Trump

[Coco]

No, most of the border is completely unfenced. In fact, in many parts it is just k-rail.

Noted that you didn't deny the current fence was a massive clusterfuck for the local residents.

Not to mention wildlife. Such things are not entirely clear from 30 floors on the upper west side.

In California, wildlife concerns take precedence over other issues most of the time. Not sure about the other botder states. I've actually had a job shut down for 2 months for a certain bird mating season at the coast.

[J Dory]

Depends on where you live. Do you know where I live in relation to the southern border btw?

North of it?

[morepork]

Noted that you didn't deny the current fence was a massive clusterfuck for the local residents.

Not to mention wildlife. Such things are not entirely clear from 30 floors on the upper west side.

In California, wildlife concerns take precedence over other issues most of the time. Not sure about the other botder states. I've actually had a job shut down for 2 months for a certain bird mating season at the coast.

Yes, yes, entailed liberals etc etc.

[Coco]

Depends on where you live. Do you know where I live in relation to the southern border btw?

North of it?

Ba dum tish!

[Coco]

Not to mention wildlife. Such things are not entirely clear from 30 floors on the upper west side.

In California, wildlife concerns take precedence over other issues most of the time. Not sure about the other botder states. I've actually had a job shut down for 2 months for a certain bird mating season at the coast.

Yes, yes, entailed liberals etc etc.

I doubt the birds have a political affiliation.

[kk67]

In California, wildlife concerns take precedence over other issues most of the time. Not sure about the other botder states. I've actually had a job shut down for 2 months for a certain bird mating season at the coast.

Yes, yes, entailed liberals etc etc.

I doubt the birds have a political affiliation.

We consider they do

[Coco]

Yes, yes, entailed liberals etc etc.

I doubt the birds have a political affiliation.

We consider they do

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[kk67]

Try harder.

[WaspInWales]

In California, wildlife concerns take precedence over other issues most of the time. Not sure about the other botder states. I've actually had a job shut down for 2 months for a certain bird mating season at the coast.

Yes, yes, entailed liberals etc etc.

I doubt the birds have a political affiliation.

Some are left wing, some are right wing...others are ambidextrous

[Coco]

Yes, yes, entailed liberals etc etc.

I doubt the birds have a political affiliation.

Some are left wing, some are right wing...others are ambidextrous

God love ya Wasp... Im still giggling at this.

[Coco]

Try harder.

I need a nap.

[rowan]

Galloway hits the nail on the head again. If Trump follows through with his pledges on foreign policy it's going to bring about some very positive changes in the Middle East and hopefully reduce the bloodshed, while bringing some of the perpetrators to justice. If he doesnt, if he turns out to be another charlatan like Obama, then the time will be ripe for Europe and the rest of the international community to say "enough" - stop following America into senseless war after senseless war.

: http://georgegalloway.com/v2/?p=1056

As a non-American I was mostly concerned with the foreign policy of the two candidates. Obomber was a major disappointment to me. Clinton only promised more of the same. So how can Americans who claim to be concerned about human rights issues within the US be so indifferent to the deaths of thousands and suffering of millions caused by America's wars abroad? There is only one answer to that: cognitive dissonance; brought about by the brainwashing influences of the mass media and entertainment industries.

[Buggaluggs]

There is only one answer to that: cognitive dissonance; brought about by the brainwashing influences of the mass media and entertainment industries.

There's only one answer all the time for you. For everything that ever happened anywhere or ever will happen.

[rowan]

That people have been brainwashed by media propaganda into a state of cognitive dissonance, you mean? So what's your take on it? Why are the anti-Trump brigade so concerned about rights issues within the US but not concerned at all, evidently, about the rights of people in the Middle East? How do you explain that, Buggs?

[WaspInWales]

That people have been brainwashed by media propaganda into a state of cognitive dissonance, you mean? So what's your take on it? Why are the anti-Trump brigade so concerned about rights issues within the US but not concerned at all, evidently, about the rights of people in the Middle East? How do you explain that, Buggs?

Are you describing tribalism?

Why would the middle east be of concern to many Americans (or many others from around the world) who simply cannot connect with it in comparison to their daily lives? Naturally, some people might be moved by what is happening in the ME and may use their voice to protest or lobby against the actions. Some may just spend their days posting about it on forums in order to make themselves feel like a better person.

Why do some people tend to have blind faith for the local team or national team they support, even if it means it leaves them at odds and potential conflict, sometimes violently, with rivals? This can be applied to many sports, in many locations around the world; England-Wales, Tottenham-Arsenal, Barcelona-Real Madrid. I'm sure you've experienced the Galatasaray-Fenerbache rivalry. A lot of these people are from the same country, sometimes the same area but their tribalism makes it impossible to connect with others who support a different team. Beyond sport, there's culture, politics and many other aspects of life that some people just cannot deal with, or probably notice, any other experiences outside of their own little world.

[Digby]

Trump settles over Trump university, something he said in the campaign he wasn't inclined to do.

Still, at least he should've received the lego bricks by now that I sent to help build the wall

[WaspInWales]

Trump settles over Trump university, something he said in the campaign he wasn't inclined to do.

Still, at least he should've received the lego bricks by now that I sent to help build the wall

It depends on whether you sent him anything more taxing than 2x2 bricks?

[rowan]

Why would the middle east be of concern to many Americans (or many others from around the world) who simply cannot connect with it in comparison to their daily lives? Naturally, some people might be moved by what is happening in the ME and may use their voice to protest or lobby against the actions. Some may just spend their days posting about it on forums in order to make themselves feel like a better person.

