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Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:41 pm
by Spiffy
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:47 pm
Margin_Walker wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:45 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:36 pm As expected. Henry Arundell!!! Finally! Now let’s just kick the crap out of it!!!
He's had the ball passed to him about four times in his test career to date.

Would be nice for him to at least double that at the weekend.
Passing is so last year!
So - passing is passe ?

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:43 pm
by Puja
Spiffy wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:41 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:47 pm
Margin_Walker wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 4:45 pm

He's had the ball passed to him about four times in his test career to date.

Would be nice for him to at least double that at the weekend.
Passing is so last year!
So - passing is passe ?
We'll give it a pass.

Puja

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:35 pm
by Which Tyler
JellyHead wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:35 pm Hoping for a 4 try bonus point win and a red card at 10.
Starting 10, not replacement (and why have a replacement 10 at all when you're staring 3 FHs?)

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:48 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Henry Arundell: 7 passes, 5 kick returns! So yes, more caps than passes! Of those 12 carries he has passed twice, beaten 6 defenders and averages over 11 metres a carry!

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:50 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Which Tyler wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:35 pm
JellyHead wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:35 pm Hoping for a 4 try bonus point win and a red card at 10.
Starting 10, not replacement (and why have a replacement 10 at all when you're staring 3 FHs?)
I strongly suspect we’ll see Ford(10), Farrell (12), Smith (15) at some point. Marchant to 13, Daly to 11 and Arundell taken off after failing to secure the first three kick and chases. The last bit more tongue in cheek, but I’d bet a fair chunk on the three fly halves in the backline.

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:03 pm
by Spiffy
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:50 pm
Which Tyler wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:35 pm
JellyHead wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 5:35 pm Hoping for a 4 try bonus point win and a red card at 10.
Starting 10, not replacement (and why have a replacement 10 at all when you're staring 3 FHs?)
I strongly suspect we’ll see Ford(10), Farrell (12), Smith (15) at some point. Marchant to 13, Daly to 11 and Arundell taken off after failing to secure the first three kick and chases. The last bit more tongue in cheek, but I’d bet a fair chunk on the three fly halves in the backline.
Hasn't Arundell played a fair bit at FB at U20 and club level? Certainly more than M.Smith anyway. This would have been a good game to give him a pretty soft/safe run at 15 with plenty of opportunity to get his hands on the ball.

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:39 pm
by Mikey Brown
I mean he is really a fullback. We’re just playing him on the wing because… we can then play other people out of position too?

Has he played a single game on the wing for Irish? I mean he’s barely even played for Irish, but still.

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:58 pm
by Margin_Walker
Mikey Brown wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:39 pm I mean he is really a fullback. We’re just playing him on the wing because… we can then play other people out of position too?

Has he played a single game on the wing for Irish? I mean he’s barely even played for Irish, but still.
No starts on the wing for LI. May have turned up there off the bench once or twice. The weekend will be his third start on the wing. All have been for England.

He did play on the wing a fair bit for the LI U18s tbf

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:03 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Spiffy wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:03 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:50 pm
Which Tyler wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:35 pm

Starting 10, not replacement (and why have a replacement 10 at all when you're staring 3 FHs?)
I strongly suspect we’ll see Ford(10), Farrell (12), Smith (15) at some point. Marchant to 13, Daly to 11 and Arundell taken off after failing to secure the first three kick and chases. The last bit more tongue in cheek, but I’d bet a fair chunk on the three fly halves in the backline.
Hasn't Arundell played a fair bit at FB at U20 and club level? Certainly more than M.Smith anyway. This would have been a good game to give him a pretty soft/safe run at 15 with plenty of opportunity to get his hands on the ball.
Yep! He’s a fullback who can play wing.

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:57 pm
by jngf
If Willis plays a blinder will he be in pole position at 7 for knock out stages? (touch Wood )

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:58 pm
by Danno
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:03 pm
Spiffy wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:03 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:50 pm

I strongly suspect we’ll see Ford(10), Farrell (12), Smith (15) at some point. Marchant to 13, Daly to 11 and Arundell taken off after failing to secure the first three kick and chases. The last bit more tongue in cheek, but I’d bet a fair chunk on the three fly halves in the backline.
Hasn't Arundell played a fair bit at FB at U20 and club level? Certainly more than M.Smith anyway. This would have been a good game to give him a pretty soft/safe run at 15 with plenty of opportunity to get his hands on the ball.
Yep! He’s a fullback who can play wing.
I'd say the fairest interpretation is fullback that has the as yet unseen potential to play wing at senior level

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:59 pm
by Danno
jngf wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:57 pm If Willis plays a blinder will he be in pole position at 7 for knock out stages? (touch Wood )
Smacks of letting some fringe* players get a game to me.

*Fringe in Sweet Binjuice's mind. Also try not to invoke Tom Wood.

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:06 pm
by Mikey Brown
Yep. Willis is quite clearly bottom of the pecking order for the backrow. Anyone could project themselves in the first XV in theory, but that’s not much of a statement really.

