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Len wrote:Similar to school shootings in the states, I wonder if the media stopped reporting on these issues if the rate of them would drop. Why do it if you're not going to get the recognition?

You'd have to shut down social media then.

OptimisticJock wrote:

Len wrote:Similar to school shootings in the states, I wonder if the media stopped reporting on these issues if the rate of them would drop. Why do it if you're not going to get the recognition?

You'd have to shut down social media then.

Win-win

Len wrote:Similar to school shootings in the states, I wonder if the media stopped reporting on these issues if the rate of them would drop. Why do it if you're not going to get the recognition?

There is an argument for this, although I understand why the media do report as they are in the business of providing news and not reporting something that is obviously a big issue in this country isn't going to help that business.

I agree that the response to this has been very measured and dignified. My absolute respect to those, especially family, who are keeping it so. If you cant stop the reporting, then highlighting that we will endure is a powerful message. Overreaction is what the terrorists want; not victimising an entire community or deploying disproportionate or badly targeted military power is a bad reaction to this and will simply encourage further attacks.

Sadly, the nature of these attacks means that further incidents are likely. Thankfully we don't have the same issues as mainland Europe with firearms, although there are enough illegal weapons about to make their use possible. The fact that so few attacks of this nature occur in the UK is a testament to the effectiveness of the security services and police, allied to the fact that the wider Muslim community doesn't want any part in terrorism.

What I do find interesting is the fact that the knifeman attacked Westminster, a place where there is a high profile armed police presence. He obviously wanted to get shot in the process, which leads me to suspect that his ultimate intention was martyrdom and to take a few victims with him, rather than concentrating on a mass casualty event. The planning behind this and execution points to a lone wolf type scenario.

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote:Another mad islamic muslim lunatic strikes again, mowing down innocent people and kids, how many more innocent people have to be mangled up and killed, before people wise up to these nutters, and this so called religion of peace.

You sad, dozy twat. This is exactly the response they're looking to generate.

Wise up, indeed.

Up yours you pc clown, fools like yourself and the media try to distance this type of attack from islam, but this radical lunatic would not have mowed down those pedestrians had the females been wearing hijabs and burkas, and the guys traditional islamic dress.
Sadiq Khan comes out with his by the book statement yesterday, but it wasn't long ago he stated that terrorist attacks are part and parcel of living in a big city and people should get used to it.

By your statement it seems you think people should not get pissed off and angry about this, what if it was your wife or kid that got run over, what would you say then?

Fuck off Lucan you tedious, redundant cunt.

Lord Lucan wrote:

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote:Another mad islamic muslim lunatic strikes again, mowing down innocent people and kids, how many more innocent people have to be mangled up and killed, before people wise up to these nutters, and this so called religion of peace.

You sad, dozy twat. This is exactly the response they're looking to generate.

Wise up, indeed.

Up yours you pc clown, fools like yourself and the media try to distance this type of attack from islam, but this radical lunatic would not have mowed down those pedestrians had the females been wearing hijabs and burkas, and the guys traditional islamic dress.
Sadiq Khan comes out with his by the book statement yesterday, but it wasn't long ago he stated that terrorist attacks are part and parcel of living in a big city and people should get used to it.

By your statement it seems you think people should not get pissed off and angry about this, what if it was your wife or kid that got run over, what would you say then?

Better tell that to all those Muslim families in Iraq, Syria, Afghan etc that are being killed, daily, by VBIEDs amongst other types of terror attacks.

morepork wrote:Fuck off Lucan you tedious, redundant cunt.

+1

Lucan you're a fuckwit mate. Go pray to your imaginary friend.

Apparently the whole of London was shut down yesterday, who knew?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... -down-city

Well, pretty much no-one in London knew, but it was on Fox news, so I'd guess that Trump knows it for a fact

QwentyJ wrote:Already it's a "False flag":

For a start it isn't 322, you fuckwit youtuber (not you QwentyJ) its 22/3.

How could one man and a car run over those people? Is he fucking for real. There have been false flags before, but this would be a fairly poor one.

Len wrote:

morepork wrote:Fuck off Lucan you tedious, redundant cunt.

+1

Lucan you're a fuckwit mate. Go pray to your imaginary friend.

I did warn about racist John a couple of weeks a go. He been kicked off from here for spouting his bile before

Which Tyler wrote:Apparently the whole of London was shut down yesterday, who knew?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... -down-city

Well, pretty much no-one in London knew, but it was on Fox news, so I'd guess that Trump knows it for a fact

Apparently, according to British news (BBC, guardian, indie), there was car driven at a crowd in Antwerpen.

Not the exact same as reported in Belgian news, which points to a speeding car trying to evade a police control with weapons.

Point is - foreign news is often misreported to suit the domestic news agenda.

Zhivago wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:Apparently the whole of London was shut down yesterday, who knew?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... -down-city

Well, pretty much no-one in London knew, but it was on Fox news, so I'd guess that Trump knows it for a fact

Apparently, according to British news (BBC, guardian, indie), there was car driven at a crowd in Antwerpen.

Not the exact same as reported in Belgian news, which points to a speeding car trying to evade a police control with weapons.

Point is - foreign news is often misreported to suit the domestic news agenda.

Or they rely on foreign reporters and make mistakes? Its wrong either way, Im just not so sure that every mistake is a deliberate one.

Lord Lucan wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote:
Up yours you pc clown, fools like yourself and the media try to distance this type of attack from islam, but this radical lunatic would not have mowed down those pedestrians had the females been wearing hijabs and burkas, and the guys traditional islamic dress.
Sadiq Khan comes out with his by the book statement yesterday, but it wasn't long ago he stated that terrorist attacks are part and parcel of living in a big city and people should get used to it.

