terror attack in Westminster

[Which Tyler]

Apparently involving cars on pavements, knives and gunshots
Parliament in lockdown
Sounds like 4 dead so far, 1 copper and 1 attacker

BBC seem to think there were 2 attackers, Scotland Yard saying "1 confirmed"

[Adder]

Terrible News. Thoughts are with victims and their families. Hopefully its over now

I hear some French school children are also part of the victims.

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[Zhivago]

Such attacks seem impossible to prevent.

[Which Tyler]

With a little more information, sounds like a car mounted the pavement on Westminster Bridge, injuring pedestrians (including French school kids), killing 2, knocking one into the river, since rescued alive.
1 perp runs to Westminster Palace and stabs a copper; there may or may not be a 2nd perp too (BBC, the Met officially don't think so).
Then towards more cops who see him coming and shoot him 3 times.

4 dead, 20 wounded.


Sounds like the sort of rabid lone-wolf, which is impossible to prevent. May be terrorism, may be suicide-by-police.

Terror classification gives the cops extra powers to find out, and find out if he was acting alone or co-ordinated

[OptimisticJock]

Stand easy.

RIP the civvies.

And fair play to the Foreign Minister.

[Stones of granite]

Bloody tough on the French, they seem to get it wherever they go.
It's early, but it sounds like the Police reacted about as efficiently as they could under the circumstances.

[QwentyJ]

Already it's a "False flag":

[hugh_woatmeigh]

Apparently committed by Abu Izzadeen who was well known to the police. They are going to be crucified in the media in the weeks following this if true. He is a well known hate preacher.

[Which Tyler]

Bloody tough on the French, they seem to get it wherever they go.
It's early, but it sounds like the Police reacted about as efficiently as they could under the circumstances.

My​ French wife-ish was told by her boss that it was the kids' own fault, and if they don't like it they should have stayed in their own country.
Yes, he voted for Brexit, even though he's an immigrant himself (40-odd years, from India). He also thinks the Trump is great, and encourages Ali to vote for LePenn.

I can't even begin to understand wtf he was thinking/meaning; but he's not going to be her boss for much longer; though Ali still wants to give 2 weeks notice (I'd have walked out there and then personally)

[Sandydragon]

Apparently committed by Abu Izzadeen who was well known to the police. They are going to be crucified in the media in the weeks following this if true. He is a well known hate preacher.

Probably, even if they didn't have any actual evidence to proceed on.

As stated by others, lone wolf attacks are virtually impossible to attack, even when there is a police presence that can react quickly.

[J Dory]

Apparently committed by Abu Izzadeen who was well known to the police. They are going to be crucified in the media in the weeks following this if true. He is a well known hate preacher.

Probably, even if they didn't have any actual evidence to proceed on.

As stated by others, lone wolf attacks are virtually impossible to attack, even when there is a police presence that can react quickly.

Apparently now it's not Trev (aka Abu).

[Which Tyler]

Apparently committed by Abu Izzadeen who was well known to the police. They are going to be crucified in the media in the weeks following this if true. He is a well known hate preacher.

This seems to have been withdrawn now, since his brother phones C4 and pointed out that Abu Izzadeen is still sitting in a prison cell somewhere - as alibis go, it's a pretty good one.

[WaspInWales]

Already it's a "False flag":

FFS.

Facking YouTube!!!!!

[Digby]

Another sad day in our history, equal parts pathetic and disgusting. We'll have better days though, and if safety is a more akin to a police state I'll take our sometimes very sad status quo

[OptimisticJock]

Apparently committed by Abu Izzadeen who was well known to the police. They are going to be crucified in the media in the weeks following this if true. He is a well known hate preacher.

Probably, even if they didn't have any actual evidence to proceed on.

As stated by others, lone wolf attacks are virtually impossible to attack, even when there is a police presence that can react quickly.

They are made out to be cunts either way.

[Len]

Bloody tough on the French, they seem to get it wherever they go.
It's early, but it sounds like the Police reacted about as efficiently as they could under the circumstances.

My​ French wife-ish was told by her boss that it was the kids' own fault, and if they don't like it they should have stayed in their own country.
Yes, he voted for Brexit, even though he's an immigrant himself (40-odd years, from India). He also thinks the Trump is great, and encourages Ali to vote for LePenn.

I can't even begin to understand wtf he was thinking/meaning; but he's not going to be her boss for much longer; though Ali still wants to give 2 weeks notice (I'd have walked out there and then personally)

He needs a hiding.