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:36 pm
by Beasties
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:03 pm
Spiffy wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:03 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 6:50 pm

I strongly suspect we’ll see Ford(10), Farrell (12), Smith (15) at some point. Marchant to 13, Daly to 11 and Arundell taken off after failing to secure the first three kick and chases. The last bit more tongue in cheek, but I’d bet a fair chunk on the three fly halves in the backline.
Hasn't Arundell played a fair bit at FB at U20 and club level? Certainly more than M.Smith anyway. This would have been a good game to give him a pretty soft/safe run at 15 with plenty of opportunity to get his hands on the ball.
Yep! He’s a fullback who can play wing.
Anthony Watson all over again.

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:39 pm
by jngf
Danno wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:59 pm
jngf wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:57 pm If Willis plays a blinder will he be in pole position at 7 for knock out stages? (touch Wood )
Smacks of letting some fringe* players get a game to me.

*Fringe in Sweet Binjuice's mind. Also try not to invoke Tom Wood.
If Dan Cole can get called out of retirement to play test rugby why not Mr Wood too? (in theory ;) )

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:48 pm
by Puja
Beasties wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:36 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:03 pm
Spiffy wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 9:03 pm Hasn't Arundell played a fair bit at FB at U20 and club level? Certainly more than M.Smith anyway. This would have been a good game to give him a pretty soft/safe run at 15 with plenty of opportunity to get his hands on the ball.
Yep! He’s a fullback who can play wing.
Anthony Watson all over again.
No, we said full-back.

Puja

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:10 am
by Beasties
Puja wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:48 pm
Beasties wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:36 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:03 pm

Yep! He’s a fullback who can play wing.
Anthony Watson all over again.
No, we said full-back.

Puja
Obv I was referring to the L Irish connection rather than the laughable idea of Watson ever being a FB.

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:36 am
by p/d
‘He’s a mentor, and he’s a great voice in terms of myself as well, to us and the coaching team…..’

Teacher’s pet we called that at school

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:56 am
by Oakboy
p/d wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:36 am ‘He’s a mentor, and he’s a great voice in terms of myself as well, to us and the coaching team…..’

Teacher’s pet we called that at school
Or, yes-man, brown lips, arse-licker . . . .

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:02 am
by p/d
Oakboy wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:56 am
p/d wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:36 am ‘He’s a mentor, and he’s a great voice in terms of myself as well, to us and the coaching team…..’

Teacher’s pet we called that at school
brown lips, arse-licker . . . .
Different school’s Dors, different school’s

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:51 am
by Banquo
jngf wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:57 pm If Willis plays a blinder will he be in pole position at 7 for knock out stages? (touch Wood )
why would playing a blinder v chile do that?

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:59 am
by p/d
Banquo wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 8:51 am
jngf wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:57 pm If Willis plays a blinder will he be in pole position at 7 for knock out stages? (touch Wood )
why would playing a blinder v chile do that?
if kicking out on the full, missing shots at goal and not nailing a drop goal v Chile cements your place for the knock out stages then anything is possible

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:09 am
by Puja
jngf wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:39 pm
Danno wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:59 pm
jngf wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:57 pm If Willis plays a blinder will he be in pole position at 7 for knock out stages? (touch Wood )
Smacks of letting some fringe* players get a game to me.

*Fringe in Sweet Binjuice's mind. Also try not to invoke Tom Wood.
If Dan Cole can get called out of retirement to play test rugby why not Mr Wood too? (in theory ;) )
Let's not tempt fate. We already know pundits occasionally scrape this site - that'll end up in Woodward next Daily Heil column.

Puja

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:16 am
by jngf
Puja wrote: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:09 am
jngf wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:39 pm
Danno wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:59 pm

Smacks of letting some fringe* players get a game to me.

*Fringe in Sweet Binjuice's mind. Also try not to invoke Tom Wood.
If Dan Cole can get called out of retirement to play test rugby why not Mr Wood too? (in theory ;) )
Let's not tempt fate. We already know pundits occasionally scrape this site - that'll end up in Woodward next Daily Heil column.

Puja
Stop press: Woodward recommends Ludlam and Curry as new dynamic lock pairing with Elliot Daly at No.8 :)

Re: England vs Chile

Posted: Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:52 am
by FKAS
jngf wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 11:39 pm
Danno wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:59 pm
jngf wrote: Thu Sep 21, 2023 10:57 pm If Willis plays a blinder will he be in pole position at 7 for knock out stages? (touch Wood )
Smacks of letting some fringe* players get a game to me.

*Fringe in Sweet Binjuice's mind. Also try not to invoke Tom Wood.
If Dan Cole can get called out of retirement to play test rugby why not Mr Wood too? (in theory ;) )
Between entertaining the squad with his impersonations and rolling back the years Vs Argentina he's doing better than expected.

Tom Wood could still be called up if Lawes gets injured, would give us that third lineout option at 6...