rowan wrote:& what does the Economist have to say about America and the EU's staunched ally Saudi Arabia and its treatment of women?
& what does the Economist have to say about Afghanistan, where America enlisted the Mujahideen to destroy the Socialist government and women's rights with it?
& what does the Economist have to say about the sexist attitude of ultraorthodox Israeli Jews toward women?
& what does the Economist have to say about bombing countries for oil and killing countless multitudes of their women?
rowan wrote:& what does the Economist have to say about America and the EU's staunched ally Saudi Arabia and its treatment of women?
& what does the Economist have to say about Afghanistan, where America enlisted the Mujahideen to destroy the Socialist government and women's rights with it?
& what does the Economist have to say about the sexist attitude of ultraorthodox Israeli Jews toward women?
& what does the Economist have to say about bombing countries for oil and killing countless multitudes of their women?
7th Dan level whataboutery.
Respect.
In keeping with the theme of the thread
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
rowan wrote:& what does the Economist have to say about America and the EU's staunched ally Saudi Arabia and its treatment of women?
& what does the Economist have to say about Afghanistan, where America enlisted the Mujahideen to destroy the Socialist government and women's rights with it?
& what does the Economist have to say about the sexist attitude of ultraorthodox Israeli Jews toward women?
& what does the Economist have to say about bombing countries for oil and killing countless multitudes of their women?
7th Dan level whataboutery.
Respect.
In keeping with the theme of the thread
Sadly, it's an intellectually bankrupt position to take. Basically you are saying that social regression in a country that considers itself a modern first world country is excusable because of the attitudes of medieval theocracies.
It's a crap move to make the situation for those at risk of violence, but whilst it's a fine country in many ways its leaders have some appalling morals.
Stones of granite wrote:
7th Dan level whataboutery.
Respect.
In keeping with the theme of the thread
Sadly, it's an intellectually bankrupt position to take. Basically you are saying that social regression in a country that considers itself a modern first world country is excusable because of the attitudes of medieval theocracies.
But do carry on.
America is a medieval theocracy?
My response was in keeping with the theme of this thread, in case you didn't notice the subject title...
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
rowan wrote:
In keeping with the theme of the thread
Sadly, it's an intellectually bankrupt position to take. Basically you are saying that social regression in a country that considers itself a modern first world country is excusable because of the attitudes of medieval theocracies.
But do carry on.
America is a medieval theocracy?
My response was in keeping with the theme of this thread, in case you didn't notice the subject title...
Nothing bad that happens in Russia is allowed to be reported because worse things happen elsewhere.
I'm sure Erdogan will have a job for you if you interested.
Stones of granite wrote:
Sadly, it's an intellectually bankrupt position to take. Basically you are saying that social regression in a country that considers itself a modern first world country is excusable because of the attitudes of medieval theocracies.
But do carry on.
America is a medieval theocracy?
My response was in keeping with the theme of this thread, in case you didn't notice the subject title...
Nothing bad that happens in Russia is allowed to be reported because worse things happen elsewhere.
I'm sure Erdogan will have a job for you if you interested.
Of course you can criticise Russia. But I'm guessing from the subject title this thread wasn't set up for that purpose. It was set up for discussion on anti-Russian rhetoric, hence the tone of my responses - to anti-Russian rhetoric.
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
"According to official Russian government statistics that undoubtedly under-report the situation, a massive 40 percent of all violent crimes are committed within the family. This correlates to 36,000 women being beaten by their partners every day and 26,000 children being assaulted by their parents every year.
Larisa Ponarina, deputy director of the Anna Center, an NGO helping victims of domestic violence, suggests that more than 14,000 women die every year as a result of domestic abuse."
canta_brian wrote:"According to official Russian government statistics that undoubtedly under-report the situation, a massive 40 percent of all violent crimes are committed within the family. This correlates to 36,000 women being beaten by their partners every day and 26,000 children being assaulted by their parents every year.
Larisa Ponarina, deputy director of the Anna Center, an NGO helping victims of domestic violence, suggests that more than 14,000 women die every year as a result of domestic abuse."
Yes, this only happens in Russia. There is absolutely no violence against women in the West at all, for instance. Zero.
Also, it is interesting that statistics on children never actually point out that the vast majority of offenders are women (mothers), thereby giving the misleading impression this is also a predominantly male crime when the reverse more often applies.
This is the kind of bullshit children in the West are brainwashed with from the day they are born ...
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
canta_brian wrote:"According to official Russian government statistics that undoubtedly under-report the situation, a massive 40 percent of all violent crimes are committed within the family. This correlates to 36,000 women being beaten by their partners every day and 26,000 children being assaulted by their parents every year.
Larisa Ponarina, deputy director of the Anna Center, an NGO helping victims of domestic violence, suggests that more than 14,000 women die every year as a result of domestic abuse."
Yes, this only happens in Russia. There is absolutely no violence against women in the West at all, for instance. Zero.
Yes, that is exactly the point being made here.
rowan wrote:Also, it is interesting that statistics on children never actually point out that the vast majority of offenders are women (mothers), thereby giving the misleading impression this is also a predominantly male crime when the reverse more often applies.
This is the kind of bullshit children in the West are brainwashed with from the day they are born ...
Fuck off with this MRA bullshit.
I'm a god
How can you kill a god?
