Trump

[Len]

A lot of money to be made off him if you know what company he is going to slate next on twitter.........

[morepork]

Or perhaps they don't just rely on anternative media for their information?

It's more reliable than the mainstream media, which helped bring about the genocide in Iraq. In fact, the war couldn't have happened without their government-sourced lies and propaganda.

Disagree. The alt media is more likely to publish without corroborating evidence - sometimes they strike lucky but MSM does at least try to fact check (normally) as they have a real fear of libel action.

And of course, there is a lot of information which never makes it into the public domain, which the intelligence officers can use to try and persuade Trump.

The media completely shat the bed on Iraq and you fucking know it.

[morepork]

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[WaspInWales]

It's got all the hallmarks of a smear campaign but considering the crap he has dished out to others, it is rather amusing watching his reactions every single time someone makes a comment about him.

[WaspInWales]

He is thicker than a short plank in a bucket of pig shit floating in an olympic swimming pool filled with donkey cum.

"Russia has never tried to use leverage over me"

What the fuck does that even mean you syphilitic transexual orangutan? Did you finish high school?

Twitter. The unmitigated fuckwit's platform of choice for informed dialogue between adults.

Twitter makes perfect sense for a guy like him. He doesn't use it for dialogue, well not in the traditional sense. It's very much a one-way dialogue for him. He posts crap and there it is in all its glory. I doubt very much if he reads the responses he gets on there as they are generally negative towards him.

[morepork]

Now he has removed all possibility of a conflict of interest by handing his bidness over to a blind trust. His sons.

Nice one.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38587628

[WaspInWales]

That was always his plan and he has said as much.

I really hope he is caught out running the business from the White House.

What does he have to do to be impeached? Would something like that count?

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[morepork]

It's not entirely clear to me. The President is, I think, exempt from most conflict of interest law, and it is not clear what sort of firewall is in place to rein that shit in should it materialise. A more acute issue may be his incoming cabinet, and more specifically, his fucking cunt kids.

[rowan]

Or perhaps they don't just rely on anternative media for their information?

It's more reliable than the mainstream media, which helped bring about the genocide in Iraq. In fact, the war couldn't have happened without their government-sourced lies and propaganda.

Disagree. The alt media is more likely to publish without corroborating evidence - sometimes they strike lucky but MSM does at least try to fact check (normally) as they have a real fear of libel action.

And of course, there is a lot of information which never makes it into the public domain, which the intelligence officers can use to try and persuade Trump.

Alternative media is a very broad field, ranging from the world's foremost political experts, including renowned authors, Pullitzer Prize-winning journalists and former high ranking politicians themselves, contributing to independent media and getting picked up by popular web site domains as well, right down to the tabloids, wacko web sites and Joe blogger, of course. But with the mainstream media you are guaranteed to hear precisely what the state wants you to hear, nothing more and nothing less. So you need to be selective, you need to look at both, as much as possible, and from different nations (and in different languages, if able) - and after a while the benefit of your own experience will guide your judgement. Then it's just a question of how honest with yourself you want to be.

[Digby]

Here's GoldenShowers doing the ice bucket challenge, and he doesn't quite react as though the water is ice cold, indeed one might almost think the 'water' to be warm -

[Len]

Just watched his press conference. This is going to be an awesome period of time whilst hes in the office.

He cares way too much about what people think of him. I'm fairly convinced he has some deep down phychological issues just judging by what he says and his body language. Neurotic as. And as always he bangs on about how great hes going to make everything and all the important people hes introduced to his following but he never backs anything up with facts, data or numbers.

Did you see how he compared his treatment by CNN to the Nazis? Lol. And then he completely refused to talk to them and dismissed them (like a Nazi)

Compete clown. Fantastic. I'm strapped in and can't wait to see what happens. I hope he tanks. For teh lulz.

[WaspInWales]

Just watched his press conference. This is going to be an awesome period of time whilst hes in the office.

He cares way too much about what people think of him. I'm fairly convinced he has some deep down phychological issues just judging by what he says and his body language. Neurotic as. And as always he bangs on about how great hes going to make everything and all the important people hes introduced to his following but he never backs anything up with facts, data or numbers.

