Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:21 pm
I’m not getting carried away it’ll make a huge difference overall but Braverman getting canned is at least one thing to happy about. What a horrible fucking bitch.
And taking pot-shots at Truss on the way out. Excellent news all around. Appears to be no loyalty amongst IEA stooges.
Shapps very much like Hunt - might not be competent or morally good, but at least they're not possessed with a zeal for change.
Which Tyler wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:11 pm
If I'm reading this right (paraphrase, not quote, obviously)... "You MUST vote against your own manifesto pledge, or be fired - even if you're not in the country (unless you're called Boris, of course - we love you Boris)" All wrapped up in a lie that it's a confidence motion - pretty sure those are no confidence votes, not votes in opposition of their own manifesto.
Oh, and I am not Beth Rigby, nor related to Beth Rigby; Beth Rigby's opinions are (presumably) the opinions of Beth Rigby, and not necessarily shared by Which Tyler
It's the same tactic Boris used on the Brexit vote - self-declaring it a confidence issue where the punishment was stripping of the whip and expulsion from the party.
Big risk though - if they face a rebellion of 40 MPs, would they really expel all of them? Would they not then have no incentive not to vote with an actual confidence motion if they're already on their way out?
Puja
A dangerous game. For any back-bencher in an unsafe seat (there are quite a lot of them now) there may not be that much to lose. For red wall Tories it might be the time to defect to Labour or go looking for a job outside Parliament. Risking your majority just to save fracking! Incredible.
Looking forward to this.
Two minutes before the vote, they quietly murmured that it was not, in fact, a confidence vote, but no-one's quite sure whether they plan to stick with their original plans and expel the 30 or so that rebelled or if they're just going to pretend that it didn't happen.
Rumours of Tory MPs being physically shoved and barracked into the division chambers. Rumours that the whips have resigned. Rumours of everything. Utter fucking madness. Surely this cannot carry on.
This quote just sums up everything wrong with our current political system...
Ruth Edwards, the Conservative MP for Rushcliffe, did not say she would vote against the government, saying: “I don’t support fracking, but I am even less keen on the idea of letting the Labour party play at being in government for the day.”
Mellsblue wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:28 pm
How do you think it works in other countries? No party line, just vote however you want on any given bill?!?!!?
Isn't that the way our Parliament is designed to work though? We elect a representative who then represents our area's interests and votes according to those, rather than dogmatically sticking to party lines?
Which Tyler wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:34 pm
Bloody hell
Sadly it appears that Truss not voting was a glitch in the website - she's now down as voting No. Mind, some interesting old names in those who abstained. Boris Johnson, Nadine Dorries, Theresa May, Kwasi Kwarteng, Priti Patel, David Davies, fellow Britannia Unchained author Chris Skidmore. Be hilarious if they all got the boot.
36 abstainers. Not quite enough to tip the balance of power in Parliament, but a hell of a rebellion.
Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:27 pm
Lol. Wow.
I don't know if there was more of it, but yeah that was worth watching.
I'm not sure I'm so concerned about the finances of the poor innocent Tory MPs facing the prospect of golden adjustment payments followed by using their myriad contacts to find a high-paying job, luxuries which most of the people they've fucked over didn't have, but it's a powerful speech nonetheless.
Nadine Dorries has chipped in, telling him it's his own fault for having removed the election-winning powerhouse that is Boris Johnson. She really is incredible, isn't she?
It was so much easier to blame Them. It was bleakly depressing to think They were Us. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
The tribulations of both parties in recent times has shown clearly that when the membership is at odds with the parliamentary party, at some point reality starts kicking in and the parliamentary party wins over the members.
Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:27 pm
Lol. Wow.
I don't know if there was more of it, but yeah that was worth watching.
I'm not sure I'm so concerned about the finances of the poor innocent Tory MPs facing the prospect of golden adjustment payments followed by using their myriad contacts to find a high-paying job, luxuries which most of the people they've fucked over didn't have, but it's a powerful speech nonetheless.
Nadine Dorries has chipped in, telling him it's his own fault for having removed the election-winning powerhouse that is Boris Johnson. She really is incredible, isn't she?
Puja
That wasn't the key bit for me- though ironic given the discussion about how to get better MPs before.
Zhivago wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:41 am
The tribulations of both parties in recent times has shown clearly that when the membership is at odds with the parliamentary party, at some point reality starts kicking in and the parliamentary party wins over the members.
Donny osmond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:34 am
Is anyone else really enjoying this?
In abstract, but then you think about the mess that a lot of people are in and how can we get out of a really bad economic spiral- even competent govt would struggle, but we have this.
Donny osmond wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 5:34 am
Is anyone else really enjoying this?
In abstract, but then you think about the mess that a lot of people are in and how can we get out of a really bad economic spiral- even competent govt would struggle, but we have this.
Exactly the ambivalence that I'm having - part of me is finding this highly entertaining watching the Conservatives imminently facing consequences after 12 years of fucking the country and laughing at them digging their hole deeper, while another part of me is aware that they haven't finished being in charge yet and the hole they're digging it undermining everything in the country.
More playground than a playground..just the tip of the iceberg tbf.
They need a unifier - Hunt not standing.
Sunak not very popular but up for it, as is Mordaunt.
To be sorted in a week by MP's.