[morepork]

You Tube, you bastard.

Someone should tell the genius behind that vid that only in "Murrica do they present the date, month/day/year. That's about as constructive as I can be about that shit.

[Len]

Really feel for all involved. That poor copper. Probably woke up this morning just the same as every other morning think fuck it another boring day. Won't see his family again. Tragic.

[Lord Lucan]

Another mad islamic muslim lunatic strikes again, mowing down innocent people and kids, how many more innocent people have to be mangled up and killed, before people wise up to these nutters, and this so called religion of peace.

[Donny osmond]

Another sad day in our history, equal parts pathetic and disgusting. We'll have better days though, and if safety is a more akin to a police state I'll take our sometimes very sad status quo

Don't know if I notice a slightly different reaction from previous attacks. Seems to be more "we'll get thru this together" as a first response rather than sadness and shock, which is obviously still​ there but somehow less so. I dont mean that in a negative way, in fact I think it's a fantastic way to respond. Probably just my perception of course.

So I would add 'ultimately uplifting' to your "pathetic and disgusting". I don't mean to be insensitive to the families and friends of those killed and injured, but the stories of bravery that come out of this tragedy seem to be the kind of stories that makes us all stronger, in the end.

[SerjeantWildgoose]

Bloody tough on the French, they seem to get it wherever they go.
It's early, but it sounds like the Police reacted about as efficiently as they could under the circumstances.

My​ French wife-ish was told by her boss that it was the kids' own fault, and if they don't like it they should have stayed in their own country.
Yes, he voted for Brexit, even though he's an immigrant himself (40-odd years, from India). He also thinks the Trump is great, and encourages Ali to vote for LePenn.

I can't even begin to understand wtf he was thinking/meaning; but he's not going to be her boss for much longer; though Ali still wants to give 2 weeks notice (I'd have walked out there and then personally)

WTF! Tel Ali not to give notice and not to walk out but to make a formal complaint and have this shyte flung out on his hoop!

[Mellsblue]

Another sad day in our history, equal parts pathetic and disgusting. We'll have better days though, and if safety is a more akin to a police state I'll take our sometimes very sad status quo

Don't know if I notice a slightly different reaction from previous attacks. Seems to be more "we'll get thru this together" as a first response rather than sadness and shock, which is obviously still​ there but somehow less so. I dont mean that in a negative way, in fact I think it's a fantastic way to respond. Probably just my perception of course.

So I would add 'ultimately uplifting' to your "pathetic and disgusting". I don't mean to be insensitive to the families and friends of those killed and injured, but the stories of bravery that come out of this tragedy seem to be the kind of stories that makes us all stronger, in the end.

The reaction does seem different this time. I think those in their teens and twenties are now used to these attacks, as older generations were used to them thanks to the IRA. To me, there certainly seems less hysteria on social media, not that I'm a prolific user.
In some ways this is a good thing. These morons want exposure and a reaction, and the less we give them the better. On the other hand, what a sad world we live in when these sort of things are almost expected and the reaction is 'it could've been a lot worse'.

[SerjeantWildgoose]

Another mad islamic muslim lunatic strikes again, mowing down innocent people and kids, how many more innocent people have to be mangled up and killed, before people wise up to these nutters, and this so called religion of peace.

You sad, dozy twat. This is exactly the response they're looking to generate.

Wise up, indeed.

[Which Tyler]

The reaction does seem different this time. I think those in their teens and twenties are now used to these attacks, as older generations were used to them thanks to the IRA. To me, there certainly seems less hysteria on social media, not that I'm a prolific user.
In some ways this is a good thing. These morons want exposure and a reaction, and the less we give them the better. On the other hand, what a sad world we live in when these sort of things are almost expected and the reaction is 'it could've been a lot worse'.

That is a really good point; there's also an element of this having pretty low casualty figures (5 is too high, but still, nothing like the others we've seen in the last couple of years) and the fact that we're talking about 1 lone nut-job with access to a car and a kitchen knife; so it's not as if there was detailed planning that could have been intercepted.
I've also not seen any reports of there being a self-acknowledged religious element to this; he doesn't appear to have shouted "Allah Ackbar" or had a car full of ISIL flags or anything like that. He could yet just be another Michael Ryan, Thomas Hamilton or Derrick Bird who's skin colour / religion is entirely incidental.

[Len]

Similar to school shootings in the states, I wonder if the media stopped reporting on these issues if the rate of them would drop. Why do it if you're not going to get the recognition?