about the other botder states. I've actually had a job shut down for 2 months for a certain bird mating season at the coast.

Yes, yes, entailed liberals etc etc.

I doubt the birds have a political affiliation.

We consider they do

[Coco]

Yes, yes, entailed liberals etc etc.

I doubt the birds have a political affiliation.

We consider they do

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[kk67]

Try harder.