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Puja wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:"He wants to play with dolls so we have to call him a girl because boys don't play with dolls!!"

God forbid we can accept people for who they are. This kid wanted to be themselves but has been forced into a box by adults, apparently because he didnt fit in another adult defined box, and is in real danger of lifelong psychological issues, not to mention the physical health issues that are right around the corner, and the reaction is awww that's nice? The insanity of trans ideology in a nutshell.

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Or alternatively, "He said he was a girl and wanted to be a girl, but we have to call him a boy because I'm set in my ways and know everything."

God forbid that we can accept people for who they are.

Puja

morepork wrote:

Puja wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:"He wants to play with dolls so we have to call him a girl because boys don't play with dolls!!"

God forbid we can accept people for who they are. This kid wanted to be themselves but has been forced into a box by adults, apparently because he didnt fit in another adult defined box, and is in real danger of lifelong psychological issues, not to mention the physical health issues that are right around the corner, and the reaction is awww that's nice? The insanity of trans ideology in a nutshell.

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Or alternatively, "He said he was a girl and wanted to be a girl, but we have to call him a boy because I'm set in my ways and know everything."

God forbid that we can accept people for who they are.

Puja

You're a tiger for punishment Puja. I'll give you that.

Puja wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:"He wants to play with dolls so we have to call him a girl because boys don't play with dolls!!"

God forbid we can accept people for who they are. This kid wanted to be themselves but has been forced into a box by adults, apparently because he didnt fit in another adult defined box, and is in real danger of lifelong psychological issues, not to mention the physical health issues that are right around the corner, and the reaction is awww that's nice? The insanity of trans ideology in a nutshell.

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Or alternatively, "He said he was a girl and wanted to be a girl, but we have to call him a boy because I'm set in my ways and know everything."

God forbid that we can accept people for who they are.

Puja

Donny osmond wrote:

Puja wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:"He wants to play with dolls so we have to call him a girl because boys don't play with dolls!!"

God forbid we can accept people for who they are. This kid wanted to be themselves but has been forced into a box by adults, apparently because he didnt fit in another adult defined box, and is in real danger of lifelong psychological issues, not to mention the physical health issues that are right around the corner, and the reaction is awww that's nice? The insanity of trans ideology in a nutshell.

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Or alternatively, "He said he was a girl and wanted to be a girl, but we have to call him a boy because I'm set in my ways and know everything."

God forbid that we can accept people for who they are.

Puja

No you're right of course, we have to shoe horn him into a box labelled girl because we're so desperate to be wokebros that we can't simply let him be a boy who wears dresses and plays with dolls, no lets ignore reality and encourage him down a lifelong path of painful and intrusive medication rather than simply acknowledge he is what he is.

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Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:

Puja wrote:
Or alternatively, "He said he was a girl and wanted to be a girl, but we have to call him a boy because I'm set in my ways and know everything."

God forbid that we can accept people for who they are.

Puja

No you're right of course, we have to shoe horn him into a box labelled girl because we're so desperate to be wokebros that we can't simply let him be a boy who wears dresses and plays with dolls, no lets ignore reality and encourage him down a lifelong path of painful and intrusive medication rather than simply acknowledge he is what he is.

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It looks perfectly reasonable to me. According to the article the child wanted to be a girl, not a boy who wore dresses.

Why would a parent encourage a more extreme change in their child than necessary? If it happened to me, I would certainly find it easier to accept that my children were merely cross-dressers than that they wanted to actually change gender.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:
No you're right of course, we have to shoe horn him into a box labelled girl because we're so desperate to be wokebros that we can't simply let him be a boy who wears dresses and plays with dolls, no lets ignore reality and encourage him down a lifelong path of painful and intrusive medication rather than simply acknowledge he is what he is.

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It looks perfectly reasonable to me. According to the article the child wanted to be a girl, not a boy who wore dresses.

Why would a parent encourage a more extreme change in their child than necessary? If it happened to me, I would certainly find it easier to accept that my children were merely cross-dressers than that they wanted to actually change gender.

I spend too much of my working life seeing the horrific things that parents do to their children to still ask the question why. Sometimes they don't even mean to. Sometimes they just involve children in their adult conversations. Enough saying "men are terrible" and strangely junior doesn't want to be a man.

What's the worst that can happen? Well in this particular case a child can feel pressured into continue the path that their parent has taken them; will feel like the pride and positive reinforcement that their parent has given them will dissappear; will see that the by has made sure that there's a permanent record of a "decision" made when they were 3 by going to the papers.

Anyway if someone can tell me what the difference between a 4 year old boy and girl is, let alone explain how a 4 year old could hope to understand then articulate it, then my concern might be gone. In the meantime, have a read:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1175 ... 96672.html

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:

Son of Mathonwy wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:
No you're right of course, we have to shoe horn him into a box labelled girl because we're so desperate to be wokebros that we can't simply let him be a boy who wears dresses and plays with dolls, no lets ignore reality and encourage him down a lifelong path of painful and intrusive medication rather than simply acknowledge he is what he is.

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It looks perfectly reasonable to me. According to the article the child wanted to be a girl, not a boy who wore dresses.

Why would a parent encourage a more extreme change in their child than necessary? If it happened to me, I would certainly find it easier to accept that my children were merely cross-dressers than that they wanted to actually change gender.