Did you see how he compared his treatment by CNN to the Nazis? Lol. And then he completely refused to talk to them and dismissed them (like a Nazi)

Compete clown. Fantastic. I'm strapped in and can't wait to see what happens. I hope he tanks. For teh lulz.

Considering he has spent much of his 70 years surrounded by people telling him how great he is, it's hardly surprising how he reacts when facing criticism.

He may well have some psychological and personality issues too. He clearly rates himself as highly intelligent, good looking, a great, nay, the greatest businessman in the world, no doubt a great lover as well as being an all round good guy. As deluded as he is, it's extremely entertaining.

[morepork]

That press conference was a special needs master class. Referring to himself in the third person, rhetoric clouded by horrendously bad grammar, his little hands making sign language. His fuckwit offspring standing either side of him like lab rats. Profoundly unsophisticated. Sweet baby jesus. WWF is more credible. Buy the ticket. Take the ride. Len is right, enjoy the comedy.

[canta_brian]

That press conference was a special needs master class. Referring to himself in the third person, rhetoric clouded by horrendously bad grammar, his little hands making sign language. His fuckwit offspring standing either side of him like lab rats. Profoundly unsophisticated. Sweet baby jesus. WWF is more credible. Buy the ticket. Take the ride. Len is right, enjoy the comedy.

Unhinged was the word that leapt to mind for me.

[Sandydragon]

It's more reliable than the mainstream media, which helped bring about the genocide in Iraq. In fact, the war couldn't have happened without their government-sourced lies and propaganda.

Disagree. The alt media is more likely to publish without corroborating evidence - sometimes they strike lucky but MSM does at least try to fact check (normally) as they have a real fear of libel action.

And of course, there is a lot of information which never makes it into the public domain, which the intelligence officers can use to try and persuade Trump.

The media completely shat the bed on Iraq and you fucking know it.

And alt media has a record of getting it right every time? You don't have to look far to find complete distortions and downright lies which any basic editorial process would pick up on. Acting like Alt media is the only medium for getting the truth is a recipe for being completely deluded.

[Sandydragon]

It's got all the hallmarks of a smear campaign but considering the crap he has dished out to others, it is rather amusing watching his reactions every single time someone makes a comment about him.

Quite. Sympathy is lacking, particularly when one recalls his involvement in the Birther campaign.

[Sandydragon]

It's more reliable than the mainstream media, which helped bring about the genocide in Iraq. In fact, the war couldn't have happened without their government-sourced lies and propaganda.

Disagree. The alt media is more likely to publish without corroborating evidence - sometimes they strike lucky but MSM does at least try to fact check (normally) as they have a real fear of libel action.

And of course, there is a lot of information which never makes it into the public domain, which the intelligence officers can use to try and persuade Trump.

Alternative media is a very broad field, ranging from the world's foremost political experts, including renowned authors, Pullitzer Prize-winning journalists and former high ranking politicians themselves, contributing to independent media and getting picked up by popular web site domains as well, right down to the tabloids, wacko web sites and Joe blogger, of course. But with the mainstream media you are guaranteed to hear precisely what the state wants you to hear, nothing more and nothing less. So you need to be selective, you need to look at both, as much as possible, and from different nations (and in different languages, if able) - and after a while the benefit of your own experience will guide your judgement. Then it's just a question of how honest with yourself you want to be.

Your last line is interesting. Much of the internet is an echo chamber.

[Sandydragon]

Just watched his press conference. This is going to be an awesome period of time whilst hes in the office.

He cares way too much about what people think of him. I'm fairly convinced he has some deep down phychological issues just judging by what he says and his body language. Neurotic as. And as always he bangs on about how great hes going to make everything and all the important people hes introduced to his following but he never backs anything up with facts, data or numbers.

Did you see how he compared his treatment by CNN to the Nazis? Lol. And then he completely refused to talk to them and dismissed them (like a Nazi)

Compete clown. Fantastic. I'm strapped in and can't wait to see what happens. I hope he tanks. For teh lulz.

