There was a chap interview on Radio 4 a week or so back, so likely Today or PM, and he thought we were already out having voted to leave, so he'll be cross. But other than for people that stupid it's barely news.
There was a chap interview on Radio 4 a week or so back, so likely Today or PM, and he thought we were already out having voted to leave, so he'll be cross. But other than for people that stupid it's barely news.
The only thing that's interesting about this is that they are sitting 11 judges on the appeal. I've never seen that before. The most that I can recall is 7.
I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.
There was a chap interview on Radio 4 a week or so back, so likely Today or PM, and he thought we were already out having voted to leave, so he'll be cross. But other than for people that stupid it's barely news.
The only thing that's interesting about this is that they are sitting 11 judges on the appeal. I've never seen that before. The most that I can recall is 7.
Presumably that's to avoid any suggestion that a differently constituted bench would have reached a different result. You hope they will have the good sense to issue a single judgment and no dissent.
I'm pretty sure a case of mine was the last to have 5 judges in the NZ Court of Appeal, which has otherwise sat as benches of 3 only since we ditched the Privy Council and set up our own Supreme Court.
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There was a chap interview on Radio 4 a week or so back, so likely Today or PM, and he thought we were already out having voted to leave, so he'll be cross. But other than for people that stupid it's barely news.
I agree, but it's amazing how many people there are that are that stupid.
Len wrote:May to give a speech on Tuesday where she is expected to announce the UK is leaving the single market.............
Bit inevitable really. Given the importance that immigration played in the referendum, followed fairly closely by the money paid to the EU, trying to get a solution which didn't control immigration or significantly reduce the amount paid to the EU was likely to flounder. In addition, negotiating anything in two years is crazily optimistic.
Now standby for more legal challenges and full scale rebellion in parliament.
Len wrote:May to give a speech on Tuesday where she is expected to announce the UK is leaving the single market.............
Bit inevitable really. Given the importance that immigration played in the referendum, followed fairly closely by the money paid to the EU, trying to get a solution which didn't control immigration or significantly reduce the amount paid to the EU was likely to flounder. In addition, negotiating anything in two years is crazily optimistic.
Now standby for more legal challenges and full scale rebellion in parliament.
Fun times ahead. Going to sit back and point and laugh
Adder wrote:Labour has been appalling during this whole process. What an implosion!!! If ever an opposition's voice neaded to be heard.
Not easy when 85% of the mainstream media are controlled by right wing oligarchs.
I don't think they imploded just because of the media. Another skidmark left by new Labour.
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Or it could be that they are playing a tune people don't want to listen to. New Labour died years ago, strange that they still get blamed for Labour incompetence.
Adder wrote:Labour has been appalling during this whole process. What an implosion!!! If ever an opposition's voice neaded to be heard.
Not easy when 85% of the mainstream media are controlled by right wing oligarchs.
Meh, Corbyn will get coverage of his speeches just because of his role, the problem is he goes silent for long periods, and when he does speak out has if not an inconsistent message then certainly a scattergun approach. Corbyn also tends to be vague and not have a coherent narrative for how he'd actually govern, and so we get no to trident but yes to building the subs which will be empty of the trident missiles they were designed to carry. In essence he's a bloke who rants in pub, not a leader on the national and international stage, and then of course he's further over to the left than most people are in what's essentially a centre right country and he either lacks the savy to realise appointing IRA staff to his team is a shite idea or he just doesn't care.
kk67 wrote:
Not easy when 85% of the mainstream media are controlled by right wing oligarchs.
I don't think they imploded just because of the media. Another skidmark left by new Labour.
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Or it could be that they are playing a tune people don't want to listen to. New Labour died years ago, strange that they still get blamed for Labour incompetence.
kk67 wrote:
Not easy when 85% of the mainstream media are controlled by right wing oligarchs.
I don't think they imploded just because of the media. Another skidmark left by new Labour.
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Or it could be that they are playing a tune people don't want to listen to. New Labour died years ago, strange that they still get blamed for Labour incompetence.
What the fuck are you on about? What do people want to listen to? You are happy with the slip and slide we are on currently?
Adder wrote:
I don't think they imploded just because of the media. Another skidmark left by new Labour.
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Or it could be that they are playing a tune people don't want to listen to. New Labour died years ago, strange that they still get blamed for Labour incompetence.
