fivepointer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:28 am
I dont think so. He's big but not a great technician in the scrum and doesnt offer an enormous amount in the loose.
At this level you can see big improvements one year to the next though. Ma'asi White couldn't catch a cold last season but has looked fantastic this season. Ehren Painter was seen as the bigger prospect to Joe Heyes back in 2018 starting the junior world cup final that year.
That being said Hoyt really does need to find a bit more in all facets. I'll be interested to see if he's more positive as an impact sub.
fivepointer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:28 am
I dont think so. He's big but not a great technician in the scrum and doesnt offer an enormous amount in the loose.
At this level you can see big improvements one year to the next though. Ma'asi White couldn't catch a cold last season but has looked fantastic this season. Ehren Painter was seen as the bigger prospect to Joe Heyes back in 2018 starting the junior world cup final that year.
That being said Hoyt really does need to find a bit more in all facets. I'll be interested to see if he's more positive as an impact sub.
Sure. But Hoyt did play u20 last year and doesnt seem to have progressed much. Plainly the coaches see a lot of potential there and it may take another season or two to see that starting to be fulfilled. He's a prop so time is on his side.
fivepointer wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:28 am
I dont think so. He's big but not a great technician in the scrum and doesnt offer an enormous amount in the loose.
At this level you can see big improvements one year to the next though. Ma'asi White couldn't catch a cold last season but has looked fantastic this season. Ehren Painter was seen as the bigger prospect to Joe Heyes back in 2018 starting the junior world cup final that year.
That being said Hoyt really does need to find a bit more in all facets. I'll be interested to see if he's more positive as an impact sub.
Sure. But Hoyt did play u20 last year and doesnt seem to have progressed much. Plainly the coaches see a lot of potential there and it may take another season or two to see that starting to be fulfilled. He's a prop so time is on his side.
He was only 18 last season when called up.
Clearly he's rated for something but it's not coming through to the pitch yet.
Puja wrote: ↑Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:05 am
I've not been hugely impressed by Hoyt from what I've seen of him so far. He's come through with a decent rep and his physical size is promising, but he doesn't seem to be very good at actually using that size, from everything I've seen so far. Fasogbon's looked much more handy, even while only being 18.
Am I missing something on Hoyt?
Puja
On a similar point, it seemed to on watching the France/Eng game that a lot of the Eng lads looked picked on size. The props and Maasi-White stand out. All huge but a real lack of skills/nouse compared to the (apparently) smaller France oppo.
Maasi-White in particular looked pretty clueless and ineffectual. Don't get the hype there at all.
Actually think we're playing pretty well. We're making good ground in attack and shown some nice touches. Set piece is rock solid. Cut out the turnovers and show a bit more composure and we'll be right in it.
What's the coaching point there on that red though?
He's gone low and wrapped. The player is running at speed and has whipped over the top of him. It's all momentum. It's split second stuff. Happens at real time not in slow motion. No one is keeping hold of him at that speed to let him down gently.
I've only just noticed that the Ireland player landed on his arse for that red. He seemed to get sent off because it looked spectacular. It just wasn't serious foul play for me by any definition.
Margin_Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:12 pm
I've only just noticed that the Ireland player landed on his arse for that red. He seemed to get sent off because it looked spectacular. It just wasn't serious foul play for me by any definition.
I think thats right. It looked a lot worse than it was. On another day with another ref thats a yellow. Cards followed by the Chessum non try took the wind out of our sails. The lads deserve credit for coming back and scoring a couple of tries.
Thought our front row had their best game, Chessum played well, the centres went well and Fisilau was excellent.
Te JWC is going to be interesting.
Margin_Walker wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 7:12 pm
I've only just noticed that the Ireland player landed on his arse for that red. He seemed to get sent off because it looked spectacular. It just wasn't serious foul play for me by any definition.
I think thats right. It looked a lot worse than it was. On another day with another ref thats a yellow. Cards followed by the Chessum non try took the wind out of our sails. The lads deserve credit for coming back and scoring a couple of tries.
Thought our front row had their best game, Chessum played well, the centres went well and Fisilau was excellent.
Te JWC is going to be interesting.
I reckoned we had them rattled a few times because it wasn't proving to be the expected walk over. But then the ref ensured that Ireland would win. Don't like moaning about the officials, but some of the decisions nowadays are farcical.
Hoping for some better refereeing in JWC. Would be nice if the senior side got a few ref breaks too.
It's interesting that the backline improved again with Woodward back fit. Wasn't sure how well he'd go at this level but seems to be like a duck to water. Could be a useful option for Tigers in the world cup period.
The RFU has appointed Mark Mapletoft as the new England U20 Men head coach after Alan Dickens concluded his role.
Mapletoft, who has been an assistant coach with England U18 Men since 2020, takes over as U20 head coach immediately.
FKAS wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 6:14 pm
Dickens is apparently heading to Tigers, interesting that it's happening before the world cup. I'd assumed he'd want to have a crack at that first.
Hmmpf. Not sure I'm thrilled about that - I don't know he's done a fantastic job with the U20s, although it has been a very challenging period. Is he going to a senior role, or with the academy?
FKAS wrote: ↑Mon May 22, 2023 6:14 pm
Dickens is apparently heading to Tigers, interesting that it's happening before the world cup. I'd assumed he'd want to have a crack at that first.
Hmmpf. Not sure I'm thrilled about that - I don't know he's done a fantastic job with the U20s, although it has been a very challenging period. Is he going to a senior role, or with the academy?
Puja
Rumoured to be the attack coach though I think his experience might be as a defence coach so he could do that and Everard might move to attack coach which he's done before at Wasps.
