only him and Lawes are doing anything up front. desperate defenceTigersman wrote:Suspect Ludlam might not have wanted to start this game..............
Sarries vs Saints - Ludlam starts!?!
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i'm not saying he is having a bad game just not the sort of score you would want to have for starting debut. Esp as an academy lad.Banquo wrote:only him and Lawes are doing anything up front. desperate defenceTigersman wrote:Suspect Ludlam might not have wanted to start this game..............
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It'd be great if Koch was English.
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Great decision to take Collins off...
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Brits is completely irreplaceable for Sarries. What a player.
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upside is that he is showing up well compared to his more established team mates.Tigersman wrote:i'm not saying he is having a bad game just not the sort of score you would want to have for starting debut. Esp as an academy lad.Banquo wrote:only him and Lawes are doing anything up front. desperate defenceTigersman wrote:Suspect Ludlam might not have wanted to start this game..............
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looked like he was crocked to meAdam_P wrote:Great decision to take Collins off...
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Saints looking ok with the ball when they hang onto it. Defence is just shocking...Mallinder is just one of many liabilities
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to think Saints had a chance to sign Ackermann (well from what i heard on the grapevine).
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I'd take Tom Collins with cramp over a sluggish old man FodenBanquo wrote:looked like he was crocked to meAdam_P wrote:Great decision to take Collins off...
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I also heard this and it's a shocking decision not to take him on boardTigersman wrote:to think Saints had a chance to sign Ackermann (well from what i heard on the grapevine).
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Saints will likely win the second half in fairness and prob get a bp
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Foden seems to be trying harder than others on his team, though Collins was lively when on. But yes, some freshness is needed in Saints outside backs.Adam_P wrote:I'd take Tom Collins with cramp over a sluggish old man FodenBanquo wrote:looked like he was crocked to meAdam_P wrote:Great decision to take Collins off...
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Surprised they didn't really. Mallinder and West have stagnated for a bit now.Adam_P wrote:I also heard this and it's a shocking decision not to take him on boardTigersman wrote:to think Saints had a chance to sign Ackermann (well from what i heard on the grapevine).
Have to say i'm not a fan of how Cohen operates but he made a brave call to sack Cockers and Mauger when he did IMO the right call.
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Burrell and Mallinder in the centres isn't going to worry anyone, frankly.
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12 francis
13 Mallinder
Might be interesting.
They need to sign Bigger IMO.
13 Mallinder
Might be interesting.
They need to sign Bigger IMO.
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I just don't see Mallinder as a 13. Especially when Horne and Stephenson are in the squad. He is a clear 12 to me.
10. Francis
12. Mallinder/Stephenson
13. Horne
10. Francis
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I'm dubious about Mallinder anywhere at present, his defence is crap. He's a 12 if anything, but not if he doesn't both grow a pair and stop planting his feet.
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When Burrell is the other option at 12 his defence doesn't need to be great
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well when you put it like that....but his defence isn't just 'not great', its appalling.Adam_P wrote:When Burrell is the other option at 12 his defence doesn't need to be great
its curious that Burrell actually had a decent season for England once; and that was at 13.
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Burrell used to be quite decent for Saints too, I don't know what has happened but he has forgotten how to catch, carry, retain ball, run lines, etc.
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confidence shot somewhere along the line. I thought for a while he was going to be a decent boshing option- he started passing quite well, but that's all bu55ered off. Saints backs have been poor for too long now.Adam_P wrote:Burrell used to be quite decent for Saints too, I don't know what has happened but he has forgotten how to catch, carry, retain ball, run lines, etc.
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Is Stepehnson fit yet?Adam_P wrote:I just don't see Mallinder as a 13. Especially when Horne and Stephenson are in the squad. He is a clear 12 to me.
10. Francis
12. Mallinder/Stephenson
13. Horne
Hell of a talent but has terrible luck.
Hutchinson should also get a look in IMO.
Horne IMO is a better wing.
What about Mallinder at 15? he's quick and has a big boot if he can develop the technical stuff he could prove a handy 15.
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I liked Stephenson a lot from his first game.Tigersman wrote:Is Stepehnson fit yet?Adam_P wrote:I just don't see Mallinder as a 13. Especially when Horne and Stephenson are in the squad. He is a clear 12 to me.
10. Francis
12. Mallinder/Stephenson
13. Horne
Hell of a talent but has terrible luck.
Hutchinson should also get a look in IMO.
Horne IMO is a better wing.
What about Mallinder at 15? he's quick and has a big boot if he can develop the technical stuff he could prove a handy 15.
I fear Mallinder is just too lanky, which sounds a bit odd, but there you go - and although 15's don't have to do as much last ditch work as bygone days, you'd still want someone who seems a bit more courageous back there. I may be being hugely unfair, but he lacks physical commitment as it stands.
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I'd like my 15 to be defensively solid, like Foden