What the fuck are you on about? What do people want to listen to? You are happy with the slip and slide we are on currently?
What Im on bout is this failure by Corbyn and his supporters to realise that their message isn't appealing to wide sectors of the electorate. Blaming the media or New Labour is getting a bit tiresome. The Corbyn message and its delivery aren't appealing to voters - its really that simple.
As for where we are now, my view is things could be a lot worse, namely as a result of a Corbyn socialist government. The Conservatives need an opposition, but Corbyn is a laughing stock and he is dragging Labour down with him.
Adder wrote:
I don't think they imploded just because of the media. Another skidmark left by new Labour.
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Or it could be that they are playing a tune people don't want to listen to. New Labour died years ago, strange that they still get blamed for Labour incompetence.
Probably... can't say the have shone since.
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Bit confused - are you suggesting that getting rid of New Labour was a good or bad thing for the Labour party (notwithstanding its ability to win elections of course)?
Sandydragon wrote:
Or it could be that they are playing a tune people don't want to listen to. New Labour died years ago, strange that they still get blamed for Labour incompetence.
What the fuck are you on about? What do people want to listen to? You are happy with the slip and slide we are on currently?
What Im on bout is this failure by Corbyn and his supporters to realise that their message isn't appealing to wide sectors of the electorate. Blaming the media or New Labour is getting a bit tiresome. The Corbyn message and its delivery aren't appealing to voters - its really that simple.
As for where we are now, my view is things could be a lot worse, namely as a result of a Corbyn socialist government. The Conservatives need an opposition, but Corbyn is a laughing stock and he is dragging Labour down with him.
Is he really as rabid a socialist as is portrayed by the media? Even in NZ his name is a byword for loony lefties in statements that are dismissive of anything other than this mythical centrist ground. Note that there is very little adult debate about policy. How do you expect to have an effective opposition if the opposition is bludgeoned into this space?
There is certainly an opportunity for a well led centre left party to make real headway at the minute. Alas we have Labour who have committed the grave error of electing a leader who lacks the qualities required of someone in his position. He is so patently out of his depth, comes with such divisive baggage and limited appeal that the party has effectively nobbled itself.
You mean he's not good at personality politics..?.
Well the new world order seem to be very good at personality politics.....so we can all be optimistic now that the businessmen are off the leash.
I've never wanted politicians who are good on the telly. That's Kardashian Politics.
I want people who will police the political sphere. God help me but I want bureaucrats who will police the businessmen, the accountants..... and the political sphere.
You mean he's not good at personality politics..?.
Well the new world order seem to be very good at personality politics.....so we can all be optimistic now that the businessmen are off the leash.
I've never wanted politicians who are good on the telly. That's Kardashian Politics.
I want people who will police the political sphere. God help me but I want bureaucrats who will police the businessmen, the accountants..... and the political sphere.
Then at least you've got May, who's competent in her role as leader and poor on TV. As opposed to Jeremy who's incompetent in his role as leader and poor on TV. I wouldn't mind that so much if I didn't dislike May's policies so much, but it'd be daft to say it's about personality when May has only recently become the PM
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What the fuck are you on about? What do people want to listen to? You are happy with the slip and slide we are on currently?
What Im on bout is this failure by Corbyn and his supporters to realise that their message isn't appealing to wide sectors of the electorate. Blaming the media or New Labour is getting a bit tiresome. The Corbyn message and its delivery aren't appealing to voters - its really that simple.
As for where we are now, my view is things could be a lot worse, namely as a result of a Corbyn socialist government. The Conservatives need an opposition, but Corbyn is a laughing stock and he is dragging Labour down with him.
Is he really as rabid a socialist as is portrayed by the media? Even in NZ his name is a byword for loony lefties in statements that are dismissive of anything other than this mythical centrist ground. Note that there is very little adult debate about policy. How do you expect to have an effective opposition if the opposition is bludgeoned into this space?
Its a space that he has happily and actively moved into. By any definition, he is well to the left of any British government since the 1970s.
With regards to personality, I sympathise with the view that politics should be less about TV appeal and more about competence. But, a leader should be able to communicate effectively. Corbyn contradicts himself within the space of a day and his key subordinates often sing a different tune to his own. How is it an effective opposition that is looking to become a government when they cant even get a clear message out?