Sorry, I thought forums were places to chat about things, and this one says 'Politics and stuff.' & doing so helps me to organize my thoughts and learn from what other people have written, even if I disagree with it. I've even gone on to write the occasional article for the press on the issue, which does make an impact. So the idea that I am only chatting about it here to make myself feel like a good person amounts to, once again, a shoot the messenger approach. In fact, I do care a great deal about the death and suffering in these countries, and not only because I am in close proximity to it all and see the faces of its victims begging for change in our streets every day. It's a humanitarian crisis on a colossal scale which every sentient human being should be concerned with. But even if I were only writing about it to make myself feel better, that's a lot better than remaining silent because you don't have a conscience. What you are saying is that Americans don't care about the deaths of thousands and suffering of millions because of their military's actions abroad because it's far away, which is like telling me the Germans shouldn't have cared when Hitler's army invaded the Soviet Union, or that the British shouldn't have cared with their soldiers set up concentration camps in Kenya. But, actually, you are right on this point. They don't care because it doesn't effect their daily lives and their media distorts it all. That's the cognitive dissonance, and its cause, that I was referring to.

[Digby]

Trump settles over Trump university, something he said in the campaign he wasn't inclined to do.

Still, at least he should've received the lego bricks by now that I sent to help build the wall

It depends on whether you sent him anything more taxing than 2x2 bricks?

I of course sent a range of block sizes, and in a nice range of colours too.

Just on Trump deciding to settle it does seem a little off that he's making executive decisions, I'd tend to hope he'd have placed his assets in a blind trust as the President Elect. Running a blind trust would be more awkward for Trump than many who've won the office, but it's not like he was forced to run. Yes it would seem there's no requirement for Trump to place his assets into a blind trust, but you'd hope he could raise his morals up to a gutter level as a bare minimum.

[WaspInWales]

Sorry, I thought forums were places to chat about things, and this one says 'Politics and stuff.' & doing so helps me to organize my thoughts and learn from what other people have written, even if I disagree with it. I've even gone on to write the occasional article for the press on the issue, which does make an impact. So the idea that I am only chatting about it here to make myself feel like a good person amounts to, once again, a shoot the messenger approach. In fact, I do care a great deal about the death and suffering in these countries, and not only because I am in close proximity to it all and see the faces of its victims begging for change in our streets every day. It's a humanitarian crisis on a colossal scale which every sentient human being should be concerned with. But even if I were only writing about it to make myself feel better, that's a lot better than remaining silent because you don't have a conscience. What you are saying is that Americans don't care about the deaths of thousands and suffering of millions because of their military's actions abroad because it's far away, which is like telling me the Germans shouldn't have cared when Hitler's army invaded the Soviet Union, or that the British shouldn't have cared with their soldiers set up concentration camps in Kenya. But, actually, you are right on this point. They don't care because it doesn't effect their daily lives and their media distorts it all. That's the cognitive dissonance, and its cause, that I was referring to.

Easy fella and no need to apologise.

[WaspInWales]

Trump settles over Trump university, something he said in the campaign he wasn't inclined to do.

Still, at least he should've received the lego bricks by now that I sent to help build the wall

It depends on whether you sent him anything more taxing than 2x2 bricks?

I of course sent a range of block sizes, and in a nice range of colours too.

Just on Trump deciding to settle it does seem a little off that he's making executive decisions, I'd tend to hope he'd have placed his assets in a blind trust as the President Elect. Running a blind trust would be more awkward for Trump than many who've won the office, but it's not like he was forced to run. Yes it would seem there's no requirement for Trump to place his assets into a blind trust, but you'd hope he could raise his morals up to a gutter level as a bare minimum.

I read that any law suits that were initiated against him before he takes office could see him having to go to court to contest as he will not be able to hide behind any immunity he will get as president, so it seems like a sensible option. I'm sure he will settle quite a few more in the next month or so and I imagine quite a few lawyers in the States are getting plenty of fresh claims right about now too!

Hasn't the orange one already gone on record saying he will hand over the running of his business to his kids and that he considers that a blind trust? The man is a fucking retard.

[Digby]

It depends on whether you sent him anything more taxing than 2x2 bricks?

I of course sent a range of block sizes, and in a nice range of colours too.

Just on Trump deciding to settle it does seem a little off that he's making executive decisions, I'd tend to hope he'd have placed his assets in a blind trust as the President Elect. Running a blind trust would be more awkward for Trump than many who've won the office, but it's not like he was forced to run. Yes it would seem there's no requirement for Trump to place his assets into a blind trust, but you'd hope he could raise his morals up to a gutter level as a bare minimum.

I read that any law suits that were initiated against him before he takes office could see him having to go to court to contest as he will not be able to hide behind any immunity he will get as president, so it seems like a sensible option. I'm sure he will settle quite a few more in the next month or so and I imagine quite a few lawyers in the States are getting plenty of fresh claims right about now too!

Hasn't the orange one already gone on record saying he will hand over the running of his business to his kids and that he considers that a blind trust? The man is a fucking retard.

I was assuming any cases would be handled by whoever runs his affairs whilst he's president, but that neither he (nor any family member) should have any oversight or decision making responsibility until his term as President is over. If he's summoned as a witness to discuss events prior to him winning the election that would seem different to ongoing executive decisions.

[Eugene Wrayburn]

It would seem that Americans think that raising money for charity through political connections is based but being able to use executive power to directly enrich yourself is dandy.

[Vengeful Glutton]

[rowan]