I spend too much of my working life seeing the horrific things that parents do to their children to still ask the question why. Sometimes they don't even mean to. Sometimes they just involve children in their adult conversations. Enough saying "men are terrible" and strangely junior doesn't want to be a man.

What's the worst that can happen? Well in this particular case a child can feel pressured into continue the path that their parent has taken them; will feel like the pride and positive reinforcement that their parent has given them will dissappear; will see that the by has made sure that there's a permanent record of a "decision" made when they were 3 by going to the papers.

Anyway if someone can tell me what the difference between a 4 year old boy and girl is, let alone explain how a 4 year old could hope to understand then articulate it, then my concern might be gone. In the meantime, have a read:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1175 ... 96672.html

In most cases, the thing that is now called “gender identity” likely is simply an individual’s perception of how their own sex-related and environmentally influenced personality compares to same and opposite sexed people. Put another way, it’s a self-assessment of one’s stereotypical degree of “masculinity” or “femininity,” and it’s wrongly being conflated with biological sex. This conflation stems from a cultural failure to understand the broad distribution of personalities and preferences within sexes and the overlap between sexes.

When a girl reports that she “feels like a boy” or “is a boy,” that sentiment may reflect her perception of how her personality and preferences compare to the rest of her peers.

...

Historical data suggests that about 0.5% of children develop gender dysphoria—distress caused by a perceived incongruence between one’s biological sex and gender presentation. Reinforcing studies in the medical literature show that, as children get older, childhood-onset gender dysphoria resolves (i.e. ends) in most cases. As two authors put it in a 2016 International Review of Psychiatry article, “the conclusion from these studies is that childhood GD [gender dysphoria] is strongly associated with a lesbian, gay or bisexual outcome and that for the majority of the children (85.2%; 270 out of 317 [studied individuals]) the gender dysphoric feelings remitted around or after puberty.”

Donny osmond wrote:These are the references for that blog post:

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs ... ijop.12529

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/ful ... jopy.12500

Donny osmond wrote:No-one is born in the wrong body... authored by an endocrinologist from NYU and an evolutionary biologist from Penn State.

https://quillette

cashead wrote:

Donny osmond wrote:No-one is born in the wrong body... authored by an endocrinologist from NYU and an evolutionary biologist from Penn State.

https://quillette

And here's where I'd recommend people stop reading. Quillette? Really? Those chucklefucks? "Banning nazis is an attack on conservatism" Quillette?

Mikey Brown wrote:I understand how you could make the case some people are just misled by not adhering to gender stereotypes, rather than actually being born in the wrong body. But people stating this as if it applies to a majority of cases, let alone all of them, is just totally retarded.

Mikey Brown wrote:I’m not sure if you’re just desperate to find something or someone to disagree with, or you simply didn’t read that properly.

I never suggested any of it was “my call”.

I’m saying there may be cases where it’s more ‘I don’t feel I fit the societal expectations of gender x’ rather than ‘I want to live my life as gender y’. But finding specific scenarios on either end of the spectrum and rigidly applying it to all cases (“no-one is born in the wrong body”) is not going to help anybody. That’s not a contentious statement.

Mikey Brown wrote:I’m not sure if you’re just desperate to find something or someone to disagree with, or you simply didn’t read that properly.

I never suggested any of it was “my call”.

I’m saying there may be cases where it’s more ‘I don’t feel I fit the societal expectations of gender x’ rather than ‘I want to live my life as gender y’. But finding specific scenarios on either end of the spectrum and rigidly applying it to all cases (“no-one is born in the wrong body”) is not going to help anybody. That’s not a contentious statement.

Donny osmond wrote:The reason the guys who wrote that article are so adamant is because they perceive a certain lackadaisical approach to medicalising kids who are encouraged to believe they're in the wrong body. When an Oxford professor of Evidence Based Medicine says, about puberty blockers and gender affirming cross sex hormone, that the current evidence base does not support informed decision making and safe practice in children... it is perhaps understandable that medics on the front line of treatment would take a stand.



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cashead wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:I’m not sure if you’re just desperate to find something or someone to disagree with, or you simply didn’t read that properly.

I never suggested any of it was “my call”.

I’m saying there may be cases where it’s more ‘I don’t feel I fit the societal expectations of gender x’ rather than ‘I want to live my life as gender y’. But finding specific scenarios on either end of the spectrum and rigidly applying it to all cases (“no-one is born in the wrong body”) is not going to help anybody. That’s not a contentious statement.

Fair enough. It has been a long term.

Donny osmond wrote:The reason the guys who wrote that article are so adamant is because they perceive a certain lackadaisical approach to medicalising kids who are encouraged to believe they're in the wrong body. When an Oxford professor of Evidence Based Medicine says, about puberty blockers and gender affirming cross sex hormone, that the current evidence base does not support informed decision making and safe practice in children... it is perhaps understandable that medics on the front line of treatment would take a stand.



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Not their call to make (there, that's better). If you honestly think transitioning is something that's done on a whim, I've got some real estate to sell you. And I sure as sugar will not be taking anything published in a rag like Quillette without an ocean's worth of grains of salt.

Some chucklefuck without any knowledge of the individuals and their lived experiences does not get to make that decision for them; I don't care how many letters they have after their names.