Considering he has spent much of his 70 years surrounded by people telling him how great he is, it's hardly surprising how he reacts when facing criticism.

He may well have some psychological and personality issues too. He clearly rates himself as highly intelligent, good looking, a great, nay, the greatest businessman in the world, no doubt a great lover as well as being an all round good guy. As deluded as he is, it's extremely entertaining.

He has been completely isolated from any downside by inheriting tremendous wealth. As you say, he has been surrounded by sycophants for years, is it a surprise that he believes the BS they have been feeding him?

Im not sure whats worse. That somehow this massive orange bellend has managed to convince the republican party members that he was a stable candidate, and then the country at large. Or that the Democrats couldn't see off a challenge from such an obviously flawed candidate?

[Sandydragon]

That press conference was a special needs master class. Referring to himself in the third person, rhetoric clouded by horrendously bad grammar, his little hands making sign language. His fuckwit offspring standing either side of him like lab rats. Profoundly unsophisticated. Sweet baby jesus. WWF is more credible. Buy the ticket. Take the ride. Len is right, enjoy the comedy.

I wonder if any news outlet which paints him in a bad light will be compared to the Nazis and won't have their questions answered in the future? For someone who is so keen to dish out insults and abuse, he is remarkably thin skinned.

[WaspInWales]

Someone on the beeb made an interesting point about the political Henson playing a risking game attacking the people who make a living digging up dirt on people. It's a good point and I can't wait to see where it leads to.

As for him being thin skinned, it's like watching a playground meltdown every time. He just doesn't know how to be an adult. Thinking back to the live debates demonstrated that perfectly.

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[Sandydragon]

Someone on the beeb made an interesting point about the political Henson playing a risking game attacking the people who make a living digging up dirt on people. It's a good point and I can't wait to see where it leads to.

As for him being thin skinned, it's like watching a playground meltdown every time. He just doesn't know how to be an adult. Thinking back to the live debates demonstrated that perfectly.

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Any rational person could see at that point that he was incapable of being President. How disillusioned can people be to vote for that clown? Brexit was a kick for the establishment, but at least it was possible to put forward a semi-intellectual argument for life outside the EU (not that we got one in the campaign itself).

But Trump for President? How much do you need to hate Hillary for that to happen?

With regards to the intelligence community, I read elsewhere that he hasn't been receiving the daily briefings a president elect normally would. That is concerning. My only hope is that he has accidentally managed to pick some gifted people who he might listen to.

[Len]

A problem this now presents is they have used the leaked hooker scandal already, which has been bunned off as 'fake news'

Now what happens when there is something they can pin him on and he just buns that off as 'fake news' too.

[WaspInWales]

One can only hope that talk of video or audio evidence really exists...

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[Sandydragon]

A problem this now presents is they have used the leaked hooker scandal already, which has been bunned off as 'fake news'

Now what happens when there is something they can pin him on and he just buns that off as 'fake news' too.

Even if they had a video, how much would it hurt him? Given the past stories about his antics, I don't think it would damage his core support much.

The only thing that would lose him his support would be not doing what they elected him to do. SO give it 6 months and then reality will set in.

[Sandydragon]

A view from the Times

Things that seem too good to be true usually are. The dossier full of allegations about Donald Trump contains a detail so salacious and Caligulan that I found myself almost yelling “Let it be so, please God!” at the computer. When the desire for something to be true is that strong, you need to step back from yourself.

Indeed minutes after the Buzzfeed website published the 35-page dossier some anti-Trumpers suggested that Trump (and/or Russia) had himself leaked the false information so that his critics would be discredited when the allegations were eventually disproved. This conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theory could have graced the pages of a David Icke book or the fake news agenda of America’s Alex Jones Show.

But, as ever, most of those who should know better didn’t and social media was awash with people discussing the dossier as if it was established fact. Which was something they couldn’t possibly know.