By your statement it seems you think people should not get pissed off and angry about this, what if it was your wife or kid that got run over, what would you say then?

Better tell that to all those Muslim families in Iraq, Syria, Afghan etc that are being killed, daily, by VBIEDs amongst other types of terror attacks.

They kill each other as well, nothing new about that,

That was a rather quick about turn.

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:Apparently the whole of London was shut down yesterday, who knew?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/3 ... -down-city

Well, pretty much no-one in London knew, but it was on Fox news, so I'd guess that Trump knows it for a fact

Apparently, according to British news (BBC, guardian, indie), there was car driven at a crowd in Antwerpen.

Not the exact same as reported in Belgian news, which points to a speeding car trying to evade a police control with weapons.

Point is - foreign news is often misreported to suit the domestic news agenda.

Or they rely on foreign reporters and make mistakes? Its wrong either way, Im just not so sure that every mistake is a deliberate one.

Not always deliberate. But I expect high standards of our journalism. Especially when 'mistakes' can encourage xenophobic beliefs, or heighten tensions unnecessarily.

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:
Apparently, according to British news (BBC, guardian, indie), there was car driven at a crowd in Antwerpen.

Not the exact same as reported in Belgian news, which points to a speeding car trying to evade a police control with weapons.

Point is - foreign news is often misreported to suit the domestic news agenda.

Or they rely on foreign reporters and make mistakes? Its wrong either way, Im just not so sure that every mistake is a deliberate one.

Not always deliberate. But I expect high standards of our journalism. Especially when 'mistakes' can encourage xenophobic beliefs, or heighten tensions unnecessarily.

Agreed, although the 24 hour media cycle often undermines that.

OptimisticJock wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote: They kill each other as well, nothing new about that,

That was a rather quick about turn.

Must be Light Infantryman; then again he's enough of a cunt to be a Green Jacket.

Sandydragon wrote:

Zhivago wrote:

Sandydragon wrote: Or they rely on foreign reporters and make mistakes? Its wrong either way, Im just not so sure that every mistake is a deliberate one.

Not always deliberate. But I expect high standards of our journalism. Especially when 'mistakes' can encourage xenophobic beliefs, or heighten tensions unnecessarily.

Agreed, although the 24 hour media cycle often undermines that.

Agreed - I'd also sugest that these mistakes are a bit more understandable when the on-the-scene reporting is in a foreign language.
Which is'nt a problem for the USA reporting on London.

SerjeantWildgoose wrote:

OptimisticJock wrote:

Lord Lucan wrote: They kill each other as well, nothing new about that,

That was a rather quick about turn.

Must be Light Infantryman; then again he's enough of a cunt to be a Green Jacket.

Sounds like there's a story behind that.

Which Tyler wrote:

Stones of granite wrote:Bloody tough on the French, they seem to get it wherever they go.
It's early, but it sounds like the Police reacted about as efficiently as they could under the circumstances.

My​ French wife-ish was told by her boss that it was the kids' own fault, and if they don't like it they should have stayed in their own country.
Yes, he voted for Brexit, even though he's an immigrant himself (40-odd years, from India). He also thinks the Trump is great, and encourages Ali to vote for LePenn.

I can't even begin to understand wtf he was thinking/meaning; but he's not going to be her boss for much longer; though Ali still wants to give 2 weeks notice (I'd have walked out there and then personally)

Should have, and claimed constructive dismissal.

Stiff upper lip old boy, until the next time, what what.

"you know what's wonderful? That white people invent all this wonderful technology that's used to kill people from all around the world"

Lucan, you are posting racist nonsense vids by people promoting a racist agenda under the guise of being concerned about terrorism. Fuck you and fuck all small minded bigots like you.

So it turns out that the police think Masood acted alone but are unsure on what inspired him to act.

This comes after IS claimed responsibility for the attack.

What bothers me is why the press feel the need to broadcast that IS have claimed responsibility for the attack without offering any counter argument or other opinion.

I'm not surprised that IS claim responsibility for all these kind of attacks. They want the world to think they're this all powerful army with the ability to strike anywhere and anyhow. They want people to fear them even if they had nothing to do with the attack.

So instead of the press saying that IS have claimed responsibility, why don't they say that 'IS have claimed responsibility but as yet there is no evidence to suggest that this is the case'?

It all seems to be the same old narrative after each of these attacks.

I'm not sure if I'm making my point on this clearly or not, but does anyone get what I mean?

Another thing that bothers me is that everytime one of these attacks happens in the west, we're told that it is an attack on our democracy, but in reality, it's an attack on our policies.

It doesn't matter if it happens on a street in Nice or UK parliament, we're told it's an attack on democracy.

I don't get why the link between invading/bombing the crap out of countries and extremism isn't debated more?

Yup. Mentioning IS as much as humanly possible is not the right reaction. I think it sells though, sadly. I wish Hitchens was still around.

WaspInWales wrote: I don't get why the link between invading/bombing the crap out of countries and extremism isn't debated more?

I assume thats a rhetorical question? Its a bit like a Russian asking why RT doesn't question Vlad more, why Fox is partisan or why the North Korean Daily Telegraph hasn't investigated Kin Jong Un's psychopathic tendencies.

Perhaps racist John should have a look round this site https://muslimscondemn.com/ he might learn a thing or two. But you know the old saying "you can't educate pork"