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morepork wrote:

Coco wrote:

morepork wrote:Do inconclusive documents often cause you this level of anxiety? You do seem to be, you know, jumping to conclusions.

Are you charging me for this professional assessment or is it complimentary? I doubt I can afford your rates as I am a simple blue collar business owner... without a degree or fancy, important capital latters after my name.

Ever the victim.

Digby wrote:

Puja wrote:And 2) WHO THINKS GIVING A LOCAL REFEREE THE MANDATE TO CHECK PEOPLE'S GENDER IS A GOOD IDEA?! That's going to end up in someone demanding to look at genitalia and we all know it.

Why? Surely there are other things to consider if considering the gender of an individual? Whereas if you wanted to check someone's sex then looking at their genitalia would be of rather more relevance

Coco wrote:Genitalia no. Hormone levels yes. Checking for genitalia would be humiliating. Isnt a large part of the argument that genitalia does not conclude how the player identifies?

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:Btw, apparently the image shows a team which has the trans man with a beard and 2 transwomen. Now if a transwoman is a woman, can someone explain to me why a transman isn't a man? Because it looks horribly like male privilege asserting the right to be whatever it wants to be and to refuse to be denied access anywhere whilst saying fuck you to women.

Last February Minister Byrne said that transgender specific guidelines developed by the World Professional Association of Transgender Healthcare (WPATH) and supported by Transgender Equality Network Ireland (TENI) would provide the framework for the new services being developed by the HSE, which include nine new posts and the development of gender clinics.

However, Professor Donal O’Shea, a consultant endocrinologist at Saint Columcille’s Hospital and one of only two in the country who provides hormone treatment for trans people, told GCN: “We don’t intend to run the service in line with WPATH guidelines. Aligning with them would result in significant harm accruing to those with gender confusion.”

The WPATH guidelines are internationally accepted as best practice. Their current version was updated in 2017 and is used extensively when treating trans people. According to Vanessa Lacey of TENI the guidelines represent the organisation’s “bottom line, as they’re evidence-based” and “people-centred”.

Dr Paul Moran, a liaison psychiatrist who plays a central role in treating people at the Dublin clinic, says the WPATH guidelines “as they apply to assessment and treatment recommendation, are not part of our model of care, are clinically unsafe, and unsuitable for use in a public healthcare gender clinic.”

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:Btw, apparently the image shows a team which has the trans man with a beard and 2 transwomen. Now if a transwoman is a woman, can someone explain to me why a transman isn't a man? Because it looks horribly like male privilege asserting the right to be whatever it wants to be and to refuse to be denied access anywhere whilst saying fuck you to women.

Stom wrote:

Coco wrote:Genitalia no. Hormone levels yes. Checking for genitalia would be humiliating. Isnt a large part of the argument that genitalia does not conclude how the player identifies?

How's that possible at the amateur level?

Again, why all the fuss over what is a minuscule problem?

It's not going to happen in the Pro game because a testosterone level exists.

Stom wrote:

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:Btw, apparently the image shows a team which has the trans man with a beard and 2 transwomen. Now if a transwoman is a woman, can someone explain to me why a transman isn't a man? Because it looks horribly like male privilege asserting the right to be whatever it wants to be and to refuse to be denied access anywhere whilst saying fuck you to women.

As I understood it from briefly reading his story, he played with the women while he wasn't yet fully transitioned. The beard was a medical condition unrelated to his hormone levels.

Coco wrote:

Stom wrote:

Coco wrote:Genitalia no. Hormone levels yes. Checking for genitalia would be humiliating. Isnt a large part of the argument that genitalia does not conclude how the player identifies?

How's that possible at the amateur level?

Again, why all the fuss over what is a minuscule problem?

It's not going to happen in the Pro game because a testosterone level exists.

It isnt miniscule to athletes trying to get athletic scholarships and get scouted for bigger and better things. From what pool of amateur players do pro leagues observe and recruit from?

Coco wrote:

Stom wrote:

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:Btw, apparently the image shows a team which has the trans man with a beard and 2 transwomen. Now if a transwoman is a woman, can someone explain to me why a transman isn't a man? Because it looks horribly like male privilege asserting the right to be whatever it wants to be and to refuse to be denied access anywhere whilst saying fuck you to women.

As I understood it from briefly reading his story, he played with the women while he wasn't yet fully transitioned. The beard was a medical condition unrelated to his hormone levels.

The beard was a medical condition unrelated to hormones? Im curious to understand more about that interesting tidbit.

Stom wrote:

Coco wrote:

Stom wrote:
How's that possible at the amateur level?

Again, why all the fuss over what is a minuscule problem?

It's not going to happen in the Pro game because a testosterone level exists.

It isnt miniscule to athletes trying to get athletic scholarships and get scouted for bigger and better things. From what pool of amateur players do pro leagues observe and recruit from?

How does it impact their ability to get a scholarship or get scouted?

Stom wrote:

Coco wrote:

Stom wrote:
As I understood it from briefly reading his story, he played with the women while he wasn't yet fully transitioned. The beard was a medical condition unrelated to his hormone levels.

The beard was a medical condition unrelated to hormones? Im curious to understand more about that interesting tidbit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertrichosis

Stom wrote:

Coco wrote:

Stom wrote:
How's that possible at the amateur level?

Again, why all the fuss over what is a minuscule problem?

It's not going to happen in the Pro game because a testosterone level exists.

It isnt miniscule to athletes trying to get athletic scholarships and get scouted for bigger and better things. From what pool of amateur players do pro leagues observe and recruit from?

How does it impact their ability to get a scholarship or get scouted?

Stom wrote:Look, the article was about rugby.

I'm not going to get into the batshit crazy of American child sports. It's a world I cannot possibly believe is a positive thing.

If you want to find some more info about the hair growth, just read the article, or search for him yourself.

There's plenty of information.

There are testosterone tests in place. The case in your story would not happen in the UK. Could not happen. But at amateur level, why should you deny the right of anyone to play the game they want to play?

You cannot test them all...

And these are middle aged men and women, or social players. We don't do American style sports - no-one else except Russia and China do, ffs!

I'm out.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:I can see how you might have been confused coco, what with this being on the politics and stuff board rather than a rugby one

morepork wrote:I don’t smell no grits cookin...

Coco wrote:

morepork wrote:I don’t smell no grits cookin...

Tacos!!