After MH17 no one in their right mind trusts claims from Moscow
Of course, if Donald Trump and Russia really are the victims of an elaborate conspiracy theory then it couldn’t have happened to nicer guys. Trump himself ran hard for many months with the absurd “Obama isn’t really American” theory. This entailed him sending investigators to Hawaii to try and turn up material proving that Obama had been born elsewhere, despite his birth notice having been placed contemporaneously in local Honolulu newspapers. Think about that one . . . Trump was open to the idea that Obama was falsely declared to be American and that countless people were in on the plot. Take this Trump tweet from December 2013: “How amazing, the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama’s ‘birth certificate’ died in plane crash today. All others lived.” That either means Trump believes this unfortunate person was murdered by the Obamites or it means nothing at all.

The second pleasing irony is that Trump then lied about his previous espousal of this theory. Hillary had started it, he later said (she didn’t) and he had never believed it (except he gave every indication that he did). It is, regrettably, a simple statement of fact that Trump lies routinely and blatantly. So much so that we must assume that neither he nor we are supposed to care about what the actual truth is. We’re just supposed to admire the daring and the effrontery of it all. But that meant that when he tweeted “FAKE NEWS — A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!” we had no reason to believe him. A Trump denial is worthless. It has no currency.

The third irony is apparent in another tweet from Trump yesterday. “Russia just said the unverified report paid for by political opponents is ‘A COMPLETE AND TOTAL FABRICATION, UTTER NONSENSE.’ Very unfair!” But he is asking the reader to believe the same Russia that fabricated evidence of Ukrainian involvement in the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17, which killed 298 people. In fact it was a Russian-made surface-to-air missile that brought down the plane. After that no one in their right minds would trust any claim made by Moscow.

The Trump dossier is said to be part of a report sent to Congress by US intelligence agencies who have investigated Russian involvement in the presidential election. The agencies conclude that hackers, almost certainly acting with Kremlin approval, obtained material from the Democratic National Committee and passed it to Julian Assange and WikiLeaks. It certainly fits with the pattern of Russian activity in other countries, such as France, where politicians hostile to Russia are undermined to assist those who are friendlier.

When the director of US national intelligence published a declassified version of the report last week, it was backed by the NSA, the FBI and the CIA. But, as Russia’s news agency Tass observed, it did not “represent the opinion of the US intelligence community in general” and “the (voting) systems that are suspected to have come under attack were not employed in summarising election returns”. In other words, we didn’t do it and even if we did, it didn’t have an effect on the election result.

The old Russia wouldn’t have wanted Trump in the White House
It’s remarkable that the various populist insurgencies that have swept America and Europe have one thing in common: approbation for the man who has led Russia for nearly two decades. Nigel Farage likes him. Alex Salmond has expressed some admiration for him. Marine Le Pen courts him. Donald Trump has called him a great leader and very smart and has never, as far as I know, criticised him. But there are reasons why insurgents — particularly on the nationalist side of politics — might identify with a man who has “restored pride” to a nation that had previously lost it. And, after all, my enemy’s enemy often feels like my friend. There would be nothing untoward about any of that. It needn’t imply cash or dodgy favours.

That’s why in normal times I’d be inclined to see the Trump dossier as very suspicious. There is every reason to be sceptical when evaluating lurid claims about links between Donald Trump and the Russians, not least because the parties involved would know that they might be discovered. It would be an absurd risk, as the president-elect said at his press conference yesterday. And, as yet, this is merely the uncorroborated account of a supposed former MI6 officer talking to some anonymous Russian sources.

But these are not normal times — Russia has altered them. Russian internet troll factories are not a figment of a sci-fi writer’s imagination but are established fact. A strategy of disruption aimed at Europe and America is discernible and overrides any assumptions about great power behaviour.

The old post-Khrushchev Soviet Union, like the Chinese today, was risk-averse and preferred to operate according to certainties. It would have seen how extraordinarily dangerous it might be to provoke political chaos in powerful but essentially peaceable adversaries. Such a Russia wouldn’t have wanted to see Donald Trump in the White House.

Putin is not Gorbachev. Today all bets are off. If anyone ever argued that Hillary’s emails needed investigating, then they’ll have to scream for a special inquiry into Trump’s links with Russia. And then let the chips fall where they may.