Shame on you, sweet Nerevar
canta_brian wrote:"According to official Russian government statistics that undoubtedly under-report the situation, a massive 40 percent of all violent crimes are committed within the family. This correlates to 36,000 women being beaten by their partners every day and 26,000 children being assaulted by their parents every year.
Larisa Ponarina, deputy director of the Anna Center, an NGO helping victims of domestic violence, suggests that more than 14,000 women die every year as a result of domestic abuse."
Yes, this only happens in Russia. There is absolutely no violence against women in the West at all, for instance. Zero.
Also, it is interesting that statistics on children never actually point out that the vast majority of offenders are women (mothers), thereby giving the misleading impression this is also a predominantly male crime when the reverse more often applies.
This is the kind of bullshit children in the West are brainwashed with from the day they are born ...
The 'West' isn't thinking about making it legal though bro.
canta_brian wrote:"According to official Russian government statistics that undoubtedly under-report the situation, a massive 40 percent of all violent crimes are committed within the family. This correlates to 36,000 women being beaten by their partners every day and 26,000 children being assaulted by their parents every year.
Larisa Ponarina, deputy director of the Anna Center, an NGO helping victims of domestic violence, suggests that more than 14,000 women die every year as a result of domestic abuse."
Yes, this only happens in Russia. There is absolutely no violence against women in the West at all, for instance. Zero.
Also, it is interesting that statistics on children never actually point out that the vast majority of offenders are women (mothers), thereby giving the misleading impression this is also a predominantly male crime when the reverse more often applies.
This is the kind of bullshit children in the West are brainwashed with from the day they are born ...
The 'West' isn't thinking about making it legal though bro.
NATO member and staunched ally Turkey very nearly legalized rape and marriage of minors, however, before a public outcry forced them to backtrack on it...
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
rowan wrote:
Yes, this only happens in Russia. There is absolutely no violence against women in the West at all, for instance. Zero.
Also, it is interesting that statistics on children never actually point out that the vast majority of offenders are women (mothers), thereby giving the misleading impression this is also a predominantly male crime when the reverse more often applies.
This is the kind of bullshit children in the West are brainwashed with from the day they are born ...
The 'West' isn't thinking about making it legal though bro.
NATO member and staunched ally Turkey very nearly legalized rape and marriage of minors, however, before a public outcry forced them to backtrack on it...
And Turkey isn't quite the west. Sometimes Turkey edges toward the west, though this isn't one of those times, but it straddles the divide from west to east in the main.
Always nice to see Rowan talking on the subject of abuse towards women whilst using a former girlfriend's name as a nom du plume in a weird (creepy?) passive aggressive manner
Digby wrote:And Turkey isn't quite the west. Sometimes Turkey edges toward the west, though this isn't one of those times, but it straddles the divide from west to east in the main.
Always nice to see Rowan talking on the subject of abuse towards women whilst using a former girlfriend's name as a nom du plume in a weird (creepy?) passive aggressive manner
Agreed. Turkey isn't remotely the West, regardless what it thinks. It doesn't even edge toward the West and right now is moving away from it at the speed of light.
Meanwhile, I am merely drawing your collection attention to the fact that this is thread about anti-Russian rhetoric, which is all you're collectively spouting. & I've never dated anyone calle Rowan, sorry to disappoint your weird and creepy imagination for you ...
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
rowan wrote:
Yes, this only happens in Russia. There is absolutely no violence against women in the West at all, for instance. Zero.
Also, it is interesting that statistics on children never actually point out that the vast majority of offenders are women (mothers), thereby giving the misleading impression this is also a predominantly male crime when the reverse more often applies.
This is the kind of bullshit children in the West are brainwashed with from the day they are born ...
The 'West' isn't thinking about making it legal though bro.
NATO member and staunched ally Turkey very nearly legalized rape and marriage of minors, however, before a public outcry forced them to backtrack on it...
Listen you fecking eejit, Turkey backed down on passing the law after a public outcry, as you say, however if there was a
public outcry against this domestic abuse law in Russia, Putin & co would just ignore it & enact the law anyway. Erdogan may be
a bit of bastard but he still has some bit of a conscience.
You simply don't understand Turkish politics, society or culture. Erdogan's career has been a long series of defiances. When he wanted to appoint Gul as his president the army said 'no,' so Erdogan arranged a party election and Gul became his president anyway. When he wanted to change the constitution his party lost support and failed to win the majority required. ISIS then bombed a couple of peace rallies, slaughtering many young Kurds (mostly female at one), then the right wing nationalists went on the rampage, and in the re-run election Erdogan's party got its majority and is on the point of changing the constitution after all. So the fact they had to backtrack on basically legalizing rape and marriage to minors was purely academic. They'll get their way in the end, as always. & the practice remains widespread in the east of the country, so don't be surprised - at all - if the proposal resurfaces once the constitution has been changed and the presidency is transformed into a supreme authority.
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
Not yet. I've already explained that to you. The initial decision taken means nothing in this country, neither in terms of its implementation nor the context of future developments.
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
cashead wrote:So that's a "no," then. Not quite like Russia decriminalising domestic violence at all then, is it?
Ok, so start a thread about that. This one, so far as I can tell, was set up to address the issue of Russophobia - not to add to it. I think that's the part you're missing here. I have challenged these criticisms of Russia in accordance with what I perceive to be the theme of the thread; not because I think Russia is beyond reproach.
If they're good enough to play at World Cups, why not in between?
