So...what have you learned?

[Numbers]

I remain in favour of taser boots, then any player who creeps over such as the offside line can spend the next 2-3 minutes recovering after being left twitching on the ground.

Though I suspect some will favour the idea of using the GPS data which already exists to feed info to the officials as to whether players are offside, maybe just a beep on the earpiece. And really that's not too hard to do between using the GPS data and the latest camera technology, even if electrocuting cheats has quite some appeal.

For that to work you would need a virtual offside line set at each ruck so not really a workable idea unfortunately, I like the taser idea.

[Digby]

I remain in favour of taser boots, then any player who creeps over such as the offside line can spend the next 2-3 minutes recovering after being left twitching on the ground.

Though I suspect some will favour the idea of using the GPS data which already exists to feed info to the officials as to whether players are offside, maybe just a beep on the earpiece. And really that's not too hard to do between using the GPS data and the latest camera technology, even if electrocuting cheats has quite some appeal.

For that to work you would need a virtual offside line set at each ruck so not really a workable idea unfortunately, I like the taser idea.

The virtual offside line at every instance an offside is formed isn't unworkable if the cameras are in the right place. There's no new tech needed to get this up and running, though someone is going to have to invest in a certain amount of development

[Numbers]

I remain in favour of taser boots, then any player who creeps over such as the offside line can spend the next 2-3 minutes recovering after being left twitching on the ground.

Though I suspect some will favour the idea of using the GPS data which already exists to feed info to the officials as to whether players are offside, maybe just a beep on the earpiece. And really that's not too hard to do between using the GPS data and the latest camera technology, even if electrocuting cheats has quite some appeal.

For that to work you would need a virtual offside line set at each ruck so not really a workable idea unfortunately, I like the taser idea.

The virtual offside line at every instance an offside is formed isn't unworkable if the cameras are in the right place. There's no new tech needed to get this up and running, though someone is going to have to invest in a certain amount of development

Someone would have to manually set the offside line, the camera would not be able to discern the offside line so that's why I would imagine it would be unworkable. What technology do you think can be used to set the offside line as I am unaware of anything that could do this, I understand your point re: gps but that doesn't tell you where someone's feet are in a ruck if they are prone.

I don't think there is any way this could work and as already stated that's what the linesmen are for.

[Digby]

For that to work you would need a virtual offside line set at each ruck so not really a workable idea unfortunately, I like the taser idea.

The virtual offside line at every instance an offside is formed isn't unworkable if the cameras are in the right place. There's no new tech needed to get this up and running, though someone is going to have to invest in a certain amount of development

Someone would have to manually set the offside line, the camera would not be able to discern the offside line so that's why I would imagine it would be unworkable. What technology do you think can be used to set the offside line as I am unaware of anything that could do this, I understand your point re: gps but that doesn't tell you where someone's feet are in a ruck if they are prone.

I don't think there is any way this could work and as already stated that's what the linesmen are for.

I don't see any reason one couldn't automate this so the line wouldn't need to be manually set, and instead the software would constantly review. And that doesn't have to mean anyone is pinged, it'd just mean the ref would be advised someone was stood offside. And if the refs wanted they could have info ahead of the game on those players who tend to cheat.

There might be situations where the ball wasn't visible, and if the ball couldn't be tracked the system would just be getting less input and might go dark for a moment or two, though maybe even the ball could always be tracked. Certainly we could teach a programme what a ruck, maul, tackle, ahead of the kicker all looked like, and give strong indicators for what the back foot and people on their feet look like. Tbh we could even start to refine it so the programme would be able to understand in many instances if a player was offisde but not impacting play. And again this wouldn't be seeking to ping players, but just to give more info to the refs, because right now the refs and touch judges aren't getting it done.

Edit- I'm not supposing btw we rely on TV coverage, I'm assuming a number of fixed in place cameras all providing constant feedback alongside the GPS data. So there would be some one off costs at every ground, and this wouldn't then be in place below the pro game

[ALunpg]

Sorry to be late with reply. ..Taser boots. .yeah..bring it on.
I agree with many others in reality if your officials are there to get it right then the touch judge should be telling the ref..or make it more attack favourable .. there must be a clear gap behind the contact point.

As to the passing I totally agree with the point that there is too much over running by the outside players not keeping their depth.

Without standing there watching what they do in training I can't tell the cause whether it is alignment or delayed passes to try and hold the defender which messed the timing... but they are not thinking on their feet enough.

My major point is that to pass the ball behind the attacker so they have to reach behind their backs or around their ears is not normally miss timing it is just poor execution or just poor technique...and honestly for professional players ... sometimes it is dire.

[ALunpg]

Well I saw a referee in the Stormers match today..award quite a few penalties for offside at the ruck for defending players infringing around the ruck and centres encroaching. ..
Plus he awarded a penalty for a 6 sliding up to.make 4 people in the front row..really good stuff to finally see an official taking this on board.

[Sandydragon]

Well I saw a referee in the Stormers match today..award quite a few penalties for offside at the ruck for defending players infringing around the ruck and centres encroaching. ..
Plus he awarded a penalty for a 6 sliding up to.make 4 people in the front row..really good stuff to finally see an official taking this on board.

That does make a change. A crackdown on feeding would be nice....